Must a Christian Work to Keep Themself Sinless in Order to Keep Their Salvation?

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Jared42

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A man born of God, can not sin.

You appear confused.
Sin is "STANDING" Against God.
* Disbelief IN God.
* Fostering Disbelief IN God.

* A man born of God, already Testified with his own word to God, to Stand WITH God.
* A man born of God, already Agreed by his Confession to Stand WITH God.
* A man born of God, already Agreed to Accept Gods POWER/SPIRIT/WORKS with-IN the man, to be KEPT FOREVER "STANDING" WITH GOD...."BY" Gods Power/Spirit/Works, with-IN the man.

A man is EITHER....
WITHIN God (standing without sin)
or AGAINST God (standing with sin)

Matt 12 (the Lord says)
[30] He that is not with me is against me...

1 John 3:9 (the Word of God says)
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 4: (God IN a man is supreme power)
[4] Ye are of God little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Your worldly preaching ...is moot.
BECAUSE your worldly preaching about men born of God IS superseded BY Gods Power IN a man born of God.

Glory to God,
Taken
Thanks for displaying so much. Calvinism easily falls upon its own:

1.) Lack of hope from the God of Hope to a world desperate for hope.
2.) Nonstop tortuous wrenching of Scripture to make it appear exhaustively exegeted. Endless volumes for 400 years.
3.) No act or demonstration of charity unto non adherents, such as to Brother Servitus in the flames.
4.) No assurrance of eternal life in any heart or mind.
5.) Denial of the imminency of Christ's return.
6.) Big mouthed cherry picking of Scripture.
7.) Arrogance upon the lost.
8.) Denial of #686 ava/"haply" in Acts 17:27.
9.) If election is certain, there is no need for hope.
10.) 1 John 2:2, "He is the propitiation for our son's: and not for our son's only, but for the sins of the whole world."

This is far from complete. You can still come to Christ on His terms.

Regards.
 

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A man born of God, can not sin.

You appear confused.
Sin is "STANDING" Against God.
* Disbelief IN God.
* Fostering Disbelief IN God.

* A man born of God, already Testified with his own word to God, to Stand WITH God.
* A man born of God, already Agreed by his Confession to Stand WITH God.
* A man born of God, already Agreed to Accept Gods POWER/SPIRIT/WORKS with-IN the man, to be KEPT FOREVER "STANDING" WITH GOD...."BY" Gods Power/Spirit/Works, with-IN the man.

A man is EITHER....
WITHIN God (standing without sin)
or AGAINST God (standing with sin)

Matt 12 (the Lord says)
[30] He that is not with me is against me...

1 John 3:9 (the Word of God says)
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 4: (God IN a man is supreme power)
[4] Ye are of God little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Your worldly preaching ...is moot.
BECAUSE your worldly preaching about men born of God IS superseded BY Gods Power IN a man born of God.

Glory to God,
Taken
No Scripture defines sin as "STANDING" Against God. Try another phrase.

Now, can you say you are born of God?
 

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Thanks for displaying so much. Calvinism easily falls upon its own:

1.) Lack of hope from the God of Hope to a world desperate for hope.
2.) Nonstop tortuous wrenching of Scripture to make it appear exhaustively exegeted. Endless volumes for 400 years.
3.) No act or demonstration of charity unto non adherents, such as to Brother Servitus in the flames.
4.) No assurrance of eternal life in any heart or mind.
5.) Denial of the imminency of Christ's return.
6.) Big mouthed cherry picking of Scripture.
7.) Arrogance upon the lost.
8.) Denial of #686 ava/"haply" in Acts 17:27.
9.) If election is certain, there is no need for hope.
10.) 1 John 2:2, "He is the propitiation for our son's: and not for our son's only, but for the sins of the whole world."

This is far from complete. You can still come to Christ on His terms.

Regards.

Sticking to facts, is not in your bag of tricks.

* I Never mentioned Calvinism.
* Your list of your words, your thoughts, reveals your standing.
* I clearly revealed my words and My Standing is IN Christ.

* I am perfectly content with MY STANDING IN CHRST.
* I am not impressed or in agreement with YOUR WORDS, YOUR STANDING...of denial, lack of hope, no assurance, arrogance....
blah, blah, blah. (Far from complete)

Your words are yours...you eat them...:eek:
 

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No Scripture defines sin as "STANDING" Against God. Try another phrase.

LOL...
Perhaps an Adult Bible is too difficult for you to reason the facts.

Online and Religious Book stores carry toddler bibles.

Now, can you say you are born of God?

NOW can I say I am born of God?
LOL...
Open your ears man...it's already been said!
 

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LOL...
Perhaps an Adult Bible is too difficult for you to reason the facts.

Online and Religious Book stores carry toddler bibles.



NOW can I say I am born of God?
LOL...
Open your ears man...it's already been said!
I see you agree "STANDING" in sin against God is not in the Bible. Well done.

As a man born of God, do you ever sin? Yesterday? No? Today? Maybe?

If you do sin, does Jesus forgive you upon confession? I still think you are a Calvinist.
 

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Must a Christian Work to Keep Themself Sinless in Order to Keep Their Salvation?

No. The only work that is done is the work of God through that person in the person willingly seeking for God - and God is an rewarder of those who seek Him.

Their life will change (New spiritual life walking by faith) if they seek after God ~ but it is truly the work of God through them that is making the change in allowance of having relationship and being renewed in their mind and being born again from above being a child of God.
 
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I see you agree "STANDING" in sin against God is not in the Bible. Well done.

Your words are not my words.

As a man born of God, do you ever sin? Yesterday? No? Today? Maybe?

