Must a Christian Work to Keep Themself Sinless in Order to Keep Their Salvation?
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Paul's instructions for Church teaching are given in terms of "wives." Is your wife a woman or not?
For the sake of consistency call me Jack. As for your reply, i find it wanting. Yes my wife is a woman (hence the term *wife*) my point is that, You dont seem to convey any rational thought when you post here, you haven't responded to the versuses in question, and you keep wanting to use gender try and silence uncomfortable truths. Well you have a man's attention and i think your back is against a wall and you dont have a sound argument so you type nonsensical arguments to try and redirect the conversation to gender issues so you wont have to debate the subject at hand.
Yes, I agree you are interested only in your own thoughts, and can speak of little else.
There is a reason demographic groups have commonality and give themselves predictability.
Jack: I think you need serious professional help. I dont say this as an insult, but you really do seem to struggle distinguishing reality from whatever is going on in your head. Your replies really seem like you want to say something but cant seem to break through the delusion back into reality. I truly sympathize, but this is only something you can figure out with a specialist. I wish you the best, but since its clear you dont currently have the capacity to keep the conversion on track then i think its time to end this.
Yes, proud people are in their places because of poor communication skills. They can only blame others, rather than taking healthy responsibility.
Is your reality in personal pride? In dignity?
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IF "perfectly keeping the Law" is required, Then "CHRIST Died In Vain."
I believe you do not know enough about "these people" nor their theology, since that is NOT what they believe. Kindly do some serious study before making such comments.
Getting back to the title of your thread, Christians do not "maintain" their salvation. However, they do "work out" their salvation. Big difference. As to sinless perfection, that will only become a reality when the saints are perfected and glorified at the Resurrection/Rapture.
A man working out their salvation, is a man who is first gifted with being Converted, OF, THROUGH, and BY the Works of God.
Then going forward the man is PREPARED to do his own works OF making his Natural CARNAL MIND, subjected TO the LORDS WORD in the mans reborn spirit in his new heart.
A good thing for you to learn, practice and do.
A better thing is to not assume you can willfully conform to what only God's Spirit can do. The washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit is not by making, learning, practicing, or willfully doing. It is only by His mercy and one's submission.
Humility and brokeness is the first step, not the loud words of some professional church talker. God does not save big mouthed talkers until they are broken by Him.
A man born of God, can not sin.
You appear confused.
Sin is "STANDING" Against God.
* Disbelief IN God.
* Fostering Disbelief IN God.
* A man born of God, already Testified with his own word to God, to Stand WITH God.
* A man born of God, already Agreed by his Confession to Stand WITH God.
* A man born of God, already Agreed to Accept Gods POWER/SPIRIT/WORKS with-IN the man, to be KEPT FOREVER "STANDING" WITH GOD...."BY" Gods Power/Spirit/Works, with-IN the man.
A man is EITHER....
WITHIN God (standing without sin)
or AGAINST God (standing with sin)
Matt 12 (the Lord says)
[30] He that is not with me is against me...
1 John 3:9 (the Word of God says)
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 4: (God IN a man is supreme power)
[4] Ye are of God little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
Your worldly preaching ...is moot.
BECAUSE your worldly preaching about men born of God IS superseded BY Gods Power IN a man born of God.
Glory to God,
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Paul himself says he has to subjugate his flesh daily, lest after preaching salvation to others, he end up a castaway.
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring itinto subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a CASTAWAY.
The word castaway is also ADOKIMOS in the Greek - reprobate - castaway and rejected by God.
G96 (Strong)
ἀδόκιμος
adokimos
ad-ok'-ee-mos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1384; unapproved, that is, rejected; by implication worthless(literally or morally): - castaway, rejected, reprobate.
Total KJV occurrences: 8
Paul said he could end up a reprobate if he didn’t subjugate his flesh with its sinful desires, daily.
Albert Barnes exegetes the verse:
“The simple idea of Paul is, that he was afraid that he should be disapproved, rejected, cast off; that it would appear, after all, that he had no religion, and would then be cast away as unfit to enter into heaven”.
John Wesley also exegetes 1 Corinthians 9:27:
This single text may give us a just notion of the scriptural doctrine of election and reprobation; and clearly shows us, that particular persons are not in holy writ represented as elected absolutely and unconditionally to eternal life, or predestinated absolutely and unconditionally to eternal death; but that believers in general are elected to enjoy the Christian privileges on earth; which if they abuse, those very elect persons will become reprobate. St. Paul was certainly an elect person, if ever there was one; and yet he declares it was possible he himself might become a reprobate. Nay, he actually would have become such, if he had not thus kept his body under, even though he had been so long an elect person, a Christian, and an apostle.
Paul never taught unconditional eternal security - in fact he taught the opposite.
Paul said he could end up a reprobate if he didn’t subjugate his flesh with its sinful desires, daily.
And he also wrote many conditional statements about continuing in the faith to remain in Christ, one of which follows:
Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in yourmind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled,and benot moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, andwhich was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Albert Barnes commentary exegetes the above passage:
If ye continue in the faith - In the belief of the gospel, and in holy living. If this were done, they would be presented unblameable be fore God;if not, they would not be.The meaning is, that it will be impossible to be saved unless we continue to lead lives becoming the gospel.
The many conditional statements Paul made are ignored by Calvinists and the OSAS camp, because they are fatal to their doctrinal scenario of unconditional eternal security.
You corrupt and twist what one says.
No one is saying THEY DO the Conforming.
Complete Opposite, as I have said, The Lord God Himself Does the Works IN a man.
Scripture itself reveals the man submits BY, THROUGH, OF the mans own word of CONFESSION....
to Be Changed BY, THROUGH, OF Gods Works.
Speaking of "big mouths".
If one closes their mouth, and opens their ears, they may actually HEAR, what one "IS" saying, instead of "pretending" themselves qualified to twist the persons words into a lie.
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