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The standard story of Booth's demise is below, what source have you used to show otherwise?

How did Booth stay in hiding for so long?

Booth was able to escape Ford’s Theater alive, and he was on the run for 12 days, accompanied by another conspirator, David Herold. The pair went to the Surratt Tavern in Maryland, gathered supplies, went to see Dr. Mudd to have Booth’s broken leg set, and then headed through forest lands and swamps to Virginia. They were also aided by a former Confederate spy operative and by other Confederate sympathizers. Military forces were hot on their trail, and they found a person who directed them to a Virginia farm. At the Garrett Farm, Booth was fatally wounded, and Herold surrendered.
"The Suppressed Truth about the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln."
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"The Suppressed Truth about the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln."
Burke McCarty
Lincoln was simply a 'politician and lawyer'.

In the Lincoln-Douglas debates during his campaign for president, Lincoln said that he had no intention of ending slavery, and that if one had to be over the other, he said he preferred the white man be over the slaves. And Lincoln is pumped up as being a great American? Not what the real history about him shows. The real history shows Lincoln was a tyrant.
 

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You can context all you want. No amount of context can evade what Bellarmine declared.

Ascribing the names of Christ to anyone else, pontiff or otherwise, is the epitome of the abomination of desecration.

Spiritual stupor and craven cowardice are the quintessence of what you are purveying.
"Quointessence'?
"Epitome?"
"Craven Cowarduce'?


I hopr you didn't hurt yourself thumbing through the dictonary . . .
Unfortunately, your first sentence above illustrates yoir grammatic ineptitude - because "Context" isn't a verb, Einstein.

As to your false accusatins of "abomination", simply dust off that family Bible that you obviously NEVER read - because it's time for another Bible Lesson about Christ's Church . . .

- The Church is the Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).

- Jesus said that HE is the Light of the World (John 8:12).
Jesus also said that His Church is the Light of the world (Matt. 5:14).

- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6).- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).

- Giving His Church Supreme earthly Authorit, Jesus told the leaders of His Church that WHATEVER THEY bound or loosed on earth would ALSO be bound and loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).

- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).

- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

- Jesus said about his Church: “Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME" (Luke 10:16).


Bottom line, son - the Church - and moreover, the Pope has the Authority of Christ on earth.
Your denial of this is a denial of Scripture . . .
 
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No, I cherry picked nothing. I agreed with you, and cited the sources, showing that the pope is, as you said, the "VICAR" of Christ (which, in Latin, is Vicarius Christi, or in koine Greek, Anti-Christos). The actual substitute, that Jesus sent in His stead, was the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost/Spirit, not any man.

All you did was simply cite, something to this effect - Pope claimed to be God?
Guess AGAIN, Einstein.

Th Greek “εφημέριος του Χριστού” translates as:
"Vicar of Christ”. It DOERSN’T translate as “Anti-Christ” the
The Greek word for "Anti-Chist (an-tee'-khris-tos)" is αντιχηριστοσ” - so check the LIES at door and try to keep it honestm for a change . . .
I have read the original Encyclicals, Bulls, etc, in their fullness.

However, their (and also yours) argument, that a person cannot claim to be God and have a Redeemer and Master is simply not true. Jesus Himself, referred to such, when upon the Cross, cited Psalms 31:5 in part, even as He had for Psalms 22, etc. Jesus claimed to be God (Deity, not the Person/Being of the Father), manifest in the flesh (of mankind, fallen sinful), and yet also said that He had a "God" and "Father", which is also a Master over Himself (see John 20:17). There are other OT references that show the Son calling upon the Father as His "redeemer". Why? The Son was "made ... to be sin for us" (2 Corinthians 5:21) and bore all the sins of mankind upon Himself. See also texts that refer to Jesus' resurrection (redemption) from the grave (such as Psalms 49:15).

So, can a pope claim to be God, and still say that they have a Redeemer and Master? Sure. It has been done. I had helped to find this quote some time back and shared it with brother Michael Scheifler - Mysterious Quote Regarding Pope Found!

The argumentation of Catholic apologists are generally seriously flawed and usually self-serving (but you do not have to agree with me here, yet).
Thank you for pointing out youtr theologivcal oerversio with regard to the Triune Godhead.

