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I am sorry but I have to disagree with you....when Jesus cast the demons out of the lunatic He asked them what their name was....they replied Legion for we are many....then they begged Him not to cast them into the abyss....so Jesus cast them into the herd of swine. They can speak, they can evoke emotions...(spirit of fear, anger, depression), they are cunning, divisive and follow the commands of satan. When they are cast out of a person they later return and if the house from which they came is empty they bring their buddies and bring 7 worse demons with them. They know Jesus has all power and authority over them and at the Name of Jesus they have to flee. They can put thoughts in your head....they are able to recognize weaknesses and use them against us.
ok then go with that if you like, but i suggest spirits are being personified for purposes of illustration, and a couple of other reasons. i don't mean to say that they aren't real, and imo they might even take on "a life of their own," but this...extremely literal view has some holes that imo you will not be able to fill--particularly this "they can put thoughts in your head" stuff--even though that pov is the most widely held i guess, etc. I'll be back with some thought bubbles maybe. Meanwhile, don't be handling any poisonous snakes imagining you won't get hurt ok, bc that doesn't work either. Doesn't mean the Scripture isn't true though
 

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the wolf dressed in sheeps clothing (satan)
wadr you are even doing it right here, see; wolves in sheep's clothes are ppl in Scripture.

and fwiw snakes have a diff meaning to us now than then too i guess; we read "snake" and think "evil," but that was not what would have been evoked then i guess.
 

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I would think that are one of them that hates Fr John Corapi and Humanae Vitae of Pope Paul 6.

Do you know that the world has only one problem and that is Sin, if you address that you have hope, if you don't then you have no hope.

White man indeed, did this or that, what a joke ! that just goes to show how foolish people are.

Just who do you think who were the power behind the KKK, just some dumb bunch of schmucks.

Blacks were given land and had black slaves as well and treated them like the worst of the whites did, do you know that.

It's Socialist brainwashing dribble and the far right real wealthy people who are the cause of the real problems, just a holes who have been undermining the USA leading it astray for years with a $ 21 Trillion in debt.
Yes when ever you talk to a socialist they mainly can't count past there fingers and toes, so it means nothing to them, when or if the USA defaults on it's loan, just see what happens, it will be hell on earth great depression time and millions will starve to death and we know who to point the finger on, all the leaches and Vampires.
tell us how you really feel Reg :)
but srsly you might have a look at your eye there wadr
 
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Oh is do study the Bible I can assure you of that.
The thing is Stranger that you are only a follower of things only taught to you and you can not fathom much by yourself, I see this type a lot.

God has established his chosen, they are not a Nation but a people and they are what's called Born Again of the Holy Spirit, they are Israel and that means the Servants of God.
There is only one thing one has to do in this world and that is to serve Jesus Christ only first and foremost in your life and reject stupid childish Idol worship like so called Jews that in fact are not truly Jews at all.

Jesus is the only light of the world and that's a fact, so called Zionist Talmud Jews will never cut it at all, but will be just like the Nazis killing billons of people for there Satanic Socialist BS of mans works. oh they want the kingdom but they sure don't want Jesus Christ in it and that's a fact that a 5yo could work out.

The question marks are there for you to work out, you should know them as any true Christian will know what is meant, because it's a Biblical passage you know.

Understanding the truth of God's purpose with Israel is not worshiping the Jews. Understanding distinction between Israel and the Church is not worshiping Jews. It is understanding the truth as taught in the Bible.

Your comparison of the Kingdom to socialist bs is incorrect. I'm not sure where you get that idea. One could say you reject the millennium because it is ruled by a dictator. Well, it is. That Dictator is Christ.

I do know them. I just don't play games too well.

