Most accurate modern translation?

[Rockerduck]

What does that even mean? That God wasn't able to get a good translation made back then (1600's?)? That's sort of short changing God, isnt it?

I think you nay KJV people just done like the Shakesperian language.



Some of the other posts made me think about something else too. I had the Lord supernaturally change an NIV Bible that I had into a NKJV. That's a good testimony of mine and I have two witnesses that both can bear witness to that Bible was bought as a NIV bible. One witness bought it for me to match his translation so we could study on the phone when his wife wouldn't let him out, lol. And the other witness/friend walks in one day and says, NIV? Bad translation because it has many verses that are omitted out of it. And we bible studied for about an hour where he looked up verses in the NIV and when I compared to my KJV, they were missing! So there's more to the testimony but those two Brothers in Christ can verify and bear witness to what happened! They can verify it.

I never prayed about it before that, I never even thought about it if it was a "good" translation or not. God just did it.Then it was an NKJV and so I have to assume that this is the Lord's endorsement of the NKJV! (BibleGateway has that version too!

Which version of the NIV? 1984 or 2011?

 

[Peterlag]

Who is The" us"?.
Who is the "our image"

Us could be a bunch of spirit beings
Image seems to be spirit since that's the image of God. God is Spirit and He is Holy which is why He is often referred to as the Holy Spirit.

 

[Aunty Jane]

"""Internet yelling is a sign of desperation…you really can highlight portions of Scripture without looking like a fanatic….can you not discuss things rationally?"""

Uh no, all caps for emphasis.
But you also did it .
For emphasis?
Yelling at me?
Desperation?
I don't usually go there when I see the pot <> kettle hypocrisy. But it is usually a sign you are in desperation.
See how easy that is to shift the debate into your little personal attacks???

Wow….you really are blind in your hatred aren’t you? Do you know what the definition of a bigot is?

FYI….the large caps were in the scripture directly copied from the NASB online Bible. I wasn’t yelling at anyone. The Bible itself was yelling at you.

I also said that there is nothing wrong with highlighting points of scripture, but internet yelling is when you not only bolden the caps but also enlarge the print….

You should try listening for a change and then you won’t end up looking like a bigoted fanatic.

"""Again, read in Greek, it does not say what is translated into English. Look it up in an Interlinear and you will see the omission of the definite article even though it is there in plain sight…..
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, (ho theos) and the Word was God.(theos)”
It is saying that Jesus was “the Word” and that he was “with God”….so how can you be “with” someone and at the same time BE that someone? It is completely illogical.
Calling Jesus “theos” (god) but not “ho theos” (THE God) is declaring his “divinity” as “the son of God”, not his deity as God himself. He never once said he was God."""
It CLEARLY says GOD.

So an English translation, clearly in error, that says what you choose to believe, trumps the Greek in which it was originally written? That explains a lot about your Bible study methods….as well as the depth of your comprehension.

try and find an old watchtower bible.
It has "a God" incorrectly inserted. (" ... The word was a god".)Then in the footnotes they Quote A.T. Robinson as an authority on their erroneous heresy.
Robinson threatened a law suit to get his name out of there as it is the ultimate heresy.
Any Greek scholar will agree with it being error.

Any Greek scholar who is a trinitarian would balk, most likely…..but it alters nothing about why the original ”theos” without the definite article, is not “God” with a capital “G”….it is “a god”…”divine” or “godlike”.

The fact that the bulk of Christendom believes in this doctrine doesn’t make it true.
Find this three headed god in the OT and tell me what Scripture Jesus used in his ministry? What Scripture did the apostles often quote from? What was the “all Scripture is inspired of God” that they spoke about? (2 Tim 3:16-17) They were all Jews who believed the Shema….(Deut 6:4)

But that is the length your organization goes down to ,to mentally interpret the trinity.
Heresy is watchtowers banner.
It is founded and thrives in heresy.
None of you know who Jesus is.

I think we have a pretty good grasp on who Jesus is…..and he will let us all know soon enough who got it right…..did you never wonder why “few” are going to be found on the road to life? (Matt7:13-14) The “many” are traveling down the wrong road whilst hurling abuse at those traveling in the opposite direction. (John 15:18-21) It’s nothing new.

BTW, We are Jehovah’s Witnesses…..the Watchtower is a printing company, registered with the government as a legal entity for printing and distributing large quantities of free Bible literature….in case you didn’t get that memo….?

All watchtower has EVER proven, is that men, trying to mentally process The bible, will fail every time.
Every cult, including watchtower, stumbles at the person of Jesus.
As you are demonstrating.
Btw, you can never get clever enough to remove the deity scriptures a babe in Christ could easily accept.

