Most important daily prayer!
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You’re focusing on Judaism but it appears to me that you also don’t, or may not, consider Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism to be religions. Is that correct?
But religions nevertheless.
Why does Judaism fall into the category of “not a religion” while the others (Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism) fall into the category of “false religions” in your thinking?
In other words, why do you not consider Judaism to (also) be a false religion?
Vain repetitions indeed not, but the keynote in that for me is the "vain"!
Jesus speaking to his Father asking that the cup be removed did so 3 times, but it was certainly not in vain!
Mt 26:36 Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.
Mt 26:37 And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.
Mt 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
Mt 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Mt 26:40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
Mt 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Mt 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
Mt 26:43 And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.
Mt 26:44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.
Mt 26:45 Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
no it is part of a once valid covenant
But that covenant involved much more than a gathering of men reading scripture with their faces covered
Even if we disagree with what another person believes or where another person is at in his walk with [or without] God, what words should be coming out of our mouths to that person?
There certainly is a time to speak and also a time to remain silent according to what Solomon was inspired to write 3,000 years ago. Jesus understood this and did at the proper times remain silent. He knew when to open his mouth and what to say... always!
Do we? When we are led by the Holy Spirit most certainly... but how often do people speak from the ways of their flesh even when quoting the Bible?
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A valid covenant of the God of Israel is true religion.
Yes. Judaism had a problem when the Temple was destroyed. It had to adapt to its circumstance. (It wasn’t the first time that it happened in their history.)
Synagogues existed in the 1st century. Jesus attended them, worshipped his God in them, read scripture in them and taught in them.
His God is the God of Israel.
How long is "for ever"?
"And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever." Exodus 12:14
"Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever." Exodus 21:6
"In the tabernacle of the congregation without the veil, which is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall order it from evening to morning before the LORD: it shall be a statute for ever unto their generations on the behalf of the children of Israel." Exodus 27:21
Of course, those are only a few examples of the many usages of "for ever" in the OT!
Judaism says that it is. Christianity says that it isn’t.
As Christians, we are not under the Mosaic covenant. We are under the new covenant, which has been established by the Messiah’s shed blood.
Having rejected Jesus as the promised Messiah, Judaism has not come under the new covenant. It is still under the Mosaic covenant, which is passing away.
The Mosaic covenant is a guardian. It kept Israel until the Messiah came.
Life is in the blood. The life of the new covenant is in the blood of Christ.
that’s right cos there is no mediator of the old covenant
what do you think of the successors of Moses?
Matt 23
Moses was the mediator of the old covenant. The Messiah is the mediator of the new covenant.
Both covenants required the shedding of blood.
How far back do you want to go?
What do you think of Joshua?
He was critical of them. Nevertheless, what did he tell people to do (Matthew 23:3)?
do you agree that they were the successors of Moses?
They had kingdom authority
The keys to close heaven
The power to bind and loose?
You identified them as the successors of Moses. They placed themselves in the seat of Moses. Jesus told the people to do what they said, not to do what they did.
He claimed, and had, greater authority than they did.
He wanted them to repent. They wanted him dead.
The truth, in love.
Yes. I think of it as a matter of balance, with wisdom (or the lacking thereof) tipping the scales.
I see in Christ the wisdom of God.
His followers should be like him; Christlike.
Speaking only for myself, not often but still too often. I occasionally examine myself by looking back at posts I’ve made. I see good moments but I also see moments that now make me cringe. I see success and I see failure. I see growth and attribute it to the spirit of Christ in me.
I’ve been occupied with other things since I first read your post this morning but I wanted you to know that my mind keeps returning to what you wrote, and to thank you. You’ve done me, and I think your readers, a good service.
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