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For 6000 years Satan, our adversary, and Jesus’ arch enemy, has waged relentless war against God’s people. When Jesus was here in person, Satan attacked Him viciously, constantly, unrelentingly, culminating at Calvary. When Jesus arose from the grave, much to Satan’s horror, he continued his attacks, but because Jesus was personally out of reach, Satan targeted his attacks against those who remained, Christ’s ambassadors or representatives, the church. The nation of Israel, for so long Satan’s prime focus because it was the nation, or more specifically the tribe of Judah and even more specifically the family of David, that was to be the vehicle for the birth of the Messiah. Throughout the OT we see Satan’s attempts to wipe out the root, that the fruit could not result. Particularly we see this in his targeting of the family of David, and his constant temptations to false worship, knowing that God’s wrath and discipline would result in their destruction. The story of Solomon’s idolatry, the dividing of the nation, and the ensuing war between Rehoboam and Jereboam, are a glowing example. Yet God in His mercy preserved a remnant. There has always been a remnant that has been the recipients and keepers of the truth. Israel though, after rejecting Christ, were themselves rejected as God’s “chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel” (Acts 9:15.) Paul, among others, were now the chosen vessel. God’s people were no longer recognized as a nation, but as a church.
So take a look at history. Was Satan aware of this change in paradigm? Absolutely! He knew very well who his most dangerous foe now was. It was those who now knew the truth of God’s love as revealed in the gospels. His attacks were directed against first, God’s people, and second, against God’s word. The former religious elite of the nation of Israel were Satan’s first
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agents in his attacks against the church. Then pagan Rome became his chief weapon, and after the failure of violence to quell the growth of the church, raised up a false Christian edifice, began to attack the scriptures and the peoples’ access to them, and introduced a raft of false doctrines, creeds, and superstitions that had a huge effect upon the church, and literally tens of thousands were seduced and beguiled by the sophistries of the Roman clergy that inherited the thrones of the Caesars. The little horn that had grown from the head of the 4th beast of Daniel 7 was growing powerful and by the 4th and 5th centuries was demanding all churches everywhere to submit to papal authority. Satan was at last finding far greater success with deception than he had with blatant persecution.
However, there were pockets of resistance. The Celtic church in Britain and Ireland; the churches of Africa, India, and Asia; and the Waldenses of the Piedmont on the papal doorstep retained the truth in Christ and taught the gospel as it was handed down to them from the apostles. They had the scriptures in an unadulterated form, not based on the Gnostic ramblings of Alexandria, and subsequently to the Latin Vulgate of Jerome, but upon the Syraic translations of Lucian of Antioch. These truth bearers were having a powerful impact on paganism wherever they went. In Europe however, where the papacy had far greater influence and where she had the ears of the kings and queens that had surrendered their authority and sovereignty to Rome, these agents of truth found bitter and violent opposition. Satan was not about to relinquish his hold on the minds and the hearts of his deceived subjects so readily. Violence was once again brought to bear, and terrible was the resulting horrors. The inquisitions, the crusades, and
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so in Europe claimed it is said at least 50 million lives of those who would not bow their knee to Baal.
1000 years of war, both of a spiritual nature and physical, dominated history throughout the European theatre. Those who clung to the truth, who trusted in Christ and refused to surrender to Roman authority, paid for their fidelity with their lives. Their blood now lies in the earth, but bears powerful witness to those who remained to testify to Rome’s wickedness, and to Rome’s true identity as the Antichrist. Every reformer and leader of the reformation were unanimous in their condemning the papacy as the little horn, the man of sin. They, with courage that testified to God’s power within, exposed Rome’s errors, revealing to the world how the inheritor to the throne of the Roman pontiffex maximus, had replaced Christ as sole mediator, had introduced a system that usurped the true gospel, and had become Satan’s chief agent in his war against Christ. And the target? Truth, and those who would dare proclaim it.
The reformation became a powerful force, in fact so powerful that the council of Trent was primarily established to find a way to counter the tidal wave of truth that was even then, in the 16th century, threatening to engulf Rome. Another force was established to counter Protestantism at that time, and that was the Jesuits. Their sole purpose then, and remains so to this day, is to destroy Protestantism, or return such to submit once again to papal authority. Thus it was that while Rome could not deny the scriptural truths that supported Protestant identification of the Roman Antichrist, she realised she must devise some way to defuse these powerful arguments in such a way that sound logical, reasonable, and be acceptable to those who had little or no Biblical understanding. It was two Jesuits, sworn to overturn Protestant truth, that found a way. One established preterism, another futurism.
You see, the Protestant Reformers knew for certain that in the prophetic flow of time, the lion (Babylon), the bear (Persia), the leopard (Greece), and the dragon (Rome) had already ruled the world. They also knew that Rome had been divided into ten kingdoms when the barbarians carved up the empire. They knew all too well that the predicted Antichrist was to arise among these ten kingdoms of Western Europe. They saw clearly and distinctly that they were living in the time period of the little horn. The historicist hermeneutical method made it quite simple. A correct understanding of Bible prophecy gave them the unmistakable mandate to unmask this system which had usurped the prerogatives of Christ and adulterated the truth of God!!
 
