My Lord And Savior Is Not A "SISSIFIED NEEDY JESUS", But HE is a GOD of WRATH!!

[Waiting on him]

Who are you!? Who are you to tell God what is or is not fair? How arrogant!

Ummm,,,, maybe a god complex???
This seems to be a commonality between Calvin and his disciples.
In Willies post he’s not addressing God.... He’s addressing you and your cronies.

 

[reformed1689]

In Willies post he’s not addressing God.... He’s addressing you and your cronies.

In his post he said God is not unfair, which is to suggest that what we see in Romans 9 is unfair. That is, in fact, telling God what is or is not fair. We did not come up with the position, God told us that is what He does so to suggest it is unfair is telling God He is unfair. And you seem to miss the fact that my rebuke of Willie was actually a paraphrase of Romans 9 that essentially says the same exact thing.

 

[Waiting on him]

In his post he said God is not unfair, which is to suggest that what we see in Romans 9 is unfair. That is, in fact, telling God what is or is not fair. We did not come up with the position, God told us that is what He does so to suggest it is unfair is telling God He is unfair. And you seem to miss the fact that my rebuke of Willie was actually a paraphrase of Romans 9 that essentially says the same exact thing.

Well let your rebuke be for me as well, because God is not unfair.

 

[Waiting on him]

Isaiah 45:22-23 KJV
[22] Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. [23] I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.


Tecarta Bible

 

[reformed1689]

Well let your rebuke be for me as well, because God is not unfair.

You are correct, God is not unfair, but God also says that some are prepared for destruction. They will never be saved. They do not have the eyes to see and ears to hear. He does not choose them. He does not elect them. But that is NOT unfair. That is what they rightly deserve. He has mercy on whom He has mercy.

WHO ARE YOU to talk back to God?

 

[Waiting on him]

You are correct, God is not unfair, but God also says that some are prepared for destruction. They will never be saved. They do not have the eyes to see and ears to hear. He does not choose them. He does not elect them. But that is NOT unfair. That is what they rightly deserve. He has mercy on whom He has mercy.

WHO ARE YOU to talk back to God?

God complex.

 

[Waiting on him]

For you it’s an occupation.

 

[reformed1689]

For you it’s an occupation.

The study of God and Scripture is what I devote my life to. That is what all Christians are called to do. To know God and love Him more. What do you mean when you say "God complex?"

 

[Waiting on him]

The study of God and Scripture is what I devote my life to. That is what all Christians are called to do. To know God and love Him more. What do you mean when you say "God complex?"

Your motives are very clear to me.

 

[reformed1689]

Your motives are very clear to me.

My motive is to preach the truth. And you didn't actually address my question. What do you mean by "God complex"

 

[Renniks]

Hey Jon? Going to file you under ignore. Buh-bye!

Who is Jon? Not sure who you are talking to.

 

[Renniks]

If you knew that draw from those verses in John means an effectual drawing then you’d know those He draw come to Him. The Christ said all the Father gives Him WILL come to Him. They WILL come. It’s the same word in John 18:10 when Peter drew his sword and cut Malthus’ ear off. It’s the same word that was used in John 21:11 when Peter drew the net full of fish to the shore. It’s the same word when they dragged Paul out of the temple and locked the door behind him in Acts of the Apostles 21:30. The Greek word is Helko, pronounced hel-koo-o, and it means to literally drag off. It does not mean God literally drags us to Him kicking and screaming, but that He effectually draws us to Himself.

So, did that sword in John 18:10 choose to come(or not) when Peter grabbed it? Did that net choose to come to the shore(or not) as Peter drew(dragged) it to the shore? Of course not. But when Peter laid hold of them, they did what Peter wanted them to do. Just like when God draws us. We do that which He wants us to do.

In John 21:6 they intended to helkysai the net but it would not move. Or, suppose a rope is put round the neck of a stubborn mule, and the Jews have just been described [John 6:43] as people who grumble, [complain rather than comply],then here too pulling/drawing may produce no positive effect. The thing drawn does not necessarily move.

• 12:32 says that when Jesus is lifted up He will draw all people to Himself. Clearly, not everyone is actually attracted to Jesus and so many have resisted the drawing of Jesus.
• Acts 7:51 describes the frustration of Stephen when he states that the Jews were always resisting the Holy Spirit.
• 1 Thess 5:19 says not to quench (ie, resist) the Holy Spirit
• Eph 4:30 says not to grieve (ie, resist) the Holy Spirit
• 1 Tim 6:10 describes some who allow the lure of money to be greater than the drawing of Jesus and His faith.
• 2 Peter 2:21 also describes some who once knew the way of righteousness but have abandoned the faith and thus resist the drawing of Jesus via His Spirit.

