No, Christians didn’t adopt the immortal soul from the Greeks

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There are those denominations who contend that Christians adopted the concept of the immortal soul from the Greeks. Ironically, they have no problems with adopting the use of allegory, which originates from Greek thought. There are many verses I could use to challenge such a position, but for the sake of brevity, I will restrict it to just two: one from the Old Testament and one from the New Testament.

It’s easy to dispel this accusation alone from the account of the Witch of Endor summoning the spirit or ghost of Samuel (1Sa 28). Whether it was actually the spirit of Samuel or a demon, trick, or hallucination is not what’s relevant. The point is, it clearly demonstrates that the ancient Israelites understood the concept of an immortal, disembodied spirit (soul) existing apart from the body by at least 1010 BC. This was well before Greek influence and Hellenization began around 332 BC and peaked from 175 to 167 BC in Judea.

In the New Testament, we find the story, or parable, spoken about by Jesus of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31). Again, whether it’s meant to be taken literally or figuratively is not what’s important. What is important is that the rich man and Lazarus are depicted as having souls that live on beyond the grave, just as the spirit of Samuel. If the concept of the immortal soul came from the Greeks, it wouldn’t explain why Jesus thought to include such pagan ideas in his sermon. It also doesn’t explain why he never refuted it as being a false pagan concept. In fact, nowhere in the Bible will you find such a repudiation.

Do similarities exist between the Greek concept of the immortal soul and the dominant Christian belief in an immortal soul? Sure, just as similarities can be found between the Hebrews’ understanding of the underworld, Sheol, and that of their Mesopotamian and Levantine neighbors. However, just because similarities exist does not prove borrowing. There are many biblical motifs, for example, that share similar themes with pagan motifs without adoption. Also, similarities don’t automatically invalidate something as untrue. The Genesis flood account mirrors the Chaldean flood tradition as told in the Epic of Gilgamesh. However, no one would accuse Moses, the supposed writer of Genesis, of adopting pagan flood traditions.

And while there are some Christian theologians who were in part influenced by Aristotle's understanding of the soul, such as Thomas Aquinas, it wasn’t without justification. Thomas Aquinas’ rationale was that even pagans could discover the truth through philosophical reasoning, and if something is true, it belongs to the Lord, no matter the source. Therefore, it wasn’t so much borrowing as arriving at similar conclusions. In the same way, many ancient Greek philosophers also came to believe in the existence of a supreme being, because it was reasonable and logical to do so. Yet, no one would argue that Christians got their ideas about God from the Greeks, and rightfully so.

Moreover, whatever similarities exist, there exists a multitude of differences. The Greeks may have believed in disembodied souls but not bodily resurrection like the Christians. Nor did Christians believe in eternal disembodied souls as the Greeks did. Likewise, the Egyptians believed in the concept of the soul, but it vastly differed from Christian belief. They believed the soul was comprised of multiple components, wasn't fully disembodied, and could even come back to the tomb to revisit the body and partake of food and drink offerings. So, to say that Christians got their ideas of the soul and the afterlife from the pagans ignores the major differences between them.

There is another explanation why the Old Testament writers focused so little on the soul and why there is a much bigger emphasis on the afterlife, heaven, and eternal rewards in the New Testament. It is due to progressive revelation. Not everything was revealed to the Old Testament saints. They didn't know, for instance, that the Messiah would be born of a virgin, though they were given hints. Nor did they foresee the church age or the inclusion of the gentiles. Such things would have been alien to them. Therefore, more was revealed to the New Testament writers, including greater insights into the soul and afterlife.
 
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In the New Testament, we find the story, or parable, spoken about by Jesus of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31). Again, whether it’s meant to be taken literally or figuratively is not what’s important. What is important is that the rich man and Lazarus are depicted as having souls that live on beyond the grave, just as the spirit of Samuel. If the concept of the immortal soul came from the Greeks, it wouldn’t explain why Jesus thought to include such pagan ideas in his sermon. It also doesn’t explain why he never refuted it as being a false pagan concept. In fact, nowhere in the Bible will you find such a repudiation.
The entire story of "The rich man and Lazarus" is a work of fiction, built around folk lore and little facts of common knowledge.

