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Featured My Lord And Savior Is Not A "SISSIFIED NEEDY JESUS", But HE is a GOD of WRATH!!

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  1. amadeus

    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    So why not answer the question describing how the type of error makes a difference? It's your belief not mine so I still can only guess at what you mean.
     
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    So, does the Christ not know now the exact # of those who will be saved and are welcomed in on the day of judgment? If He does not, then He isn’t omniscient.
     
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    For example, arminianism is an error. But I believe there are Christians who are arminian. But I do not believe there are Christians who deny the Deity of Christ.
     
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    Thank you! That was painless, was it not. You could have done that in your first response. Saved or not, elect or not, some people need explanations. They don't all have your education.
     
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    of course He knows. Don’t fully disagree. Most Questions I have is the “chosen of God” that maybe is stretched way beyond (imo) the intent entering into the camp of great swelling words and the yoke of vanity. Not “easily to be intreated” but the opposite. One(imo) that doesn’t line up is selling the chosen of God do not endure wrath. HE did. (Hebrews 12:3)

    And God Himself spoke He was chosen of God and approved, no debate there I hope. So is it The chosen of God do not endure wrath or “endure” is Action where wrath does not destroy (consume)what remains? Luke 23:35-37 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God. [36] And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar, [37] And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.

    1 Peter 2:4-5 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, [5] Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

    the other question concerning “chosen of God” is they tempted Him that if He was “the chosen of God” to save Himself. yet the Chosen Son of God said “the bread I give is my flesh which I will give for the Life of the world.” even sinners and enemies like you and I.

    when the Lord said to take away (remove) from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity.” is He not saying to remove from the midst of thee that which speaks great swelling words and vanity (emptiness). To instead put on Christ “take on my yoke” “for I am meek and lowly”. Again, some of Calvinism I might would agree with, some of the words sound to similar to claiming “chosen of God” yet we save ourselves and to hell with everyone else.
     
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    His love is beyond all knowledge.
     
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    And I will not disagree with that. When I see myself, I wonder why sometimes. Why me, Lord? Why me? I don’t understand it fully, but I love Him more than ANYTHING!
     
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    Now this is how He is made manifest to the nations.
     
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    Question concerning My Lord And Savior Is Not A "SISSIFIED NEEDY JESUS", But HE is a GOD of WRATH!!


    Exodus 32:11-14 And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand? [12] Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. [13] Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever. [14] And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

    Why “the Lord repented of the evil which he thought? Why Moses besought the Lord his God “Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.”? Why call “thy fierce wrath” evil or that the Lord would repent of the evil which he thought against his people?
     
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    If I may brush off the dust and interject, I believe that what @SovereignGrace means is that we need to define our terms. When reading through this, I saw many times that you said that we don't want to talk Christ, and there is an actual reason why they have been hesitant to do so.

    We must first define our terms, and make sure that the Jesus I am talking about is the same Jesus you are talking about. We need to nail out the essentials about God, Christ and the Holy Spirit before we can even begin talking, otherwise we will be talking about 2 different things. Many, many, MANY times I have in the past tried to understand your doctrine with a genuine interest in what you believe, and have been in essence told that you don't know, you don't know if you believe it. I would be more than happy to speak about the TRUE Christ with you, but first we need to get over some of the hurdles so we better understand one another.

    God (Heavenly Father) is an exalted man with a physical body of flesh and bone. LDS founder Joseph Smith said, "If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by his power, was to make himself visible-I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form"

    My question is; When you talk about God the Father... is this Father just an exalted man? A created being that rose to godhood?
     
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