ALL THREE Persons of theTerinity are God - but there IS a proprietary "pecking" order:
The Fathetr SENDD the Son .
T
he Holy Spirit PROCEEDS from BOTH the Fathe and the Son.
Jesus unites to Himsef TWO namures: FULLY Man and FULLY God.
Jesus the man HAS a God.
Jesus the Sone IS God.

Pope Leo XIII’s Encyclical Letter Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae uses the phrase, "Our Redeemer and Master".
The Pope HAS a God, Redeemer and Masster - and NEVER claims to be ANY of these things. He rightly asserts, however, that he has the God-given AUHORITY ofChrist over the Church (Matt. 16:18-19,, Mark 16:7, John 21:15-18, (Luke 22:31-32.).


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He rightly asserts, however, that he has the God-given AUHORITY ofChrist over the Church (Matt. 16:18-19,, Mark 16:7, John 21:15-18, (Luke 22:31-32.).
False Claim

The Pope doesn't have God given authority over Christianity on this earth

The cults of Mormonism, Jehovahs Witnesses claim the same

Man has one mediator between himself and God, Jesus Christ

Roman Cathokicism is a false religion, that has man bound to false teachings and beliefs

A Few Examples: Mary Mediatrix, Purgatory, Indulgences, Transubstantiation, Papal Infallibility, Saint Worship, Infant Baptism

1 Timothy 2:5KJV
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Man goes directly to Jesus Christ in prayer, no Catholic Church, Mother Mary, or Pope needed

1 John 2:1KJV
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
 
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False Claim

The Pope doesn't have God given authority over Christianity on this earth

The cults of Mormonism, Jehovahs Witnesses claim the same

Man has one mediator between himself and God, Jesus Christ

Roman Cathokicism is a false religion, that has man bound to false teachings and beliefs

A Few Examples: Mary Mediatrix, Purgatory, Indulgences, Transubstantiation, Papal Infallibility, Saint Worship, Infant Baptism

1 Timothy 2:5KJV
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Man goes directly to Jesus Christ in prayer, no Catholic Church, Mother Mary, or Pope needed

1 John 2:1KJV
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Do you hate puppies too?
 

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False Claim

The Pope doesn't have God given authority over Christianity on this earth
So you are forced to deny or ignore Matt. 16:18-19,, Mark 16:7, John 21:15-18, Luke 22:31-32 and in doing so, you invent your own private cult with one member..
The cults of Mormonism, Jehovahs Witnesses claim the same
They have no pedigree, and neither do you.
Man has one mediator between himself and God, Jesus Christ
A teaching preserved by the Catholic Church, made narrow and wooden by anti-Catholics with mental illnesses.
Roman Cathokicism is a false religion, that has man bound to false teachings and beliefs

A Few Examples: Mary Mediatrix, Purgatory, Indulgences, Transubstantiation, Papal Infallibility, Saint Worship, Infant Baptism
You're just another religious Nazi or Christian Taliban, borrowing lists from hate sites and reveal a distinct fear of the truth, That's why you run in circles, change the topic, and refuse to be reasoned with.
 
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Theological liberalism involves many fallacies, double standards, and arbitrary distinctions which shall be treated in the book. At bottom, one might say that it is characterized by a lack of faith and belief. Once one picks and chooses what they want to believe in Christianity on ultimately arbitrary grounds other than the Bible, Tradition, and the teaching that has been preserved and passed down from the apostles, then a loss of supernatural faith occurs and the person has, in effect, made themselves the Judge of things which they have no business judging.

Christianity (by definition) requires revelation, faith, and the miraculous. If any of these aspects are attacked or disbelieved, then liberalism and the spirit of heterodoxy or heresy or modernism or dissent are present. Yet most such persons continue on in the Christian community after they have ceased believing in various Christian beliefs, either not being aware of it (lack of education) or knowing full well that their belief has shifted, but assuming that it doesn’t matter, and that they are just as just as orthodox as any other Christian (obstinacy, intellectual dishonesty and rebellion within the fold). This poses many sociological and pastoral difficulties for Christian groups.