The ONLY factual truth about the story, is found in the last paragraph where Jesus points to a soon to be known fact for their day:
Luke 16 [31] And he [Jesus] said unto him, if they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
 

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The entire story of "The rich man and Lazarus" is a work of fiction, built around folk lore and little facts of common knowledge.

The ONLY factual truth about the story, is found in the last paragraph where Jesus points to a soon to be known fact for their day:
Luke 16 [31] And he [Jesus] said unto him, if they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
It is the punch line which matters because it's the point of the story.
 
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You are in error re the immortal soul.
Only God has immortality. 1 Timothy 6:16

Immortality is not merely living forever but being the source of life, self-existent, and uncreated. In that sense, only God is immortal. But does that preclude humans from having an immortal soul? I don't believe it does. We were created in His image. Obviously, that can't refer to our physical, mortal bodies, as God is neither physical nor mortal. It must then refer to those invisible, intrinsic, eternal attributes that make God who He is. That means we get to share in His immortality.

The entire story of "The rich man and Lazarus" is a work of fiction, built around folk lore and little facts of common knowledge.

Notice that I didn't argue for or against it; that wasn't the point here. I only posed a simple question: why, if it is a work of fiction, did Jesus include such imagery in his sermon?
 

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Immortality is not merely living forever but being the source of life, self-existent, and uncreated. In that sense, only God is immortal. But does that preclude humans from having an immortal soul? I don't believe it does. We were created in His image. Obviously, that can't refer to our physical, mortal bodies, as God is neither physical nor mortal. It must then refer to those invisible, intrinsic, eternal attributes that make God who He is. That means we get to share in His immortality.



Notice that I didn't argue for or against it; that wasn't the point here. I only posed a simple question: why, if it is a work of fiction, did Jesus include such imagery in his sermon?
As @quietthinker said: to bring about "the punch line".
.....neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
 

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Immortality is not merely living forever but being the source of life, self-existent, and uncreated. In that sense, only God is immortal. But does that preclude humans from having an immortal soul? I don't believe it does. We were created in His image. Obviously, that can't refer to our physical, mortal bodies, as God is neither physical nor mortal. It must then refer to those invisible, intrinsic, eternal attributes that make God who He is. That means we get to share in His immortality.
Yes, it precludes humans from being immortal.
Immortality will be a gift given to those in the first resurrection. Prior to that none are immortal. 1 Corinthians 15:53
 
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There are those denominations who contend that Christians adopted the concept of the immortal soul from the Greeks. Ironically, they have no problems with adopting the use of allegory, which originates from Greek thought. There are many verses I could use to challenge such a position, but for the sake of brevity, I will restrict it to just two: one from the Old Testament and one from the New Testament.

It’s easy to dispel this accusation alone from the account of the Witch of Endor summoning the spirit or ghost of Samuel (1Sa 28). Whether it was actually the spirit of Samuel or a demon, trick, or hallucination is not what’s relevant. The point is, it clearly demonstrates that the ancient Israelites understood the concept of an immortal, disembodied spirit (soul) existing apart from the body by at least 1010 BC. This was well before Greek influence and Hellenization began around 332 BC and peaked from 175 to 167 BC in Judea.

In the New Testament, we find the story, or parable, spoken about by Jesus of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31). Again, whether it’s meant to be taken literally or figuratively is not what’s important. What is important is that the rich man and Lazarus are depicted as having souls that live on beyond the grave, just as the spirit of Samuel. If the concept of the immortal soul came from the Greeks, it wouldn’t explain why Jesus thought to include such pagan ideas in his sermon. It also doesn’t explain why he never refuted it as being a false pagan concept. In fact, nowhere in the Bible will you find such a repudiation.