Since Gods Works of Conversion IN ME...
I can not sin.

If you do sin,

I can not.

does Jesus forgive you upon confession?

Before the Works of Gods Conversion...
The Lord Heard my Confession and Forgave my Sins.

Odd you do have not Learned the Lords Order and Way.

I still think you are a Calvinist.

Seems you need a Q-tip.
Your thoughts have zero effect upon me.
 

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Must a Christian Work to Keep Themself Sinless in Order to Keep Their Salvation?

No. The only work that is done is the work of God through that person in the person willingly seeking for God - and God is an rewarder of those who seek Him.

Their life will change (New spiritual life walking by faith) if they seek after God ~ but it is truly the work of God through them that is making the change in allowance of having relationship and being renewed in their mind and being born again from above being a child of God.
Please tell me exactly how you personally seek God.
Yes, doing so must include:

1.) Consistently and prayerfully read and study His Word in Scripture.
2.) Faithfully attend to prayer upon all matters.
3.) Engage in truthful worship and fellowship with other Believers.
4.) Daily bear one's Cross with humility.
5.) Trust God for provision and for guidance upon all endeavors.
6.) Be ready to share one's faith and testimony of Christ's work.
7.) Endeavor to obey the Commands of Christ with a full heart of love and service unto Him.
8.) Give of one's self, time, and resources to neighbors, fellow Saints, and personal Family.
9.) Pursue the fruits of the Spirit within all interpersonal undertakings.
10.) Utilize the First Commandment as a basis for all of life's pursuits and assessments.
11.) Continually read the Book of Proverbs.
12.) Continually expect the glorious return of Jesus.
13.) Submit and care for one's body as the Temple of the Holy Spirit.
14.) Be temperate upon all things.
15.) Lovingly forgive all trespasses.

What else is there?

16.) Fasting.
17.) A Wilderness Experience.
18.) Forming and nurturing a loving and holy family in service to God.
19.) Reaching out to those in need.
20.) Praying for our Nation and its Leaders.
21.) Endure Persecution and Tribulation.
22.) Redeem the time during these last days.
23.) Continually sow the Word into hearts we meet.

What have you found about God and His heart amidst all of this beyond what Scripture discloses?
 

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Your words are not my words.



Since Gods Works of Conversion IN ME...
I can not sin.



I can not.



Before the Works of Gods Conversion...
The Lord Heard my Confession and Forgave my Sins.

Odd you do have not Learned the Lords Order and Way.



Seems you need a Q-tip.
Your thoughts have zero effect upon me.
Are you being affrontive and sarcastic here?
 

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You seek God by choice friend. Worshiping God in spirit and truth, as Jesus said. That is a presentable list but simple praying, and having faith is really all there is to it. Some people can not read the Bible, they have gotten to old and their eyes can’t see very much anymore, or there are some who can’t read because they just can not read plainly. So some must hear the word of God to be encouraged by it.
 

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Yes, there’s work to be done.


Luke 13
23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,

24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
 

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It would be best to look for answers than to focus upon endless questions which are easily answered by the Milk of Gospel.

"Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will he saved." Within Salvation is no guarantee of Discipleship.
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33
 

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You seek God by choice friend. Worshiping God in spirit and truth, as Jesus said. That is a presentable list but simple praying, and having faith is really all there is to it. Some people can not read the Bible, they have gotten to old and their eyes can’t see very much anymore, or there are some who can’t read because they just can not read plainly. So some must hear the word of God to be encouraged by it.
There are many who live a life of churchy sounding aphorisms, ever learning, ever telling others what to believe, but have no power or victory they can demonstrate.
 

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There is only one person who had the victory that is the Lord Jesus Christ. It is dependent on people if they make the choice to answer the call and accept and receive the Lord or not into their lives. People will make choices with their faith. Some people have faith yet they can be very mean to other people who have the same faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

There are people who are babes in Christ and immature. There are also those who have grown up and matured in faith and continue to walk in faith and to love God and others.

No judgment here from me other than it’s a factual truth that there are people out there that can be mean and hateful… sometimes I fall into my own flesh and can be mean and hateful though try to stay focused on heavenly ways.

Living by the spirit and having love, walking in faith.
 

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I still think you are a Calvinist.
We all have our opinions, don't we? Some useful, some not. Some accurate, appropriate, and some not. Some not fit to be shared. Which ones are?

We have opinions of our perceptions of others, and speak lofty things.

Much love!
 

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There is only one person who had the victory that is the Lord Jesus Christ. It is dependent on people if they make the choice to answer the call and accept and receive the Lord or not into their lives. People will make choices with their faith. Some people have faith yet they can be very mean to other people who have the same faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

There are people who are babes in Christ and immature. There are also those who have grown up and matured in faith and continue to walk in faith and to love God and others.

No judgment here from me other than it’s a factual truth that there are people out there that can be mean and hateful… sometimes I fall into my own flesh and can be mean and hateful though try to stay focused on heavenly ways.

Living by the spirit and having love, walking in faith.
Tell us how you have matured in the faith. Share that portion of your testimony.
 

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No thank you. Have a testimony here though;


And many more videos on teaching and looking into different subjects if you are interested.
 

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No thank you. Have a testimony here though;


And many more videos on teaching and looking into different subjects if you are interested.
Typical for a pewsitter, spiritual sounding state ends are made here from you which have no basis in reality.

"No thank you." Lol.
 

MatthewG

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If you watch that video you’ll learn much about everything I believe. Personally haven’t been to church in a year or so. I choose not to go. Thought about visiting some of the churches and have been in and out of church’s all my life.

Haven’t watched since posting it sitting here now am still of the same belief of when posting it.