 
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Theological liberalism involves many fallacies, double standards, and arbitrary distinctions which shall be treated in the book. At bottom, one might say that it is characterized by a lack of faith and belief. Once one picks and chooses what they want to believe in Christianity on ultimately arbitrary grounds other than the Bible, Tradition, and the teaching that has been preserved and passed down from the apostles, then a loss of supernatural faith occurs and the person has, in effect, made themselves the Judge of things which they have no business judging.

Christianity (by definition) requires revelation, faith, and the miraculous. If any of these aspects are attacked or disbelieved, then liberalism and the spirit of heterodoxy or heresy or modernism or dissent are present. Yet most such persons continue on in the Christian community after they have ceased believing in various Christian beliefs, either not being aware of it (lack of education) or knowing full well that their belief has shifted, but assuming that it doesn’t matter, and that they are just as just as orthodox as any other Christian (obstinacy, intellectual dishonesty and rebellion within the fold). This poses many sociological and pastoral difficulties for Christian groups.

Would a Leader of a religious body "Pope Francis", who endorses same sex unions, would this be considered "Theological Liberalism"?

NewYorkPost

Catholic leaders condemn Pope Francis’ endorsement of same-sex unions​

October 23, 2020 12:56pm

“Homosexuals have a right to be a part of the family. They’re children of God and have a right to a family,” Francis says.
 
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False Claim

The Pope doesn't have God given authority over Christianity on this earth

The cults of Mormonism, Jehovahs Witnesses claim the same

Man has one mediator between himself and God, Jesus Christ

Roman Cathokicism is a false religion, that has man bound to false teachings and beliefs

A Few Examples: Mary Mediatrix, Purgatory, Indulgences, Transubstantiation, Papal Infallibility, Saint Worship, Infant Baptism

1 Timothy 2:5KJV
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Man goes directly to Jesus Christ in prayer, no Catholic Church, Mother Mary, or Pope needed

1 John 2:1KJV
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
It’s only a “false” claim for those who don’t know their Bible very well.

FIRST of all – your asinine claim that the Catholic Church is like the Mormons and JWs because they ALSO claim to be the Authoritative Church fails because BOTH of those cults are 100% Man-Made – just as EVERY single Protestant faction. ONLY the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches has Apostolic Authority and Succession.

And if you disagree with that fact – the onus is on YOU to prove it. Church documents going ALL the way bac to the FIRST century show that the Church in its teachings and practices was CATHOLIC.

As to your extremely ignorant statement regarding Jesus being our “ONLY” mediator – you completely missed the point Paul’s was making, as does EVERY anti-Catholic.

1 Tim., 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Jesus IS our only mediator that can bring peace between us and the Father.
HOWEVER – we are ALL called to be mediators and intercessors (Col. 1:24, James 5:16, 1 John 5:16, 2 Cor. 1:11, Phil. 1:19, Eph. 6:18, 1 Tim. 2:1). The fallacy that we are NOT to ask each other for intercession is 100% Protestant, 100% <an-Made not Biblical.

Finally – your moronic claim that “Roman” Catholic ism is a false “religion” is so asinine on its fac as to cause me to be embarrassed for you.

There is NO SUCH thing as the “Roman Catholic religion”. “Roma” (Latin) simply refers to ONE Rite of the Church. There are some TWENTY Liturgical Rites within the Catholic Church – and they are ALL in communion with each other and are ALL subject to the Bishop of Rome’s God-given Authority (Matt. 16:18, Like 22:31-32, John 21:15-19).
Maronites, Melkite, Coptic, Byzantines, Ruthenians and others are ALL part of the ONE Catholic Church (John 17: 21-23).

So, I suggest you do your HOMEWOTRK if you want to continue this conversation . . .
 

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It’s only a “false” claim for those who don’t know their Bible very well.

FIRST of all – your asinine claim that the Catholic Church is like the Mormons and JWs because they ALSO claim to be the Authoritative Church fails because BOTH of those cults are 100% Man-Made – just as EVERY single Protestant faction. ONLY the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches has Apostolic Authority and Succession.

And if you disagree with that fact – the onus is on YOU to prove it. Church documents going ALL the way bac to the FIRST century show that the Church in its teachings and practices was CATHOLIC.