Do similarities exist between the Greek concept of the immortal soul and the dominant Christian belief in an immortal soul? Sure, just as similarities can be found between the Hebrews’ understanding of the underworld, Sheol, and that of their Mesopotamian and Levantine neighbors. However, just because similarities exist does not prove borrowing. There are many biblical motifs, for example, that share similar themes with pagan motifs without adoption. Also, similarities don’t automatically invalidate something as untrue. The Genesis flood account mirrors the Chaldean flood tradition as told in the Epic of Gilgamesh. However, no one would accuse Moses, the supposed writer of Genesis, of adopting pagan flood traditions.

And while there are some Christian theologians who were in part influenced by Aristotle's understanding of the soul, such as Thomas Aquinas, it wasn’t without justification. Thomas Aquinas’ rationale was that even pagans could discover the truth through philosophical reasoning, and if something is true, it belongs to the Lord, no matter the source. Therefore, it wasn’t so much borrowing as arriving at similar conclusions. In the same way, many ancient Greek philosophers also came to believe in the existence of a supreme being, because it was reasonable and logical to do so. Yet, no one would argue that Christians got their ideas about God from the Greeks, and rightfully so.

Moreover, whatever similarities exist, there exists a multitude of differences. The Greeks may have believed in disembodied souls but not bodily resurrection like the Christians. Nor did Christians believe in eternal disembodied souls as the Greeks did. Likewise, the Egyptians believed in the concept of the soul, but it vastly differed from Christian belief. They believed the soul was comprised of multiple components, wasn't fully disembodied, and could even come back to the tomb to revisit the body and partake of food and drink offerings. So, to say that Christians got their ideas of the soul and the afterlife from the pagans ignores the major differences between them.

There is another explanation why the Old Testament writers focused so little on the soul and why there is a much bigger emphasis on the afterlife, heaven, and eternal rewards in the New Testament. It is due to progressive revelation. Not everything was revealed to the Old Testament saints. They didn't know, for instance, that the Messiah would be born of a virgin, though they were given hints. Nor did they foresee the church age or the inclusion of the gentiles. Such things would have been alien to them. Therefore, more was revealed to the New Testament writers, including greater insights into the soul and afterlife.
The Hebrew word-Nephesh= the Greek word psykhe. The Hebrew word means breath--So we find bible truth at Genesis 2:27-- Given the breath of life man became a living soul))))). Not has a ghost like soul inside of one that goes to heaven.
 
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The Hebrew word-Nephesh= the Greek word psykhe. The Hebrew word means breath--So we find bible truth at Genesis 2:27-- Given the breath of life man became a living soul))))). Not has a ghost like soul inside of one that goes to heaven.
Lets bring it all to the point where "the rubber meets the road", which is a pun for the word "application".
Lev. 17[11] For the LIFE of the FLESH is in the BLOOD:.....

Are there any Doctors, Nurses, and/or Biologists out there, that might be able to say what it is that is in the blood that nourishes all the different cells of the flesh?

In all actuality, we can say that "the breath of life" is literally "in the blood".
 

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Lets bring it all to the point where "the rubber meets the road", which is a pun for the word "application".
Lev. 17[11] For the LIFE of the FLESH is in the BLOOD:.....

Are there any Doctors, Nurses, and/or Biologists out there, that might be able to say what it is that is in the blood that nourishes all the different cells of the flesh?

In all actuality, we can say that "the breath of life" is literally "in the blood".
Oxygen is in the blood, carried to all parts of ones body, brought in by breathing( breath). Many are taught one has a ghost like being( spirit, soul) inside of them that goes to God at death. I don't believe that is truth. The spirit that goes to God is more like-dna( not literal) but every aspect of what makes that individual what they are goes into Gods memory 100%. A simple thing for God. Afterall he calls every star he created by name, there are billions upon billions.
So in the resurrection, God makes each individual as they were( personality) but better physically( back to perfection)
 
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Immortality is not merely living forever but being the source of life, self-existent, and uncreated. In that sense, only God is immortal. But does that preclude humans from having an immortal soul? I don't believe it does. We were created in His image. Obviously, that can't refer to our physical, mortal bodies, as God is neither physical nor mortal. It must then refer to those invisible, intrinsic, eternal attributes that make God who He is. That means we get to share in His immortality.



