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The death by crucifixion and the resurrection of Christ can be found in the scriptures of the old testament prophets, but not the full meaning of it.
Isaiah speaks of Christ's death................[Isa 53:5 KJV] 5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed............this was only for Israel's sins

[Heb 9:15 KJV] 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews above says Christ died to redeem Isarel's sins committed under the first testament

[Mat 26:28 KJV] 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Jesus said the remission of sins was for the many not ALL

[1Ti 4:10 KJV] 10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Paul reveals Jesus is saviour for ALL not just the many which was only Israel

[1Ti 2:6 KJV] 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Again a ransom for ALL.........it was not testified until Paul


What a bunch of false information Doug, God will not leave you unpunished on the Day on judgment day, I have warned you repeatedly and have in the past given you scripture that Jesus and the 11 knew about his death and resurection before Paul did.

In the New King James Version, Jesus repeatedly tells His disciples about His impending death and its purpose for the sins of humanity, though their understanding is often limited. He begins to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, suffer many things from the elders, chief priests, and scribes, be killed, and be raised the third day (Matthew 16:21). Peter rebukes Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!” but Jesus responds, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men” (Matthew 16:22-23), showing the disciples’ awareness. Later, Jesus takes the twelve aside, saying, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death, and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again” (Matthew 20:18-19).

In Galilee, Jesus teaches, “The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day,” but the disciples did not understand this saying and were afraid to ask Him (Mark 9:31-32). Similarly, He says, “The Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day,” followed by a call to take up their cross (Luke 9:22-23). The disciples hear but do not grasp, as “they did not understand this saying, and it was hidden from them, so that they did not perceive it; and they were afraid to ask Him about this saying” (Luke 9:45). Again, Jesus tells the twelve, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished. For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again,” but they understood none of these things; this saying was hidden from them, and they did not know the things which were spoken (Luke 18:31-34).

Jesus connects His death to atonement, saying, “The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain,” and “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself,” signifying His crucifixion (John 12:23-24, 32-33). At the Last Supper, He takes bread, saying, “Take, eat; this is My body,” and the cup, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:26-28). The disciples participate, aware of His words, but their full understanding comes only after His resurrection, when He opens their minds to comprehend the Scriptures (Luke 24:45-47).

Yes Doug, Jesus told all around Him, the 12 and his close followers Knew what was to happen to Christ but you reject this information and I know why it is because you Put Paul before Christ out Lord, you elevate Paul and forget that CHRIST IS THE MASTER AND PAUL THE SERVANT. Why do refuse what is written clearly in Christ's own words, You have no excuses.
 

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One last thought
You want to look at surrounding verses, fine, look at this one

[John 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This verse says he is condemned by not believing Christ's redemption by the cross........NO it doesnt, what does it say?.......he is condemned because he hasnt believed in the NAME

For eternal life Israel had only to believe that Jesus is Christ, the Son of God.................[John 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Dont forget even the apostles didnt understand the death and resurrection of Christ...................[Luk 9:45 KJV] 45 But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.
Doug = Who did the FATHER send to die on the Cross and what is His NAME

Without a Name the Son has no Identity = His Name is His Identity = LORD Jesus Christ

The mistake you are making is separating Truth from Truth = bad thing to do
 

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What a bunch of false information Doug,
Am I teaching falsehoods in saying Isaiah 53 is talking about Christ redeeming Israel's transgressions only?
Who is Isaiah talking about? ...................[Isa 53:8 KJV] 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken..........he was stricken for MY PEOPLE.......Israel is my people

Is it falsehood to say Hebrews 9:15 says it was only Israel's transgressions Christ redeemed......who committed sins under the first testament? was it not Israel?
 

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Am I teaching falsehoods in saying Isaiah 53 is talking about Christ redeeming Israel's transgressions only?
Who is Isaiah talking about? ...................[Isa 53:8 KJV] 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken..........he was stricken for MY PEOPLE.......Israel is my people

Is it falsehood to say Hebrews 9:15 says it was only Israel's transgressions Christ redeemed......who committed sins under the first testament? was it not Israel?
YES = it is falsehood to make those assertations!!!

