Mother Teresa

[GodsGrace]

Good morning GodsGrace,
My understanding is that those who have been saved, will not themselves be judged for their sin but their works, will be burned up like hay and stubble and the person will be found to be a vessel of dishonor if not done in the Spirit of Christ. I'm sure you will get others to maybe make this clearer...I'm not too clear o it myself!
Have a blessed day,
-nancy

I believe you're referring to 1 Corinthians 3:11-15.
Will reply after lunch...

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

We find verses in the N.T. that could support OSAS and that could support loss of salvation. I've based my decision on what most mainline churches believe, which would be what their theologians believe and I do think they know a lot more than I do.

Also, it seems to make sense to me. OSAS can be a dangerous concept for new Christians. I know that most do change their lives and do as Jesus said,,,but what about the ones that don't because they feel their sins (a sinful life, not individual sins) are covered? Are they in danger of losing their salvation because they don't obey God? God has always demanded obedience. Not obedience because we're under the law. Our unrighteous works do not save us since we don't have a relationship with God. But obedience because it's obedience of faith. Our faith in Jesus makes us want to do good works or deeds.
Romans 1:5
Romans 16:26

As to these vessels you keep talking about, I am going to study up on this. I'm familiar with the vessels spoken of in Romans 9, but I have a feeling you mean something different.

Yes. 2 Timothy 2:18-21 is different application from those vessels as Jews in Romans 9th chapter.

OSAS is true but not every one will receive the first inheritance, the vessel unto honor in His House.

The vessels unto dishonor where dishonor comes from are those that did not depart from iniquity with His help before teh Bridegroom has come. Thus the call given to even former believers to depart from iniquity.

So all the warnings that you see as loss of salvation is really about loss of that first inheritance as no one living in sin will inherit the kingdom of God; that celestial inheritance of being a vessel unto honor in His House.

The vessels unto dishonor are those of the terrestrial inheritance; an earthly inheritance when God's kingdom comes down to earth for that millennium reign. God will have to perform a miracle for them to get past their loss of that first inheritance because there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, but by wiping the tears from the eyes of those coming out of the great tribulation, He will help them get over that loss.

So that is how OSAS is true and how and why not every saved believer will inherit that kingdom of God in being like the angels that never die and never marry, hence the vessels unto honor in His House.

We can only run that race as saved believers by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us lay aside every weight & sin, and so the high prize of our calling is not for salvation but to be received by the Bridegroom as a vessel unto honor in His House.

 

[Triumph1300]

Could you explain that again, but make it simple.

 

[Helen]

I've based my decision on what most mainline churches believe, which would be what their theologians believe and I do think they know a lot more than I do.

Really? That is sad...Jesus gave you the Holy Spirit.

 

[Triumph1300]

Really? That is sad...Jesus gave you the Holy Spirit.
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A pentecostal?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

You'r crazy to accuse GodsGrace of that.
You need to apologize or buzz off.
It's uncalled for.
Get your act together.

Fact is that most people nowadays are Socialist do you know that Triumpth1300 and I said a "type", do you understand what a type is, I am not calling anyone a Nazi, but all Socialist are a type of do you understand that dear boy. they dictate and all Socialist are of Satan, because they lead others astray from God.
Do you know what Satan does, he is the one who leads the whole world astray, that's what his game is. that's what Hitler's Game was, just because one does not fathom the total workings in depth, well what can I do if they do not understand such.

All the years of my children going to RCC schools from grade one to 12, I came across Socialist indoctrination that was rampant and the true Catholic teaching were watered down and they did not like one pointing such out and I was not sorry for saying such because it was the truth and they could not handle the truth because the truth was not in them and they did not even like that my nipper was the dux and exceed all others by so far on so many subjects, toped religious education as well, the Satanic Priest walked out in a huff just before the award was handed out, not to mention they held the award back to the next year just in spite.
Yes a Catholic school controlled by a Satanist principal who was not even a Christian in the last 2 years and a childish ego driven Satanic Priest who did not like to be questioned in them last 2 years, Both dedicated Socialist twats that had total spac attacks when their incompetence was pointed out.
Talk to me about how corrupt Socialist truly are dear boy, they are all deranged wind bags trying to trample the Grace of God under foot.