As to your extremely ignorant statement regarding Jesus being our “ONLY” mediator – you completely missed the point Paul’s was making, as does EVERY anti-Catholic.

1 Tim., 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Jesus IS our only mediator that can bring peace between us and the Father.
HOWEVER – we are ALL called to be mediators and intercessors (Col. 1:24, James 5:16, 1 John 5:16, 2 Cor. 1:11, Phil. 1:19, Eph. 6:18, 1 Tim. 2:1). The fallacy that we are NOT to ask each other for intercession is 100% Protestant, 100% <an-Made not Biblical.

Finally – your moronic claim that “Roman” Catholic ism is a false “religion” is so asinine on its fac as to cause me to be embarrassed for you.

There is NO SUCH thing as the “Roman Catholic religion”. “Roma” (Latin) simply refers to ONE Rite of the Church. There are some TWENTY Liturgical Rites within the Catholic Church – and they are ALL in communion with each other and are ALL subject to the Bishop of Rome’s God-given Authority (Matt. 16:18, Like 22:31-32, John 21:15-19).
Maronites, Melkite, Coptic, Byzantines, Ruthenians and others are ALL part of the ONE Catholic Church (John 17: 21-23).

So, I suggest you do your HOMEWOTRK if you want to continue this conversation . . .
Roman Emperor Constatine is the father of your religion, he established the Vatican in Rome, and he enforced civil punishment at the wishes of his clergy, thus (State Church)

In 325 AD Constantine invited 1800 bishops to the council of Nicaea all expenses paid, only 318 showed up. Yes the true Church 1482 bishops stayed away from the false religious persecutors in Rome, they were well aware of its evils

Jesus Is The Lord

Wikipedia: First Council Of Nicaea
Constantine had invited all 1,800 bishops of the Christian church within the Roman Empire (about 1,000 in the East and 800 in the West), but a smaller and unknown number attended. Eusebius of Caesarea counted more than 250,[22] Athanasius of Alexandria counted 318,[11] and Eustathius of Antioch estimated "about 270"[23] (all three were present at the Council). Later, Socrates Scholasticus recorded more than 300,[24] and Evagrius,[25] Hilary of Poitiers,[26] Jerome,[27] Dionysius Exiguus,[28] and Rufinus[29] each recorded 318. This number 318 is preserved in the liturgies of the Eastern Orthodox Church[30] and the Coptic Orthodox Church.[31] For some, the number is suspicious as it is the number of Abraham's servants in Genesis 14:14, and there was a polemical reason for the Nicene Fathers to imply that they were servants of Abraham, the father of the Faith.[32]

Delegates came from every region of the Roman Empire and from the Christian churches extant within the Sassanid Empire.[33] The participating bishops were given free travel to and from their episcopal sees to the Council, as well as lodging.

"Resplendent in purple and gold, Constantine made a ceremonial entrance at the opening of the Council, probably in early June, but respectfully seated the bishops ahead of himself."[4] As Eusebius describes, Constantine "himself proceeded through the midst of the assembly, like some heavenly messenger of God, clothed in raiment which glittered as it were with rays of light, reflecting the glowing radiance of a purple robe, and adorned with the brilliant splendor of gold and precious stones."[41] The emperor was present as an overseer and presider but did not cast any official vote. Constantine organized the Council along the lines of the Roman Senate. Hosius of Cordoba may have presided over its deliberations; he was probably one of the papal legates.[4] Eusebius of Nicomedia probably gave the welcoming address.[4][42]
 
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Would a Leader of a religious body "Pope Francis", who endorses same sex unions, would this be considered "Theological Liberalism"?

NewYorkPost

Catholic leaders condemn Pope Francis’ endorsement of same-sex unions

October 23, 2020 12:56pm

“Homosexuals have a right to be a part of the family. They’re children of God and have a right to a family,” Francis says.
More of your idiocy . . .

Francis
has NEVER taught that same sex unions were a good thing.

As a matter of fact, on March 15t, 2021, h the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith released a dubium which is a response to a question. The document was also signed off by Pope Francis said that, “No, not only does the church not do this, it CANNOT do this.”