Notice that I didn't argue for or against it; that wasn't the point here. I only posed a simple question: why, if it is a work of fiction, did Jesus include such imagery in his sermon?
The fact that God is Spirit and is immortal throws your logic out the window. God is the only immortal Spirit, which discounts abruptly your thesis on the body dying but the soul/Spirit being immortal. It isn't.
 
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Oxygen is in the blood, carried to all parts of ones body, brought in by breathing( breath). Many are taught one has a ghost like being( spirit, soul) inside of them that goes to God at death. I don't believe that is truth. The spirit that goes to God is more like-dna( not literal) but every aspect of what makes that individual what they are goes into Gods memory 100%. A simple thing for God. Afterall he calls every star he created by name, there are billions upon billions.
So in the resurrection, God makes each individual as they were( personality) but better physically( back to perfection)
Thank you for agreeing to the factual truth!!

Because no person who lived under the OC. ever had the permanent indwelling of God's Holy Spirit, we are shown exactly of how it was that God dealt with the death of his OC. saints, who died in faith believing in "the Promise that was to come".

Scripturally and spiritually, we should all agree that not until after the shedding of the innocent blood of Christ, could the Promise of the Gift of eternal life be permanently given (aka the Holy Spirit) .
Therefore, until that day arrived, all of God's faithful (under the OC) could only be "remembered" by Him. Malachi 3:16.
No one, prior to the mortal death of Christ, ever had eternal life/existence of any kind, whatsoever!!
Hence the reason why the repentant thief, who was still under the OC., requested: "Remember me when you come into your kingdom".

The fulfillment of that "Promise" to all the OC. saints, who waited in faith believing, finally arrived on the day of Christ's mortal death/resurrection, and then the giving of the Holy Spirit in the days of Pentecost.
We all can see that event of the OC saints, receiving their reward of "white robes" being given to each one, in Rev. 6:9-11, who are also known to be the symbolic 144,000 of OC. Israel.
Maybe now we all can know who they were that rose from their graves, after Jesus' death (and resurrection). Mat. 27:51-54.



Edit: All of who DO NOW believe in Jesus, ever since His resurrection, being both Jew and Gentile, are of the Great Multitude.
 
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Thank you for agreeing to the factual truth!!

Because no person who lived under the OC. ever had the permanent indwelling of God's Holy Spirit, we are shown exactly of how it was that God dealt with the death of his OC. saints, who died in faith believing in "the Promise that was to come".

Scripturally and spiritually, we should all agree that not until after the shedding of the innocent blood of Christ, could the Promise of the Gift of eternal life be permanently given (aka the Holy Spirit) .
Therefore, until that day arrived, all of God's faithful (under the OC) could only be "remembered" by Him. Malachi 3:16.
No one, prior to the mortal death of Christ, ever had eternal life/existence of any kind, whatsoever!!
Hence the reason why the repentant thief, who was still under the OC., requested: "Remember me when you come into your kingdom".

The fulfillment of that "Promise" to all the OC. saints, who waited in faith believing, finally arrived on the day of Christ's mortal death/resurrection, and then the giving of the Holy Spirit in the days of Pentecost.
We all can see that event of the OC saints, receiving their reward of "white robes" being given to each one, in Rev. 6:9-11, who are also known to be the symbolic 144,000 of OC. Israel.
Maybe now we all can know who they were that rose from their graves, after Jesus' death (and resurrection). Mat. 27:51-54.