All people who look up to Political Correctness are under Satan power, the Nazis and Communist use Political Correctness as a tool to control the people by attempting to try undermine and destroying freedom of speech. such is in play nowadays full on, but the masses are to stupid to grasp what this truly is. fact is they do not understand what Nazi truly were at all, they are total ignorant because they have only been indoctrinated, not educated in depth and it's the same of Communism. not to mention they are the same when it comes to understanding anything about Jews, it's as if they are all off with the pixies and have no idea what they are talking about, because they don't really truly care.
You know what Socialist do ? they are like you cry baby's who want it all their own way and try to stand over people like a brat, not to mention try to tell lies about who Jesus truly is. they think or claim they are the Kingdom and start by shoving people around and all.

I am not calling dear godsgrace on this forum an Nazi at all, you Triumph1300 played the devil on that call.
I know how Satan rolls Triumph130 I deal with cunning little pricks like that everyday in my job as they playing there stupid little games of trying to undermining others, crying foul setting others up to be kicked out of their job, but it's mainly due to their incompetence and inferiority complexes that they play such nonsense. fact is they are just like 5yearolds and not a man amongst them, but just cry baby's.

 

[Triumph1300]

To refresh your mind, this is what you said:

You sound like a Socialist Nazi type to me

I'm not commenting on the rest of the garbage you posted.

 

[Nancy]

I believe you're referring to 1 Corinthians 3:11-15.
Will reply after lunch...

Yes, that's the one. I thought I posted that passage, hmmm. I remember looking it up

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Would be much better if they were cold: Rev.3 15-16 "I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 16‘So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth."

Yes but I was referring to one who has Faith, we all start off with some faith but hope that faith will grow. The Parable of the Sower points this out and I once had faith like most Christians, I could of fallen like say 90% that I went to church bible study with as a child.

That point you make has to do with God Vomiting such out, due to because they are lukewarm, fickle, not solid in the Lord.
Lukewarm are in love with the worldly things to much so they are in trapped easy with nonsense like Socialism mans works and history proves that such is an enslavement and destructive.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

To refresh your mind, this is what you said:



I'm not commenting on the rest of the garbage you posted.

Because you can't and never have had the guts to.

 

[Triumph1300]

It's not a matter of guts.
It's smart not to get into a discussion with you because all it does is drag people down.
This was my last post to you.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

It's not a matter of guts.
It's smart not to get into a discussion with you because all it does is drag people down.
This was my last post to you.

And that I lift God up ! I presume is your problem.
Is it a Sin to try lift people up out of their slumber or leave them to there demise.

Hey I went for a ride on Sunday on the Husaberg it was a bit rugged for 2 others who wanted to come along, I would of had to wait about and put up with their winging but next time when it's an easy ride I think they may come along.
I enjoyed what I did and how I did it, no regrets.

 

[aspen]

Reggie - you wouldn’t know what socialism was if it bit you in the......

You just lump everything you hate into buzz words like ‘nazi’, ‘socialism’, ‘satanism’.....

Words actually have meaning.....a dictionary might help you.

 

[GodsGrace]

It's not a matter of guts.
It's smart not to get into a discussion with you because all it does is drag people down.
This was my last post to you.

Agreed. Some know how to edify and be civil even when disagreeing, and some just don't. There's no reason to speak with those who have no civility. It just "drags everyone down" as you've said.

I do wish we could all act like Christians should.

 

[GodsGrace]

Good morning GodsGrace,
My understanding is that those who have been saved, will not themselves be judged for their sin but their works, will be burned up like hay and stubble and the person will be found to be a vessel of dishonor if not done in the Spirit of Christ. I'm sure you will get others to maybe make this clearer...I'm not too clear o it myself!
Have a blessed day,
-nancy

Hi Nancy,
Wasn't good yesterday, sorry for delay but I didn't forget!

What I was talking about really is not judgement but the works we do here in this life.

This is how I understand it to be:

First of all, one must be saved and believe in God. If someone does not, then no amount of good works can save him because he doesn't believe in his creator. One must come to believe in God, first.

After they believe and are saved as in Ephesians 2:8, THEN come the good works one does because he wishes to obey Jesus. This would be as in Ephesians 2:10 and many other verses, as I'm sure you know.

I do believe works are an integral part of being saved -- some disagree with this since today there's something called "faith only". I don't find faith only in the bible. Jesus taught us to be a certain way and to do good works/deeds if we are to be His followers. Followers do as their master teaches them.