In fact, Einstein – Pope Francis’s only “supportive” comments on homosexuals were his statements that like every other sinner they have “a right to be part of a family” because we are ALL children of God and “Nobody should be thrown out or be made miserable because of it.”
He has vehemently spoken out against adoptions by homosexual couples.

PLEASE do your homework.
I’m embarrassed for you . . .
 

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More of your idiocy . . .

Francis
has NEVER taught that same sex unions were a good thing.

As a matter of fact, on March 15t, 2021, h the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith released a dubium which is a response to a question. The document was also signed off by Pope Francis said that, “No, not only does the church not do this, it CANNOT do this.”

In fact, Einstein – Pope Francis’s only “supportive” comments on homosexuals were his statements that like every other sinner they have “a right to be part of a family” because we are ALL children of God and “Nobody should be thrown out or be made miserable because of it.”
He has vehemently spoken out against adoptions by homosexual couples.

PLEASE do your homework.
I’m embarrassed for you . . .
God's words concerning homosexuality, are they "Children Of God" as Pope Francis claims?

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Romans 1:26-32KJV
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
 

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Roman Emperor Constatine is the father of your religion, he established the Vatican in Rome, and he enforced civil punishment at the wishes of Constatines clergy, thus (State Church)

In 325 AD Constantine invited 1800 bishops to the council of Nicaea all expenses paid, only 318 showed up. Yes the true Church 1482 bishops stayed away from the false religious persecutors in Rome, they were well aware of its evils

Jesus Is The Lord

Wikipedia: First Council Of Nicaea
Constantine had invited all 1,800 bishops of the Christian church within the Roman Empire (about 1,000 in the East and 800 in the West), but a smaller and unknown number attended. Eusebius of Caesarea counted more than 250,[22] Athanasius of Alexandria counted 318,[11] and Eustathius of Antioch estimated "about 270"[23] (all three were present at the Council). Later, Socrates Scholasticus recorded more than 300,[24] and Evagrius,[25] Hilary of Poitiers,[26] Jerome,[27] Dionysius Exiguus,[28] and Rufinus[29] each recorded 318. This number 318 is preserved in the liturgies of the Eastern Orthodox Church[30] and the Coptic Orthodox Church.[31] For some, the number is suspicious as it is the number of Abraham's servants in Genesis 14:14, and there was a polemical reason for the Nicene Fathers to imply that they were servants of Abraham, the father of the Faith.[32]

Delegates came from every region of the Roman Empire and from the Christian churches extant within the Sassanid Empire.[33] The participating bishops were given free travel to and from their episcopal sees to the Council, as well as lodging.

"Resplendent in purple and gold, Constantine made a ceremonial entrance at the opening of the Council, probably in early June, but respectfully seated the bishops ahead of himself."[4] As Eusebius describes, Constantine "himself proceeded through the midst of the assembly, like some heavenly messenger of God, clothed in raiment which glittered as it were with rays of light, reflecting the glowing radiance of a purple robe, and adorned with the brilliant splendor of gold and precious stones."[41] The emperor was present as an overseer and presider but did not cast any official vote. Constantine organized the Council along the lines of the Roman Senate. Hosius of Cordoba may have presided over its deliberations; he was probably one of the papal legates.[4] Eusebius of Nicomedia probably gave the welcoming address.[4][42]
Pagan Rome was eviul. If nothine else, however - the Romans kept meticulous records - as did the Church.

I OPENLY CHALLENGE you - in front of EVERYBODY here to produce the document that promuldate the creation of the Church by Constantine. Try NOT tpo get hit qith a bolt of lightning when you read the following from FIRST century Bichop, Ignatius of Antioch:

Ignatius of Antioch

Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole EUCHARIST you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the CATHOLIC CHURCH (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).
Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

In like manner let everyone respect the deacons as they would respect Jesus Christ, and just as they respect the bishop as a type of the Father, and the presbyters as the council of God and college of the apostles. Without these, it cannot be called a Church. I am confident that you accept this, for I have received the exemplar of your love and have it with me in the person of your bishop. His very demeanor is a great lesson and his meekness is his strength. I believe that even the godless do respect him (Letter to the Trallians 3:1-2 [A. D. 11070]).


