Mystery Babylon-Understanding the imagery

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Earburner

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Being a true follower of Christ is difficult for those who don't have the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit--and many "churchgoers" don't have His indwelling presence. There is a reason why He is called our "Helper". John 1:12 tells us that, all those who believe in Jesus are given the right to become the children of God. Reading the gospel of John in a plain language text is a good place to start in studying the Bible. I think the NLT is a great plain language translation.
You lack spiritual wisdom. The mission of God, is that NONE should perish.
There are many who repent towards God, and accept the Lord Jesus as their Savior, and for all intent and purposes, according to scripture, the Lord by His own will, shall NEVER leave them.

Most however, have the Lord, but through lack of following Him BY HIS Spirit, they live their lives predominantly through their flesh.
Does that mean that they are not a disciple of the Lord, just because they are slow at learning?
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You have yet to learn that there is no such thing as a "good sinner", as opposed to a "bad sinner", of whom each are saved by Grace, through faith in the Righteous Blood of Christ.
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I dare you, that you shall do better, than what they allow the Lord to do in and through them, though it be small and limited.
 

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I quite understand that I am, like you, a sinner, saved by grace--but that does not entitle us to insult, belittle and behave badly toward others--especially those in the Body. We are called to a higher standard of behavior than those in the world.
So, are there Catholic believers under the care of the Lord Jesus? Yes or no?
 

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Judas NEVER represents ANY kind of follower of Jesus, bbyrd. Please read the Gospel of John--he is probably the harshest critic of Judas among the Apostles. Jesus WILL be a literal King. He is "King of Kings and Lord of Lords". What will you do with Isaiah's prophecy that the "government will be upon His shoulders" without Him being a literal King? I think that Judas, like Satan, was jealous of the adoration lavished on Jesus by the crowds--he was likely also jealous of His power. He probably betrayed Jesus out of spite and then recognized his deadly error too late as Satan hounded him with guilt and shame. Judas is certainly a tragic figure but it was by his own choice. Have you been reading from Gnostic lies, bbyrd?
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Judas Iscariot sure does represent a portion of people who attend church.
They are only "followers of Jesus", as would be observers, who watch a sports game. Never a participant (partaker), but always observering .
 

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You have yet to learn that there is no such thing as a "good sinner", as opposed to a "bad sinner", of whom each are saved by Grace, through faith in the Righteous Blood of Christ.

You must have me confused with someone else--I never said there was any such thing as a "good sinner" as opposed to a "bad sinner"o_O

You are apparently only interested in being unpleasant, accusatory and arguing for the sake of arguing, (arguing against "points" that others have never made). Unless you can state some compelling reason why you need me to stay in this "conversation", I think I am done with same. Have a good evening. :)
 
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Wadr "conversations" imply give and take, you don't have conversations. either. You all apparently come here to see if you can out-Oracle each other, near as I can tell, and if I've learned nothing else it is that ppl who talk like that all believe in Death More Abundantly, and I mean every single one, no exceptions.

And that behavior is a part of MB too imo, although I'm just seeing this now, what "they all spoke the same language" really is saying; "they all marched in lock-step" or something along those lines...much like our missionaries, maybe. Homo-spirituality, I would call it, if that term were not already appropriated.

Iow anyone who even suggests
No one has ever gone up to heaven
or
There is only One Immortal
will find out what a "Christian Believer" means by "conversation" right quick!
lol. You mean "lecture" there, apparently. Preach
 
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This is why Christians often end up as door-mats in the present also, I guess. Realizing a "belief" which is really an Absolute Truth about Death More Abundantly which is always Just a Day Away will turn you into a Codependent Doormat, today

And the symptoms are apparent, the hypocrisies pile on top of each other; right after assuring some audience that things will be so much awesomely better tomorrow you will hear complaints about how things used to be so much better yesterday, and similar, even more obvious slip-ups, that I hate to even reveal lest the marks just get wiser.

If you consider yourself a good institutional "Christian" or you are even tagging along to a "Christian" "church" nowadays, imo you are in a lot of trouble, and that should even be obvious the second you walk in the door and start hearing "it's like this and like that" from some blind idiot with a self-satisfied grin on his face, collecting your money.

Now, if that seems a bit harsh, then let me invite you to Quote those two vv to one of them and see if you get blown off with the same air of smugness etc. All pastors are not equal of course, but what that means practically speaking for this scenario is that you will even be able to witness the Good Ones struggling with the Accepted Hypocrisy that you have just asked them to remark upon; and the Really Good Ones are on the way out the door, or have already left the ministry imo.

To put that another way, in case someone actually tries it, you will be very hard-pressed to find an Ordained Christian Pastor who is willing to explore we do not yet know what we will become, or the many supporting vv, that mark Eternity as "an age, a space of time," or illustrate that there is only One Immortal, or any other passages that threaten the concept of death, more abundantly.

But what you can easily find is One who can assure you that "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord," see, just spout that one and watch His face light up! Now what I'm giving away here is the keys to the kingdom, bc the point is not to go and challenge these blind wolves on their Leadership or their Theology or their Hypocrisy for sure, all those are pointless; the point is to understand how to interact with them in daily life in such a way that there is no loser in the transaction, which requires a little trick usually, bc they are bent upon winning at any cost.