If one does not do as he should...is he still saved? Is a disobedient Christian saved no matter what? This I don't know. But I do know this: If one ABANDONS God and leaves His Kingdom here on earth, then he is certainly lost again - as he was before being born again. If one has to believe in God and have faith to be saved, then if one no longer believes in God and no longer has faith, how could he possibly still be saved? There are many verses for this, I could supply them if you want. Here are two:
Romans 11:22
1 Corinthians 9:27

As to 1 Corinthians 3:11-15, which you did confirm are the verses you meant,
there is some debate as to what they are referring to. To me, they have nothing to do with salvation or loss thereof.
Read it again...Is it referring to those who TEACH the word of God and THEIR work? Or is it referring to our work??

 

[GodsGrace]

Really? That is sad...Jesus gave you the Holy Spirit.
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Helen,
I find that the bible explains itself very well. You do have to read it many times though.

There are some things that cannot be gleaned from just reading the bible...some theology has to be learned. There's nothing wrong with this. I didn't used to understand when someone said "God chose us" because, silly me, OF COURSE God chooses EVERYBODY that wants to be chosen. NO, no. They meant something else and without study I never would have known what they meant.

So don't be feeling sorry for me. The Holy Spirit is still present, even when you're sitting in a classroom.

I must say, it's been rather comforting that I attended two churches that taught the same concepts about Christianity. AND, I did read through and must agree with what I've been taught.

 

[Willie T]

Helen,
I find that the bible explains itself very well. You do have to read it many times though.

There are some things that cannot be gleaned from just reading the bible...some theology has to be learned. There's nothing wrong with this. I didn't used to understand when someone said "God chose us" because, silly me, OF COURSE God chooses EVERYBODY that wants to be chosen. NO, no. They meant something else and without study I never would have known what they meant.

So don't be feeling sorry for me. The Holy Spirit is still present, even when you're sitting in a classroom.

I must say, it's been rather comforting that I attended two churches that taught the same concepts about Christianity. AND, I did read through and must agree with what I've been taught.

It is the fact that believing in Calvinism like that states that God also chooses to damn some... it could be you, but you blissfully go through life thinking you were chosen for Heaven. You cannot know because that belief is just a roll of the dice.

 

[GodsGrace]

It is the fact that believing in Calvinism like that states that God also chooses to damn some... it could be you, but you blissfully go through life thinking you were chosen for Heaven. You cannot know because that belief is just a roll of the dice.

Yes. And now I've learned about something called "The dreaded false hope".
I could look for the part of the institutes where Calvin speaks to this if you want.
Basically, it says that God makes some THINK they are saved but then take salvation away because they don't APPRECIATE it. !!

It just gets worse and worse. The more I learn about it, the worse it is.
How mean is this god they serve???

P.S. Institutes of John Calvin 3.24.8 comes to mind...it might be there.

 

[Willie T]

Maybe I am misunderstanding. I thought you have been saying you believe in that stuff? I don't deny Calvin came to all those conclusions... I just think the Bible says otherwise. After all, I think we all know that anyone can "prove" just about anything by selecting the appropriate verses. Some have even used the very same verse/s to prove opposite things. It is the ENTIRE Bible we need to draw our conclusions from.

 

[GodsGrace]

Maybe I am misunderstanding. I thought you have been saying you believe in that stuff? I don't deny Calvin came to all those conclusions... I just think the Bible says otherwise. After all, I think we all know that anyone can "prove" just about anything by selecting the appropriate verses. Some have even used the very same verse/s to prove opposite things. It is the ENTIRE Bible we need to draw our conclusions from.

Oh my goodness. You thought I was a calvinist??
I won't say anything else, I might go off on a wild tangent!
I DO NOT believe anything calvin taught.
I believe Calvin didn't understand the nature of God and his theories change it.
GOD IS LOVE!

I believe calvinists pay heed to Calvin more than to the bible.
They're all concerned with Augustine and Pelagius instead of Jesus.
They talk about Arminians too much.
Shall I go on?

No. I believe WHOEVER wants to be saved, CAN BE SAVED.
God reveals Himself to everyone, then it's up to US to choose Him.

Of course, they'll say that this is putting man first...
How we could ever step in front of God, I don't know, but whatever....