Follow your Bishop . . .
Obey your Clergy . . .

The Eucharist . . .
The CATHOLIC Chuech . . .


Gee - WHAY Church does THAT sound like, Einstein??

The Sunday school teacher at your local anti-Catholic faction failed to teach you properly. There was ALREADY a Catholic church and 32 Popes occupying the Chair of Peter, PRIOR to this Council, Pope Sylvester was too sick to make the trip and sent 2 emissaries to the Council.

I'll wait right here for your documented evidence . . .
 
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God's words concerning homosexuality, are they "Children Of God" as Pope Francis claims?

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Romans 1:26-32KJV
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Since you obviously have NEVER acually read the Bible - I'll ediucate you again . . .

ALL are God's chilkdren. Some are failful and som go astray. Have youu NEVER read the Parable of the Prodigal Son??
Are you completely ignorant of John 3:16 and 1 Tim. 2:4??

Enough with the embarrassiungly-ignorant posts and crack popen a BIBLE, for a chaange , , ,
 

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Truth7t7 said:
Roman Emperor Constatine is the father of your religion, he established the Vatican in Rome, and he enforced civil punishment at the wishes of Constatines clergy, thus (State Church)

Why is Constantine not mentioned in any of the councils canons?
Any kind of punishment over any religion was abolished by the Edict of Milan 12 years before the Council of Nicae. According to your logic, Constantine would have to arrest himself for violating his own laws.
The Vatican wasn't established as a city-state until 1929.

  1. If Constantine started the Catholic Church, then it would, therefore, seem to follow that Constantine himself was a Catholic Christian. This was not the case. Constantine (possibly) was not be baptized into the faith until he was on his deathbed on May 22, 337 A.D. (SEE ALSO: Was Constantine Baptized an Arian).
  2. For Christianity to become the official religion of the Roman Empire, would require an Edict. The Edict of Milan, which was issued by Constantine and Licinius (as noted above) only put Christians on equal footing with all the other recognized religions in the Roman Empire; granting the same religious freedom that was already being extended to the pagans and Jews. It would not be until 392 A.D. when Emperor Theodosius removed government support from the old Roman pagan religions and established the Christian Faith (Catholicism) as the sole religion of the empire. but not to the exclusion of anyone else.
13 Logical Problems with the Constantine Founder Myth:

Those who posit that Constantine founded the Catholic Church either with the Edict of Milan or by calling together the First Council of Nicaea are unable prove their claim. There is no documentation from that time, either explicit or implicit by historian or theologian that even hints that such an event transpired or was the intention of Constantine or the bishops of the Catholic Church to transpire.

This story, most famously told by Jehovah Witnesses and Fundamentalist Protestants, came out of their necessity to support their lie that there was an apostasy in the early Church. It is their way to explain how their reform and late arrival is justifiable. The myth is that because the Church of the Apostles fell in to apostasy, a remnant of the true and orthodox believers of Jesus remained hidden from and often persecuted by the Catholic Church until THEY brought the reform and true faith back. Prior the rise of Protestantism, no one ever dared to tell this lie. Only in the space of the unintelligent, uncurious, and hostile can such a myth and lie bear fruit.

 
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"Quointessence'?
"Epitome?"
"Craven Cowarduce'?


I hopr you didn't hurt yourself thumbing through the dictonary . . .
Unfortunately, your first sentence above illustrates yoir grammatic ineptitude - because "Context" isn't a verb, Einstein.

As to your false accusatins of "abomination", simply dust off that family Bible that you obviously NEVER read - because it's time for another Bible Lesson about Christ's Church . . .

- The Church is the Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).

- Jesus said that HE is the Light of the World (John 8:12).
Jesus also said that His Church is the Light of the world (Matt. 5:14).

- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6).- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).

- Giving His Church Supreme earthly Authorit, Jesus told the leaders of His Church that WHATEVER THEY bound or loosed on earth would ALSO be bound and loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).

- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).

- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

- Jesus said about his Church: “Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME" (Luke 10:16).


Bottom line, son - the Church - and moreover, the Pope has the Authority of Christ on earth.
Your denial of this is a denial of Scripture . . .
"Quointessence'
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The risible gibberish of an illiterate fool.