Here is why:
#1 - Genesis 3:15 = this is the first Prophecy of Salvation spoken of in Scripture = the Jewish people were not created
The Jewish people/nation of Israel did not come into existence until a few thousand years later
Therefore the Prophecy of Salvation is to ALL the world

#2 - Genesis 18:18 & 22:18 & Galatians 3:8 - God promised that Salvation will be thru the Seed of Abraham to ALL nations

#3 - Isaiah 49:6 & Acts 13:47 - Declare that Salvation/JESUS is to all nations
 
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Am I teaching falsehoods in saying Isaiah 53 is talking about Christ redeeming Israel's transgressions only?
Who is Isaiah talking about? ...................[Isa 53:8 KJV] 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken..........he was stricken for MY PEOPLE.......Israel is my people

Is it falsehood to say Hebrews 9:15 says it was only Israel's transgressions Christ redeemed......who committed sins under the first testament? was it not Israel?
who is MY people Doug?

Who will be resurrected with Christ, only israel?

God's people will be those who do his will, jews and gentiles alike, never forget that. I have told you this also before but you wont listen. it is why Jesus sent his disciples throughout the world to to teach everything he did and said, including his death and resurrection, yes before Paul did!

I do not what version of the bible you read but I think the church you go to or a preacher perhaps? have poisoned your mind and you new believe false doctrine.

Not much time left Doug, the end times are upon us, I feel WW3 is around the corner.
 
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Yes Doug, Jesus told all around Him, the 12 and his close followers Knew what was to happen to Christ
I never rejected that he told them about it (so did the prophets) but even you cited passages that say they didnt understand it. If they didnt understand it how could they preach the same gospel as Paul in the four gospels.

[Luk 24:44-45 KJV] 44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Jesus opened their understanding of what the law, and the prophets, and the Psalms wrote of Christ and his death and resurrection. He didnt reveal anything of the cross being for all; this was a mystery kept hidden until revealed to Paul.
 

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YES = it is falsehood to make those assertations!!!

Here is why:
#1 - Genesis 3:15 = this is the first Prophecy of Salvation spoken of in Scripture = the Jewish people were not created
The Jewish people/nation of Israel did not come into existence until a few thousand years later
Therefore the Prophecy of Salvation is to ALL the world

#2 - Genesis 18:18 & 22:18 & Galatians 3:8 - God promised that Salvation will be thru the Seed of Abraham to ALL nations

#3 - Isaiah 49:6 & Acts 13:47 - Declare that Salvation/JESUS is to all nations
You know your scripture!
 
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Doug = Who did the FATHER send to die on the Cross and what is His NAME

Without a Name the Son has no Identity = His Name is His Identity = LORD Jesus Christ

The mistake you are making is separating Truth from Truth = bad thing to do
Big difference between knowing his name and believing on his name plus John 20:31 tells us that believing on his name meant believing he is Christ the Son of God
 
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I never rejected that he told them about it (so did the prophets) but even you cited passages that say they didnt understand it. If they didnt understand it how could they preach the same gospel as Paul in the four gospels.

[Luk 24:44-45 KJV] 44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Jesus opened their understanding of what the law, and the prophets, and the Psalms wrote of Christ and his death and resurrection. He didnt reveal anything of the cross being for all; this was a mystery kept hidden until revealed to Paul.
you missed the verses that say clearly then when Jesus sent the Holy Spirit after his resurrection and ascension they understood everything, I have given you this verse before!! do you know which one it is? please search for it, it is nor hard to find, if you cannot see it let me know, i will tell you.

despite the fact I told you before i would not speak to you anymore, I have difficulty to leave you in this state Doug, You were wounded and I want to help but only of you say yes! and must confirm.
 