 

[reformed1689]

12:32 says that when Jesus is lifted up He will draw all people to Himself. Clearly, not everyone is actually attracted to Jesus and so many have resisted the drawing of Jesus.

Out of context. You need to look at the whole of chapter 12 and the entire book of John. It is talking about all types of people, not individuals.

 

[SovereignGrace]

In John 21:6 they intended to helkysai the net but it would not move. Or, suppose a rope is put round the neck of a stubborn mule, and the Jews have just been described [John 6:43] as people who grumble, [complain rather than comply],then here too pulling/drawing may produce no positive effect. The thing drawn does not necessarily move.

• 12:32 says that when Jesus is lifted up He will draw all people to Himself. Clearly, not everyone is actually attracted to Jesus and so many have resisted the drawing of Jesus.
• Acts 7:51 describes the frustration of Stephen when he states that the Jews were always resisting the Holy Spirit.
• 1 Thess 5:19 says not to quench (ie, resist) the Holy Spirit
• Eph 4:30 says not to grieve (ie, resist) the Holy Spirit
• 1 Tim 6:10 describes some who allow the lure of money to be greater than the drawing of Jesus and His faith.
• 2 Peter 2:21 also describes some who once knew the way of righteousness but have abandoned the faith and thus resist the drawing of Jesus via His Spirit.

 

[SovereignGrace]

In John 21:6 they intended to helkysai the net but it would not move. Or, suppose a rope is put round the neck of a stubborn mule, and the Jews have just been described [John 6:43] as people who grumble, [complain rather than comply],then here too pulling/drawing may produce no positive effect. The thing drawn does not necessarily move.

• 12:32 says that when Jesus is lifted up He will draw all people to Himself. Clearly, not everyone is actually attracted to Jesus and so many have resisted the drawing of Jesus.
• Acts 7:51 describes the frustration of Stephen when he states that the Jews were always resisting the Holy Spirit.
• 1 Thess 5:19 says not to quench (ie, resist) the Holy Spirit
• Eph 4:30 says not to grieve (ie, resist) the Holy Spirit
• 1 Tim 6:10 describes some who allow the lure of money to be greater than the drawing of Jesus and His faith.
• 2 Peter 2:21 also describes some who once knew the way of righteousness but have abandoned the faith and thus resist the drawing of Jesus via His Spirit.

That is not what helko means. Not even remotely close. Every place it’s used, even it John 12:32, means when drawn, it comes. So, if all in John 12:32 means everybody w/o exception, then everybody w/o exception is saved.

 

[Waiting on him]

My motive is to preach the truth. And you didn't actually address my question. What do you mean by "God complex"

Your a smart boy..... you figure it out.

 

[Renniks]

Out of context. You need to look at the whole of chapter 12 and the entire book of John. It is talking about all types of people, not individuals.

Not true. All means all here. No reason to believe otherwise.
36 Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.” When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.

Jesus makes it clear that even the hardened Jews could choose to believe.

 

[Renniks]

That is not what helko means. Not even remotely close. Every place it’s used, even it John 12:32, means when draw, it comes. So, if all in John 12:32 means everybody w/o exception, then everybody w/o exception is saved.

So we can't resist the Spirit even though scripture says we can. Got it.

 

[amadeus]

Then you are saying there is no Holy Spirit in the Bible. You are in error.

The Bible was written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit. So it has potential.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" II Tim 3:16

It was given by men to write it, but in order to understand what God's message in that Bible also requires the Holy Spirit. It requires a Interpreter. When Jesus walked the planet as a man, He was the interpreter for those who had ears to hear. For us the Holy Spirit is the Interpreter. People without the Holy Spirit in them or the desire to move toward God can read the Bible and receive nothing at all that is Alive. They might as well be reading the Encyclopedia Britannica or Webster's Dictionary. The Word of God is Alive!

When a person, who is hungry and thirsty for the kingdom and righteousness of God, reads a Bible or simply sincerely asks of God, the Holy Spirit will be right there to fill him with something that is Alive, the Word of God. This is the Interpreter at work in the hungry and thirsty person. There are the dead words that a devil or satan or an unseeking unbeliever speak from the scripture and there is the Word of Life, the Word of God, which is not for them because of where their heart is.

Where is our heart? Where is your heart when you preach or teach from the Bible? What is your purpose if not feed the hungry?

 

[reformed1689]

Your a smart boy..... you figure it out.

So you are just running your mouth then? Got it.