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When Luther wrote his book, To the German Nobility, his friends, fearing for his safety, asked him to suppress it. To this request Luther replied: “We here are of the conviction that the Papacy is the seat of the true Antichrist. . . . personally I declare that I owe to the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist.”

Two months after Luther made this statement, his book, On the Babylonian Captivity of the Church [notice that he is referring to the papacy as Babylon], was published. In it, Luther spoke of the papacy as “nothing else than the kingdom of Babylon and of very Antichrist. . . . For who is the man of sin and the son of perdition, but he who by his teaching and his ordinances increases the sin and perdition of souls in the church; while he yet sits in the church as if he were God? All these conditions have now for many ages been fulfilled by the papal tyranny.” In 1540, Luther wrote: “Oh, Christ, my Lord, look down upon us and bring upon us thy day of judgment, and destroy the brood of Satan in Rome. There sits the Man, of whom the apostle Paul wrote (2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4) that will oppose and exalt himself above God and exalts his own above the commandments of God.”

Concerning the Man of Sin, Luther affirmed that the Antichrist “sitteth not in a stable of fiends, or in a swine-sty, or in a company of infidels, but in the highest and holiest place of all, namely, in the temple of God. . . .Is not this to sit in the temple of God, to profess himself to be the Ruler in the whole church? What is the temple of God? Is it stones and wood? Did not Paul say, “The temple of God is holy, which temple you are?” To sit—what is it but to reign, to teach, and to judge? Who from the beginning of the church has dared to call himself master of the whole church but the Pope alone? None of the saints, none of the heretics ever uttered so horrible a word of pride.”

Luther was not alone in testifying to this. He wasn't the first, and he wasn't the last. Yet today we have countless leaders of Protestantism who with their futurist hermeneutic pretend none of this happened. A thousand years of vital history in the lives of millions of martyrs for the faith and revealing Satan’s craftiness and cunning and deceptions, is cast aside as if God didn’t know it was going to happen and left it out of prophecy. Jumping from pagan Rome to a yet unfulfilled future, over a thousand years of essential Christian history is trampled upon as if of no account. And by adopting Rome’s own creation modern theologians have effectively hidden the Antichrist from view in favour of conjecture and guesswork.
And not only so, but the real and very dangerous error of distorting and twisting the truth of who the true focus and target of Satan’s lies and deceptions. That is the church, not the nation of Israel. And through futurism our attention is diverted away from the true source of the coming crisis. We are directed to look at the middle east. To some future overlord who will enter the political scene with guns blazing wreaking havoc and vengeance against Israel. And while everyone takes the bait, bait cast out by Rome 400 years ago in the form of futurism, hook, line, sinker, and boat, Rome quietly is working throughout the world to return her wayward daughters to herself. Mother has put out the call to come home, and Protestants by the droves are responding.

Why would Satan, after 6000 years of focused malevolent and concerted war against God’s people, suddenly take a left turn and attack a nation that no longer has any relevance to God’s purposes in taking the gospel to the world, leaving the church to continue its mission unmolested? No folks, Revelation informs us that the whole world will be deceived into submitting to the Antichrist. This includes the vast majority of Christians who in their ignorance of scripture and their blind sheep-like following of their equally deceived pastors and teachers, are searching the horizon in vain expectation of a coming warlord to attack Israel while leaning over the back fence in apparent friendship is the true Antichrist wooing all to join her once again in passive submission to her traditions, superstitions, and heresies.
 

