much too much ado

[twinc]

about Jn 3 where it goes unnoticed or commented upon that verse 3 says "cannot see" whilst verse 5 says "cannot enter" - twinc

 

[twinc]

about Jn 3 where it goes unnoticed or commented upon that verse 3 says "cannot see" whilst verse 5 says "cannot enter" - twinc

so here we have what is not easily or readily realised, grasped or accepted that non Christians like Nicodemus must actually be born again as Christians via water and Spirit or they cannot enter the kingdom - not just by water or just Spirit but water and Spirit - this would apply to the thief on the cross and all the Apostles etc imho - twinc

 

[twinc]

so here we have what is not easily or readily realised, grasped or accepted that non Christians like Nicodemus must actually be born again as Christians via water and Spirit or they cannot enter the kingdom - not just by water or just Spirit but water and Spirit - this would apply to the thief on the cross and all the Apostles etc imho - twinc

it is good to see that this has brought nonsense to a juddering halt - twinc

 

[amadeus]

it is good to see that this has brought nonsense to a juddering halt - twinc

Are you saying, twinc, that you have now done that which Jesus could not so He wept?

 

[twinc]

Are you saying, twinc, that you have now done that which Jesus could not so He wept?

here we go adding nonsense to nonsense - for what is impossible for men is possible for Jesus as God - hopefully those who come just to mock and sneer and jeer will even at this late stage stay on to pray - twinc

 

[amadeus]

here we go adding nonsense to nonsense - for what is impossible for men is possible for Jesus as God - hopefully those who come just to mock and sneer and jeer will even at this late stage stay on to pray - twinc

I did not come to mock, twinc. What I asked was not nonsense to me but what you said was to me. We have a clear lack of communication. Jesus always spoke in parables so therein I would guess lies the answer for someone.

 

[Truth]

so here we have what is not easily or readily realised, grasped or accepted that non Christians like Nicodemus must actually be born again as Christians via water and Spirit or they cannot enter the kingdom - not just by water or just Spirit but water and Spirit - this would apply to the thief on the cross and all the Apostles etc imho - twinc

Good point, At the time that Jesus said to the Thief, today you will be with me in Paradise, the complete sacrifice was not FINISHED!!!! Which He will declare shortly after, IT IS FINISHED!! What would prompt our Savior to make this statement before the Sacrifice was complete??
He hasn't Risen, into His Immortal body yet, which I Presume that He has yet to be the High Priest, until His Resurrection, and considering the Fact that God Had Forsaken Him just prior to Him giving up the Ghost, Would God have Granted this Promise, many way's to look at it! kinda get's the gray matter churning. Thank's

 

[twinc]

Good point, At the time that Jesus said to the Thief, today you will be with me in Paradise, the complete sacrifice was not FINISHED!!!! Which He will declare shortly after, IT IS FINISHED!! What would prompt our Savior to make this statement before the Sacrifice was complete??
He hasn't Risen, into His Immortal body yet, which I Presume that He has yet to be the High Priest, until His Resurrection, and considering the Fact that God Had Forsaken Him just prior to Him giving up the Ghost, Would God have Granted this Promise, many way's to look at it! kinda get's the gray matter churning. Thank's

Good point, At the time that Jesus said to the Thief, today you will be with me in Paradise, the complete sacrifice was not FINISHED!!!! Which He will declare shortly after, IT IS FINISHED!! What would prompt our Savior to make this statement before the Sacrifice was complete??
He hasn't Risen, into His Immortal body yet, which I Presume that He has yet to be the High Priest, until His Resurrection, and considering the Fact that God Had Forsaken Him just prior to Him giving up the Ghost, Would God have Granted this Promise, many way's to look at it! kinda get's the gray matter churning. Thank's

it is good that you are prepared to get the gray matter churning unlike, most others who have just blindly accepted what they have misinterpreted that Paradise is heaven when it is not - it is just somewhere very nice to stay before being born again as a Christian imho - twinc