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Here is why:
#1 - Genesis 3:15 = this is the first Prophecy of Salvation spoken of in Scripture = the Jewish people were not created
The Jewish people/nation of Israel did not come into existence until a few thousand years later
Therefore the Prophecy of Salvation is to ALL the world
[Gen 3:15 KJV] 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Yes it is a prophecy of Christ's redemption. You are reading what you know into it. If you read this back then you wouldn't. It doesn't say anything about saving the world.
Saying Israel wasn't in view here.....not to sure.......who was the woman's seed?.......Christ.........what does scripture say about Christ..........[Luk 1:32-33 KJV] 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end........Christ will reign over the house of Jacob (Israel)
 

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@Doug
so you do not miss this as it is extremely important for you to understand this verse mentioned by @David in NJ ;

Isa 49:6 "And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth."


so see we are telling you the truth!
 

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[Gen 3:15 KJV] 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Yes it is a prophecy of Christ's redemption. You are reading what you know into it. If you read this back then you wouldn't. It doesn't say anything about saving the world.
Saying Israel wasn't in view here.....not to sure.......who was the woman's seed?.......Christ.........what does scripture say about Christ..........[Luk 1:32-33 KJV] 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end........Christ will reign over the house of Jacob (Israel)
Yes it is a prophecy of Christ's redemption. It doesn't say anything about saving the world.

Sure it does = the whole world are descendants from Adam and Eve EXCEPT for CHRIST

1 Cor 15:22 - For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
 

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The reason that Paul called The Gospel......"My Gospel". 3x in the NT, is because Jesus gave it to Him, Personally., or as Paul explains....

= "I received it from no Man".

Whereas Peter and the rest of the Apostles who were still living, did receive it from a Man, as Paul is the man who taught them.
started out real good
but ended up a lie .
Pual didnt teach peter and the other apostels the gospel .
THEY already knew it . JESUS taught them
and later on the road to damascus revealed the very same gospel to PAUL .
they aint two gospels. there is ONE gospel .
and the apostels knew it before paul did . BUT it was later revealed to paul by JESUS . lets keep things real simple shall we ........
 

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started out real good
but ended up a lie .
Pual didnt teach peter and the other apostels the gospel .
THEY already knew it . JESUS taught them
and later on the road to damascus revealed the very same gospel to PAUL .
they aint two gospels. there is ONE gospel .
and the apostels knew it before paul did . BUT it was later revealed to paul by JESUS . lets keep things real simple shall we ........
i cannot believe @Behold made that statement

@Behold = Please refresh your spirit and mind in TRUTH = read the Gospel of John and Acts
 

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#2 - Genesis 18:18 & 22:18 & Galatians 3:8 - God promised that Salvation will be thru the Seed of Abraham to ALL nations
[Gen 18:18 KJV] 18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
First of all God revealed his salvation for all..........[Isa 49:6 KJV] 6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth............but how was not revealed in full.
It will be thru Israel in the thousand year kingdom on earth when Israel will lead the Gentile nations to the Lord and thru Paul as seen in Acts 13:47
 

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[Gen 18:18 KJV] 18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
First of all God revealed his salvation for all..........[Isa 49:6 KJV] 6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth............but how was not revealed in full.
It will be thru Israel in the thousand year kingdom on earth when Israel will lead the Gentile nations to the Lord and thru Paul as seen in Acts 13:47
JESUS is the ISRAEL of GOD who leads the nations to HIMSELF/The FATHER/The HOLY SPIRIT
 
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Yes John 3:16 was just for the Jews

John 3:16
For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


You must have missed the part in John 3:16 where Jesus specifically said "God so loved the WORLD"

If what you are saying is true, then Jesus would have said "God so loved the JEWS" but He didn't say that.

So now we have to figure out who is speaking false doctrine, you or Jesus.

Obviously Jesus is not the One speaking false doctrine

Better luck on the next topic son, you lost this round seeing what you said is in direct opposition to what Jesus said