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Ah...so animals can be possessed by demons. I knew it!

Demons want to occupy flesh. People, usually, so they can give them lies and suggestions, and tempt them/egg them on. satan commands his fallen angels to do this.

I have read accounts where it was revealed that some witches/satanists have intentionally put demons into their pets.
 

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I swear, the mosquitoes up here in Northern Canada are demon possessed.

Ain't that the truth....
My husband says he feels so stupid when he takes the dog for a run...he takes off his shorts..puts on jeans...puts on the jacket with a hood...puts his hands in his pocket as he walks...he was so mad the other night he came home and showed me a bite on his wrist...just a little bit of skin was showing between his wrist and pocket ...and one of those wretched little things found it!!! :D

For sure they are demonized. Dave wonders how on earth a couple got on the Ark...he wants to talk to Noah about that!
 

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tell us how you really feel Reg :)
but srsly you might have a look at your eye there wadr
Oh you don't believe what I wrote, can't handle the truth 009 who do you think the KKK are they were organised and like any thing money is involved in it all, the same still goes on today against anyone who gets in the way of making money for real estate, I see it all the time.
The Governments State and Fed and Councils are as corrupted as they come and they play tricks where ever they can, you name it they have a hand in everything, playing there games.

If you think that the KKK was organised by just stupid backward racist morons you have to be joking, such were only used to do the work of there masters.

Blacks did have slaves you know as well they were educated and treated the slaves just like the whites did, so old chum the whole modern day spin is a great con job and I will inform you of the key to the problem, it is Sin ! and only Sin that is the key to every problem all people face, you have to deal with sin or you are lost to any hope.

The New Age Political Correctness gods do not identify Sin at all, they are just like the workings of man making up licence to Sin against God.

So you see we are dealing with the same idiot all the time in fact and it's Sin. nothing to do with colour or race at all, it's foundation is sin that is the problem.

Look at all the morons nowadays who have been brainwashed to think that white man was the problem, white man ? most of them were lead by who, just like most blacks were lead by who, just as today who is it that we are all lead by, have you ever thought of that.

Simpletons it what people nowadays are, just lead by the same old dip sticks spinning BS leading all astray, dividing the people for there own ends, only the worldly types can't see past there nose to pick up on it all.

Like I said understanding Sin is the key to all the problems with man and once you don't have a handle on it you are up the creek regardless who you are.
 

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Ain't that the truth....
My husband says he feels so stupid when he takes the dog for a run...he takes off his shorts..puts on jeans...puts on the jacket with a hood...puts his hands in his pocket as he walks...he was so mad the other night he came home and showed me a bite on his wrist...just a little bit of skin was showing between his wrist and pocket ...and one of those wretched little things found it!!! :D
he should get an outfit like mind
Not only is it stylish, but it's also practical.
 
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When Luther wrote his book, To the German Nobility, his friends, fearing for his safety, asked him to suppress it. To this request Luther replied: “We here are of the conviction that the Papacy is the seat of the true Antichrist. . . . personally I declare that I owe to the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist.”

Two months after Luther made this statement, his book, On the Babylonian Captivity of the Church [notice that he is referring to the papacy as Babylon], was published. In it, Luther spoke of the papacy as “nothing else than the kingdom of Babylon and of very Antichrist. . . . For who is the man of sin and the son of perdition, but he who by his teaching and his ordinances increases the sin and perdition of souls in the church; while he yet sits in the church as if he were God? All these conditions have now for many ages been fulfilled by the papal tyranny.” In 1540, Luther wrote: “Oh, Christ, my Lord, look down upon us and bring upon us thy day of judgment, and destroy the brood of Satan in Rome. There sits the Man, of whom the apostle Paul wrote (2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4) that will oppose and exalt himself above God and exalts his own above the commandments of God.”