So, if you like ask them for their autograph or whatever you have maybe gone too far--maybe not tho--but the path to achieving an objective through them is along those lines, iow do the opposite of what I do here, don't be challenging their Lead, etc, if you hear "no" at any time you are already on dangerous ground, be prepped to say "ah, ty" after whatever dreck comes after the "no," and don't expect it to be addressing the actual point at all, stuff like that.

Of course it is much pref to just be anywhere else if possible, but sometimes this is not possible, we have to interact with ppl, this is part of the baptism process imo, and I don't know why or even quite how but the progression in "conversations" seemed to go like at the beginning I was upset and they were upset, then just they were upset, then just I was upset, and now if we aren't both happy at the end of a real-life interaction I will be doing some pausing and reflecting on the matter later to make sure it wasn't me.
 

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Yes, Ratzinger (Benedict XVI) definitely had a malignant stare--but so does Bergoglio (Francis I). American Catholics are quite openly restless under the dictates of Vatican II and the current crop in the Vatican, including the Jesuit Pope Francis. Some are even advocating separation of the RC churches from the Vatican. Interesting, no? Here is the website of one of the men behind the movement to separate: No Space Between Ratzinger and Bergoglio

This anti-Vatican Catholic website is currently selling a book written by a secessionist.

I have rarely seen such overt evil emanating from someones eyes as the one Pope - I don't know his name. I believe Francis is the current Pope, right? Your link didn't work for some reason. I was so shocked by what I had read about the Vatican I felt like printing it out and handing it out to all the people going into mass at the local Catholic church. The Vatican is going to destroy America. I was reading that we can't take on all these people and the welfare they need. I had been turned away at the hospital and that hospital tormented me for the bill for around a year afterwards and I wasn't even seen. I read that a number of hospitals have closed because by law they're forced to care for everyone even though not paid. America is not in good shape.
 

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as a whole, no. and I was former Baptist, and I seen some of the beast there, and in many denomination also that I have incountered. I will not throw each and every Indivudal of a denomination into the same category. I have seen many a Catholic lay people come out of the Babylon they was in, as well as others in their denomination. so no one place do the beast reside it you who need to "come out of her".

the Lord Jesus allowed me to Understand that he has many Lambs in all these denomination, it's just a matter of winning them over.

PICJAG.

We attend a Baptist church now. Like you, we have seen evil in every church we've been in. The worst sin that leaders have is pride and they often don't see it. When a believer discerns it, it is quite difficult to experience. Denominations aren't all that important but as a general rule we get a feel for different denominations. I came out of the Catholic church not knowing anything. When I sought God there was nothing there. But right now I think the Catholic church/ Vatican is some evil. My views are still evolving as I'm sorting everything out but I think they play a big part. I don't think we should condemn Catholics but if someone attends the Catholic church I have to wonder how spiritual they are since there is nothing in the Catholic church that feeds the regenerated spirit.
 

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You must have me confused with someone else--I never said there was any such thing as a "good sinner" as opposed to a "bad sinner"o_O
If that is the case, then why would you ask if I am Catholic, or assume that I am?
Are they "bad sinners", in comparison to any other denomination that believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior?
 

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We attend a Baptist church now. Like you, we have seen evil in every church we've been in. The worst sin that leaders have is pride and they often don't see it. When a believer discerns it, it is quite difficult to experience. Denominations aren't all that important but as a general rule we get a feel for different denominations. I came out of the Catholic church not knowing anything. When I sought God there was nothing there. But right now I think the Catholic church/ Vatican is some evil. My views are still evolving as I'm sorting everything out but I think they play a big part. I don't think we should condemn Catholics but if someone attends the Catholic church I have to wonder how spiritual they are since there is nothing in the Catholic church that feeds the regenerated spirit.
Within the RCC, there is the "born again" teaching, and movement called "Charasmatic Catholics".
 

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"Are they "bad sinners", in comparison"

Of course they are, right? Anyone who refuses to march in lockstep with the Preacher's Determination is condemned in Christianity, right, that is even the primary feature of the whole religion. Am I bitter?

Times are really hard for Christians right now, right, we hear this every day, yes? But I am not suffering at all, I am in the kingdom of heaven right now. So I dunno if "bitter" is the best descriptive, you guys can decide that better I guess. I know I won't be moaning about not getting seen by a guy with a snake on a pole on his lapel any time soon, though; you guys do what you like!
 

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If that is the case, then why would you ask if I am Catholic, or assume that I am?
Are they "bad sinners", in comparison to any other denomination that believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior?

I didn't ask if you are a Catholic. Don't particularly care and am somewhat dubious that you are an RC anyway. I never spoke of "bad sinners" vs. "good sinners". Have a good day.
 

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Are you regularly attending church, bbyrd? You could meet real Christians there (believe me, there are lots of them) who love the Lord Jesus and the Father. True followers of Christ love all of the Father's children as well.
I do not understand him. Nor do I feel the Holy Spirit in his posts.
 

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I didn't ask if you are a Catholic. Don't particularly care and am somewhat dubious that you are an RC anyway. I never spoke of "bad sinners" vs. "good sinners". Have a good day.
Never the less, you will remember what I have said.
Luke 17
[21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Rom. 8[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.