Perhaps that’s the problem….we are not to stay “babes in Christ” but to “press on to maturity”….to study and to grow up.
If you really studied your Bible, (and it is very apparent that you don’t) you will discover a world of things that you push away because it disagrees with you own programming.
Is this the brainwashed calling others brainwashed? The heretics calling others heretics? Haven’t we seen this all before in the first century? Did it end well?

You see, from the Greek we get to understand that “theos” means….

1. “a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities…..
   
   • whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
     
     1. God's representative or viceregent
        
        1. of magistrates and judges” (Strongs)

So your protestations are meaningless when your own approved resources tell you the opposite of what you believe….with all those meanings…..they still insist that “theos“ means the trinity. There is no trinity in the Bible…it is an invention of the Catholic church.

You reject them and did not try to address all my verses.
It is futile. It says what it says.
You, nor your organization can deal with it.

I can address all of them, but with someone like yourself blinded by hatred and bigotry…..what is the point?….
You do you…I’ll let Jesus do the judging, because you can’t fool him, right?

 

[MA2444]

Which version of the NIV? 1984 or 2011?

I dont know which version it was, and I can't check it now!

 

[Jack]

Thanks Aunty. I have also been studying the Scriptures intently for 50 years, and I have learned both Greek and Hebrew - enough to have great respect for the modern translators.

I don't know of any Bible that doesn't insist that Jesus is God and Hell fire is "forever and ever". Even the JW bible!

 

[Rockerduck]

I dont know which version it was, and I can't check it now!

Thanks. I'm guessing it wasn't in 1984 when your bible was changed.

 

[MA2444]

Thanks. I'm guessing it wasn't in 1984 when your bible was changed.

Oh! Ok, it must have been a 2010 version then because this took place in 2011 or 2012? And my friend bought it brand new for me so that's probably it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Wow….you really are blind in your hatred aren’t you? Do you know what the definition of a bigot is?

FYI….the large caps were in the scripture directly copied from the NASB online Bible. I wasn’t yelling at anyone. The Bible itself was yelling at you.

I also said that there is nothing wrong with highlighting points of scripture, but internet yelling is when you not only bolden the caps but also enlarge the print….

You should try listening for a change and then you won’t end up looking like a bigoted fanatic.

So an English translation, clearly in error, that says what you choose to believe, trumps the Greek in which it was originally written? That explains a lot about your Bible study methods….as well as the depth of your comprehension.

Any Greek scholar who is a trinitarian would balk, most likely…..but it alters nothing about why the original ”theos” without the definite article, is not “God” with a capital “G”….it is “a god”…”divine” or “godlike”.

The fact that the bulk of Christendom believes in this doctrine doesn’t make it true.
Find this three headed god in the OT and tell me what Scripture Jesus used in his ministry? What Scripture did the apostles often quote from? What was the “all Scripture is inspired of God” that they spoke about? (2 Tim 3:16-17) They were all Jews who believed the Shema….(Deut 6:4)

I think we have a pretty good grasp on who Jesus is…..and he will let us all know soon enough who got it right…..did you never wonder why “few” are going to be found on the road to life? (Matt7:13-14) The “many” are traveling down the wrong road whilst hurling abuse at those traveling in the opposite direction. (John 15:18-21) It’s nothing new.

BTW, We are Jehovah’s Witnesses…..the Watchtower is a printing company, registered with the government as a legal entity for printing and distributing large quantities of free Bible literature….in case you didn’t get that memo….?

Perhaps that’s the problem….we are not to stay “babes in Christ” but to “press on to maturity”….to study and to grow up.
If you really studied your Bible, (and it is very apparent that you don’t) you will discover a world of things that you push away because it disagrees with you own programming.
Is this the brainwashed calling others brainwashed? The heretics calling others heretics? Haven’t we seen this all before in the first century? Did it end well?

You see, from the Greek we get to understand that “theos” means….

1. “a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities…..
   
   • whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
     
     1. God's representative or viceregent
        
        1. of magistrates and judges” (Strongs)

So your protestations are meaningless when your own approved resources tell you the opposite of what you believe….with all those meanings…..they still insist that “theos“ means the trinity. There is no trinity in the Bible…it is an invention of the Catholic church.


You do you…I’ll let Jesus do the judging, because you can’t fool him, right?

The personal attacks by you are some indication of your hidden rage.
( see how easy that is to ascribe wildly as you seem to have mastered?)

Quote
"""FYI….the large caps were in the scripture directly copied from the NASB online Bible. I wasn’t yelling at anyone. The Bible itself was yelling at you.