Concerning the Man of Sin, Luther affirmed that the Antichrist “sitteth not in a stable of fiends, or in a swine-sty, or in a company of infidels, but in the highest and holiest place of all, namely, in the temple of God. . . .Is not this to sit in the temple of God, to profess himself to be the Ruler in the whole church? What is the temple of God? Is it stones and wood? Did not Paul say, “The temple of God is holy, which temple you are?” To sit—what is it but to reign, to teach, and to judge? Who from the beginning of the church has dared to call himself master of the whole church but the Pope alone? None of the saints, none of the heretics ever uttered so horrible a word of pride.”

Luther was not alone in testifying to this. He wasn't the first, and he wasn't the last. Yet today we have countless leaders of Protestantism who with their futurist hermeneutic pretend none of this happened. A thousand years of vital history in the lives of millions of martyrs for the faith and revealing Satan’s craftiness and cunning and deceptions, is cast aside as if God didn’t know it was going to happen and left it out of prophecy. Jumping from pagan Rome to a yet unfulfilled future, over a thousand years of essential Christian history is trampled upon as if of no account. And by adopting Rome’s own creation modern theologians have effectively hidden the Antichrist from view in favour of conjecture and guesswork.
And not only so, but the real and very dangerous error of distorting and twisting the truth of who the true focus and target of Satan’s lies and deceptions. That is the church, not the nation of Israel. And through futurism our attention is diverted away from the true source of the coming crisis. We are directed to look at the middle east. To some future overlord who will enter the political scene with guns blazing wreaking havoc and vengeance against Israel. And while everyone takes the bait, bait cast out by Rome 400 years ago in the form of futurism, hook, line, sinker, and boat, Rome quietly is working throughout the world to return her wayward daughters to herself. Mother has put out the call to come home, and Protestants by the droves are responding.

Why would Satan, after 6000 years of focused malevolent and concerted war against God’s people, suddenly take a left turn and attack a nation that no longer has any relevance to God’s purposes in taking the gospel to the world, leaving the church to continue its mission unmolested? No folks, Revelation informs us that the whole world will be deceived into submitting to the Antichrist. This includes the vast majority of Christians who in their ignorance of scripture and their blind sheep-like following of their equally deceived pastors and teachers, are searching the horizon in vain expectation of a coming warlord to attack Israel while leaning over the back fence in apparent friendship is the true Antichrist wooing all to join her once again in passive submission to her traditions, superstitions, and heresies.
The worldly are always against the Holy Spirit.
The flesh is always waring against the Holy Spirit.
God is the Holy Spirit.
All people are Gods people regardless of race, it's just that people choose to reject God in there lives, everyone knows who God is, even the Devil himself knew that when Jesus pointed it out to him.
People are just lead astray by evil forces desires and madness.
When one is astray from the Lord they are weak and it's this weakness that controls them, they have inferiority complexes that turn one way or another and they can be desperate to show others they are better than them = have more money have more possessions better looking you name it and they believe this nonsense is them, they measure them selves against others, it's a madness and it's just so sad to see just how miserable they truly are.
They are like a dog chasing it's tail or shadows. it's just pathetic. they just can not get off that treadmill. they are stuck in 1st gear of there own little world.

Jesus Christ came for all, he is the Holy Spirit and all need to come to him and drink freely of him, no one is cast out who comes too him.
The modern day State of Israel is a Lie a work of Satan, fact is all one had to do is come to Jesus Christ end of story, there is nothing more to it and if you do think that there is more to it then you are of the Anti-Christ.
The Modern day State claiming to be Israel is totally Anti-Christ, even a 5yo could work that out, it's a work of Satan, the one who leads the whole world astray.
So what do you think you do hey, there is Jesus Christ and who is this hey ! Jesus does not come back in the flesh, he comes back in his majesty, that's what coming in the Clouds means in fact.

We are going to see a demonstration of the works of man alright, it's here it's becoming Sodom. Political Correctness gods are going to control us all, just like such controlled the Nazis and the Communist, people will be come just a Number, like cattle and treated just as the Nazis and communist were, Slaves of the State.

Jesus Christ and his Church will come back after most people are wiped out on the earth and they will know what the works of man is truly all about, such is only slavery and oppression by evil of madmen possessed who fight against God.
Fact is the History of the Jews we can see that every failure was do to them rejecting God.

