MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

[Davidpt]

Six HUNDRED three score and six .
MEANING SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY SIX . some of us learned english . Went to library and examined
the beginning of our own langauge and throughout the old , middle , early modern and modern .
IT MEANS SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY SIX .
And the name of the beast ADDS UP to that . that is the number of his name .

1 Kings 10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

This can't be a coincidence. There has to be a connection here in some way. The connection appears to be connected with wealth. And look what we have these days, numerous wealthy elites that want all power to belong to them.

I don't possess the wisdom, nor am I going to pretend I do, in order to know the answers. But even so, it still seems to me someone is trying to tell us something here, and that maybe 1 Kings 10 holds some of the clues?

 

[IndianaRob]

Are you NOT going to tell me your definition of dispensationalism is?
I can't say yes or no if you don't tell me what you say it means.

The passage only says you can't buy or sell, it doesn't say what it is you can't buy or sell. It's vague, which gives room for whatever presupposition a reader brings to it and mine included. I lean toward "all times" because nothing in the text restricts it to one future window (I know you don't agree) and you lean toward tech because it fits the framework of an antichrist figure, a rebuilt temple, and a treaty with Israel etc.

 

[Davidpt]

The passage only says you can't buy or sell, it doesn't say what it is you can't buy or sell. It's vague, which gives room for whatever presupposition a reader brings to it and mine included. I lean toward "all times" because nothing in the text restricts it to one future window (I know you don't agree) and you lean toward tech because it fits the framework of an antichrist figure, a rebuilt temple, and a treaty with Israel etc.

It's not logical to connect that to all times. Simply because, when John saw these visions he indicated that the beast ascends out of the pit in the future. sometime post his day and time. And logic and common sense says that there can't be this MOTB to begin with, unless the beast has ascended out of the pit, and a 2nd one out of the earth, and the 2nd one then fulfills everything recorded in Rev 13 concerning it.

Not to mention, what about Rev 16:2? That verse is nonsensical if we apply that to all times. It requires everyone this first vial is poured out upon, they have to be living in the same era of time and all of them have to be alive at the same time. Vial 1, as for the remaining vials, only get poured out one time each. And not multiple times spread across thousand of years.

If you don't care to be logical about things, then don't be. But don't expect me to accept any of your theories as possibilities if there is zero logic to any of them.

 

[IndianaRob]

It's not logical to connect that to all times. Simply because, when John saw these visions he indicate that the beast ascends out of the pit in the future. sometime post his day and time. And that there can't be this MOTB unless the beast has ascended out of the pit, and a 2nd one out of the earth, and the 2nd one fulfills everything recorded in Rev 13 concerning it.

Not to mention, what about Rev 16:2? That verse is nonsensical if we apply that to all times. It requires everyone this first vial is poured out upon, they have to be living in the same era of time and all of them have to be alive at the same time. Vial 1, as the remaining vials, only get poured out one time each. And not multiple times spread across thousand of years.

If you don't care to be logical about things, then don't be. But don't expect me to accept any of your theories as possibilities if there is zero logic to any of them.

I think my view is completely logical, of course, just as you do yours. The last thing in the sequence of events in Revelation is Heavenly Jerusalem coming down from heaven.

I am assume you're waiting for that to happen int the future but I see it as already accomplished at the cross, since that's where the old covenant/earthly Jerusalem order was ended and the new one started.