I also said that there is nothing wrong with highlighting points of scripture, but internet yelling is when you not only bolden the caps but also enlarge the print…."""
Even after I told you I golden and caps for emphasis, you choose to blindly proceed with wild false accusations.
That cult you are in puts on fake niceties, but when challenged your mean spirited side shows manifest.

You call me blind and bigoted.
Just mean spirited attacks due to you being forced to go against the bible.
I totally understand your frustration, as watchtower has been corrected over and over to no avail.
It must be hard being on a Christian site and attacking the pillars if the faith.
Why are you here.
You are 100% heretic.
As the bible proves.
Your comrade said God Co created the earth and everything with "spirit beings"
"..Let us create..."
Watchtower has no answer.
None.
Just REFRAME it and pervert Gods word.
You are here for that reason...to pervert Gods Holy Word

SAD

 

[Grailhunter]

Trinity discussion is banned here.

And that is somewhere between nutz, stupid, and satanic, because it serves Satan......
A Christian forum that serves Satan, does that make any sense?

 

[Rockerduck]

I do not like any translation that purposely changes the meaning of words and not use translations of the Greek or Hebrew. Sure, interpolations can be inserted, but not change the gender intended. Do not change Father to parent just because of what you think the "world" wants that. Translations are becoming worldly instead of Godly.

there, I said it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Wow….you really are blind in your hatred aren’t you? Do you know what the definition of a bigot is?

FYI….the large caps were in the scripture directly copied from the NASB online Bible. I wasn’t yelling at anyone. The Bible itself was yelling at you.

I also said that there is nothing wrong with highlighting points of scripture, but internet yelling is when you not only bolden the caps but also enlarge the print….

You should try listening for a change and then you won’t end up looking like a bigoted fanatic.

So an English translation, clearly in error, that says what you choose to believe, trumps the Greek in which it was originally written? That explains a lot about your Bible study methods….as well as the depth of your comprehension.

Any Greek scholar who is a trinitarian would balk, most likely…..but it alters nothing about why the original ”theos” without the definite article, is not “God” with a capital “G”….it is “a god”…”divine” or “godlike”.

The fact that the bulk of Christendom believes in this doctrine doesn’t make it true.
Find this three headed god in the OT and tell me what Scripture Jesus used in his ministry? What Scripture did the apostles often quote from? What was the “all Scripture is inspired of God” that they spoke about? (2 Tim 3:16-17) They were all Jews who believed the Shema….(Deut 6:4)

I think we have a pretty good grasp on who Jesus is…..and he will let us all know soon enough who got it right…..did you never wonder why “few” are going to be found on the road to life? (Matt7:13-14) The “many” are traveling down the wrong road whilst hurling abuse at those traveling in the opposite direction. (John 15:18-21) It’s nothing new.

BTW, We are Jehovah’s Witnesses…..the Watchtower is a printing company, registered with the government as a legal entity for printing and distributing large quantities of free Bible literature….in case you didn’t get that memo….?

Perhaps that’s the problem….we are not to stay “babes in Christ” but to “press on to maturity”….to study and to grow up.
If you really studied your Bible, (and it is very apparent that you don’t) you will discover a world of things that you push away because it disagrees with you own programming.
Is this the brainwashed calling others brainwashed? The heretics calling others heretics? Haven’t we seen this all before in the first century? Did it end well?

You see, from the Greek we get to understand that “theos” means….

1. “a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities…..
   
   • whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
     
     1. God's representative or viceregent
        
        1. of magistrates and judges” (Strongs)

So your protestations are meaningless when your own approved resources tell you the opposite of what you believe….with all those meanings…..they still insist that “theos“ means the trinity. There is no trinity in the Bible…it is an invention of the Catholic church.


I can address all of them, but with someone like yourself blinded by hatred and bigotry…..what is the point?….
You do you…I’ll let Jesus do the judging, because you can’t fool him, right?

Romans 9:5,6
Have the Father as theos.
You know, now you have God the Father as some subordinate "god"
Jesus.... theos
The Father ...theos

 

[rebuilder 454]

And that is somewhere between nutz, stupid, and satanic, because it serves Satan......
A Christian forum that serves Satan, does that make any sense?

I agree
Omission is a incubator for cults.
The main pillar of the faith is the deity of Jesus.
Emasculate that pillar and you are left with works religion.
The entire foundation is kicked out from under the believer.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Us could be a bunch of spirit beings
Image seems to be spirit since that's the image of God. God is Spirit and He is Holy which is why He is often referred to as the Holy Spirit.

So God who existed before ANYTHING, used uncreated beings to create themselves?????
Watchtower impasse big time.
What clever solution do your superiors have to REFRAME that fact?

 

[Peterlag]

So God who existed before ANYTHING, used uncreated beings to create themselves?????
Watchtower impasse big time.
What clever solution do your superiors have to REFRAME that fact?