I am sure that what's on the cards is that more people will lead to die a death of starvation in the not to distant future or poisoned or can not have children due to the workings of Political Correctness type Nazis that are controlling the world nowadays, genetically modified foods are toxic and cause many problems, vaccinations are tampered with and drugs will have effects in ways down the track even with ones children and the proof is there for all to see.
 

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Your explanation of God's perfect will and acceptable will concerning the borders is as ridiculous as your constant rant of 'has God in Scripture ever regathered Israel back to the land after being scattered for disobedience'.
If a judge ordered me to "restore" to you the $100 that I stole from your wallet - and I only gave you a dollar - would you call that "restoration"? But, you insist that "Israel has been restored" though it is but a tiny 1/100th of its ancient size.
God gave the borders of the nation Israel. They have never been realized as yet. But they will be. That is His will, and that will be.
Well, them borders better hurry up and get established, because when Jesus comes back the entire planet is going to end up nothing but a burned up, desolate hunk of rock - for 1,000 years - after which God will make "a new heaven and a new Earth".
...you need to give the verses that your are addressing when discussing things.
It's not necessary to give a reference every time - technology has moved us past the tediousness of flipping pages in a Concordance.
Just like when you ignore the Scriptures I give and don't address them...it appears you have something to hide
If I ignore a verse, it is usually because the one posting it is deflecting away from the previous point I made.
For instance, this whole "cite the chapter and verse, please" thing seems to be a deflection from my previous point: that it doesn't make sense to claim Paul pronounced both "peace and mercy" but also "wrath...to the uttermost" and "unworthiness of eternal life" on what you claim is the SAME group of people - literal Israelites.

I never said the nation of Israel has been spiritually reborn.
I don't attributing Israel being "spiritually reborn" to anything you said, but if so, I meant "rebirth in 1949".
And, as I showed before, which you also just brush away as having been fulfilled in the return of the remnant from Babylon, that Israel will never cease from being a nation before God.
Yes, Israel exists today - as "Spiritual Israel" which belongs to Christ, in accordance with Galatians 3:29.
Thus, your constant rant, centered on no example of God bringing the Jews back to the land without their repentance, must be viewed alongside the promises that God will never forsake the nation of Israel
I don't rant. I repeat solid exegesis in the face of ludicrousness, such as "'Abraham's seed' of Galatians 3:29 doesn't refer to Israel." Good grief, if "Israel" is not "Abraham's seed", then who is?
You claim that Paul pronounced both "peace and mercy" and also "wrath...to the uttermost" and "unworthiness of eternal life" which caused Paul and the Christians to "turn to the Gentiles" - on the same group of people...on the same group of people? Blessing and cursing on the same group of people? This is a prime example of the level of inconsistency must be incorporated into your points in order to establish your position.
And His promises to her will be fulfilled.
The promises of God are "yea and amen" in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 1:20 KJV). You have to be in Christ Jesus in order to be "heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:29).
And note that God has promised to bring the Jews back to the land irregardless of their cooperation. (Jer. 16:14-16)
You claimed that verses should be viewed beside other verses, but you stubbornly refuse to view Jeremiah 16:14-16 alongside Jeremiah 29:10-14, which completely obliterates your claim that God didn't require repentance before Israel's return from the Babylonian captivity:

10 "For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
13 And ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.
So, you see, the movement of the nations will always be in accordance to what God is doing with Israel
And Jesus chose 12 disciples, there are 12 gates in New Jerusalem, 12 foundation stones, etc. There are many examples of God making transcendental application of the characteristics of Literal Israel to Spiritual Israel - the church. To ignore this is to too rigidly interpret Scripture.
 
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had me goin lol
No really, I meant that. Stranger's been kind for the most part, and I like discussing the issue with him. He's not going to convince me otherwise, but I'm gaining a deeper understanding for why people believe what they believe.
 
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Rudolfo Valentino!
Didja hear that he and his wife claimed to receive help from the "spirit world" with script ideas as well as with performances? Hard to believe that the demonic influence of Hollywood goes back to then, but Aleister Crowley says "acting is the best way to bring forth demonic possession" and that goes back to the Greeks and beyond.
 
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