Thanks for the guffaw. Someone who can't open their dictonary certainly doesn't know what verb is.


Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

And to no one else.

Cease your abominable desecrating heretical blasphemies.
 
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God's words concerning homosexuality, are they "Children Of God" as Pope Francis claims?
Pope Francis has never endorsed homosexual behavior.
“I am glad that we are talking about ‘homosexual people’ because before all else comes the individual person, in his wholeness and dignity. And people should not be defined only by their sexual tendencies: let us not forget that God loves all his creatures and we are destined to receive his infinite love.”

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The risible gibberish of an illiterate fool.
Thanks for the guffaw. Someone who can't open their dictonary certainly doesn't know what verb is.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
And to no one else.

Cease your abominable desecrating heretical blasphemies.
And there you go again making a foolish argument based in your Scriptural illiteracy.
Time you take you out to the Scriptural woodshed, son . . .

YOU pointed to Matt. 28:18, where Jesus said:
“ALL Authority Heaven and on earth y has been given to me.”
Then, you stupidly added: And to NO ONE else”

Since you probably DON’T own one – borrow a Bible from somebody and turn to John 16.
This is what Jesus told the leaders of His Church the night before He died:

John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
EVERYTHING THAT THE FATHER HAS IS MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.


EVERYTHING that the Father has, the Son ALSO has – and now, His CHURCH has.

Now, turn to Matt. 16 yo read what He told Peter . . .
Matt 16:18-19

And so I say to YOU, you are Peter (Kepha), and upon this rock (Kepha) I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."


We’re not done yet – so turn to Luke 10:16 . . .
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

Think about the following passage and TRY to understand what is happening here . . .

John 20:21-23
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent ME, so I send YOU.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained.”

WHAT did the Father send the Son to do??
Answer:
To bring about the FIRGIVENESS of sins. And now, Jesus TRASFERS that power onto the leaders of His CHURCH.

Only TWO times in ALL of Scripture does God “breathe” on man:
- The first time is when He breathed LIFE into Adam.
- The second time was here in John 20, where He gives the leaders of His Church the power to FORIGE or RETAIN sins.

As for your assault on any TYPOs I made – thanks for illustrating just how impotent and Scripturally-bankrupt your position is.
Consider yourself Biblically-SPANKED . . .
 
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And there you go again making a foolish argument based in your Scriptural illiteracy.
Time you take you out to the Scriptural woodshed, son . . .

YOU pointed to Matt. 28:18, where Jesus said:
“ALL Authority Heaven and on earth y has been given to me.”
Then, you stupidly added: And to NO ONE else”

Since you probably DON’T own one – borrow a Bible from somebody and turn to John 16.
This is what Jesus told the leaders of His Church the night before He died:

John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
EVERYTHING THAT THE FATHER HAS IS MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.


EVERYTHING that the Father has, the Son ALSO has – and now, His CHURCH has.

Now, turn to Matt. 16 yo read what He told Peter . . .
Matt 16:18-19

And so I say to YOU, you are Peter (Kepha), and upon this rock (Kepha) I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."


We’re not done yet – so turn to Luke 10:16 . . .
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

Think about the following passage and TRY to understand what is happening here . . .

John 20:21-23
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent ME, so I send YOU.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained.”

WHAT did the Father send the Son to do??
Answer:
To bring about the FIRGIVENESS of sins. And now, Jesus TRASFERS that power onto the leaders of His CHURCH.

Only TWO times in ALL of Scripture does God “breathe” on man:
- The first time is when He breathed LIFE into Adam.
- The second time was here in John 20, where He gives the leaders of His Church the power to FORIGE or RETAIN sins.

As for your assault on any TYPOs I made – thanks for illustrating just how impotent and Scripturally-bankrupt your position is.
Consider yourself Biblically-SPANKED . . .
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FORIGE
TRASFERS
FIRGIVENESS


More illiterate gibberish from your dictonary.

Matt 16:18-19
And so I say to YOU, you are Peter (petros), and upon this Rock (Petra)

Peter the pebble.
Christ the Rock.


Corrected it for you.

Go read your Codex Vaticanus.
 
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