You see stuff that's not there. Stuff you say I said that I never did. God is not alone in heaven. He has all kinds of spirit beings He can talk with. Many are all kinds of angel like creatures that may not even leave their location. Some that might just jump for joy and sing as the brilliant @keithr has taught me. Why is it you only believe that the only creature God could have possibly been taking with was Jesus?

 

[Aunty Jane]

The personal attacks by you are some indication of your hidden rage.
( see how easy that is to ascribe wildly as you seem to have mastered?)

Quote
"""FYI….the large caps were in the scripture directly copied from the NASB online Bible. I wasn’t yelling at anyone. The Bible itself was yelling at you.

I also said that there is nothing wrong with highlighting points of scripture, but internet yelling is when you not only bolden the caps but also enlarge the print…."""
Even after I told you I golden and caps for emphasis, you choose to blindly proceed with wild false accusations.
That cult you are in puts on fake niceties, but when challenged your mean spirited side shows manifest.

You call me blind and bigoted.
Just mean spirited attacks due to you being forced to go against the bible.
I totally understand your frustration, as watchtower has been corrected over and over to no avail.
It must be hard being on a Christian site and attacking the pillars if the faith.
Why are you here.
You are 100% heretic.
As the bible proves.
Your comrade said God Co created the earth and everything with "spirit beings"
"..Let us create..."
Watchtower has no answer.
None.
Just REFRAME it and pervert Gods word.
You are here for that reason...to pervert Gods Holy Word

I’ll just leave this here for the readers to see who has the blind hatred, not couched in any kind of fake nicety. You are a hater and you cannot see past that to actually produce sound evidence for your beliefs.

You are clearly out of your depth in these conversations and it shows in your own frustration as you have not countered a thing that is said to you with any intelligent response. There is no comeback except in insults….you cannot debate anything without resorting to name calling which is a clear indication of defeat…ranting does not replace mature discussion.

SAD

You said it.

 

[Jack]

I’ll just leave this here for the readers to see who has the blind hatred, not couched in any kind of fake nicety. You are a hater and you cannot see past that to actually produce sound evidence for your beliefs.

Why do you keep violating forum rules?

You are clearly out of your depth in these conversations and it shows in your own frustration as you have not countered a thing that is said to you with any intelligent response. There is no comeback except in insults….you cannot debate anything without resorting to name calling which is a clear indication of defeat…ranting does not replace mature discussion.

You said it.

Flaming and goading are against forum rules!

 

[rebuilder 454]

You see stuff that's not there. Stuff you say I said that I never did. God is not alone in heaven. He has all kinds of spirit beings He can talk with. Many are all kinds of angel like creatures that may not even leave their location. Some that might just jump for joy and sing as the brilliant @keithr has taught me. Why is it you only believe that the only creature God could have possibly been taking with was Jesus?

If He created all things , who was with him to create the first being?
Watchtower impasse

 

[rebuilder 454]

I’ll just leave this here for the readers to see who has the blind hatred, not couch.ed in any kind of fake nicety. You are a hater and you cannot see past that to actually produce sound evidence for your beliefs.

You are clearly out of your depth in these conversations and it shows in your own frustration as you have not countered a thing that is said to you with any intelligent response. There is no comeback except in insults….you cannot debate anything without resorting to name calling which is a clear indication of defeat…ranting does not replace mature discussion.

You said it.

Your mean spirited spew is noted.
Even when called out and challenged you can only reply with canned watchtower notes.

Robots giving the same answers as taught by watchtower heretics.
You can not debate anything without personal insults.
I do understand you are taught that strategy.
All of you go postal when pressed, but it stands to reason since perverting Gods word leads to other dry places as well.
You are clearly out of your League here, as your tactics are totally off topic .
Blind hatred watchtower religious spirit.
No comebacks without insults.
SAD.

 

[rebuilder 454]

You see stuff that's not there. Stuff you say I said that I never did. God is not alone in heaven. He has all kinds of spirit beings He can talk with. Many are all kinds of angel like creatures that may not even leave their location. Some that might just jump for joy and sing as the brilliant @keithr has taught me. Why is it you only believe that the only creature God could have possibly been taking with was Jesus?

We will note you never addressed the creation issue.
Surely your superiors are disappointed.
But maybe I have once again pointed out that your perverting of Gods word leads to a blatant impasse every time

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Us could be a bunch of spirit beings
Image seems to be spirit since that's the image of God. God is Spirit and He is Holy which is why He is often referred to as the Holy Spirit.

And God said, LET US

Spirit beings?

The Holy Spirit is a person of the godhead. Not one of his names.