Edit: All of who DO NOW believe in Jesus, ever since His resurrection, being both Jew and Gentile, are of the Great Multitude.
The little flock( Luke 12:32) are the 144,000( Rev 14:3) bought from the Earth, to serve as kings and priests on thrones as the bride of Christ. ( Rev 1:6-Rev 20:6)--This is not the great crowd( Rev 7:9, that no man can number= John 10:16= ( Other sheep who are not of that fold. These are promised Earth- Matthew 5:5, Psalm 37:9,11,29))))--Prov 2:21-22 shows they do not leave the Earth.
Its the Earth being transformed into Paradise during the 1000 year reign of Christ and his bride. Here at Rev 21:1=All things back to perfection. Gods kingdom rule in full control of all creation. Ruled by love, mercy, justice, forgiveness, etc. Man is made in that image.
 

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The little flock( Luke 12:32) are the 144,000( Rev 14:3) bought from the Earth, to serve as kings and priests on thrones as the bride of Christ. ( Rev 1:6-Rev 20:6)--This is not the great crowd( Rev 7:9, that no man can number= John 10:16= ( Other sheep who are not of that fold. These are promised Earth- Matthew 5:5, Psalm 37:9,11,29))))--Prov 2:21-22 shows they do not leave the Earth.
Its the Earth being transformed into Paradise during the 1000 year reign of Christ and his bride. Here at Rev 21:1=All things back to perfection. Gods kingdom rule in full control of all creation. Ruled by love, mercy, justice, forgiveness, etc. Man is made in that image.
So it's OK with you, that God forgot to "remember" (KJV Malachi 3:16) all of OC. Israel of faith, who lived and died "under" the OC. These are they who resurrected in the Day of the First Resurrection, who is Jesus!
KJV Mat. 27:51-54.

In Rev. 6:9-11, we can see that on that day of Jesus' death, they who WERE of OC Israel (symbolic 144k), having been "remembered" by God, arose from their graves, having THEN received God's Gift of His Holy Spirit, symbolized as "white robes".
No one could have the permanent indwelling of God's Holy Spirit, UNTIL AFTER the shedding of Christ's innocent blood.

The repent thief on the cross is the prime example.

Note: the book of Revelation should not be read/studied in chronological order.
 
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There are those denominations who contend that Christians adopted the concept of the immortal soul from the Greeks. Ironically, they have no problems with adopting the use of allegory, which originates from Greek thought. There are many verses I could use to challenge such a position, but for the sake of brevity, I will restrict it to just two: one from the Old Testament and one from the New Testament.

It’s easy to dispel this accusation alone from the account of the Witch of Endor summoning the spirit or ghost of Samuel (1Sa 28). Whether it was actually the spirit of Samuel or a demon, trick, or hallucination is not what’s relevant. The point is, it clearly demonstrates that the ancient Israelites understood the concept of an immortal, disembodied spirit (soul) existing apart from the body by at least 1010 BC. This was well before Greek influence and Hellenization began around 332 BC and peaked from 175 to 167 BC in Judea.

In the New Testament, we find the story, or parable, spoken about by Jesus of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31). Again, whether it’s meant to be taken literally or figuratively is not what’s important. What is important is that the rich man and Lazarus are depicted as having souls that live on beyond the grave, just as the spirit of Samuel. If the concept of the immortal soul came from the Greeks, it wouldn’t explain why Jesus thought to include such pagan ideas in his sermon. It also doesn’t explain why he never refuted it as being a false pagan concept. In fact, nowhere in the Bible will you find such a repudiation.

Do similarities exist between the Greek concept of the immortal soul and the dominant Christian belief in an immortal soul? Sure, just as similarities can be found between the Hebrews’ understanding of the underworld, Sheol, and that of their Mesopotamian and Levantine neighbors. However, just because similarities exist does not prove borrowing. There are many biblical motifs, for example, that share similar themes with pagan motifs without adoption. Also, similarities don’t automatically invalidate something as untrue. The Genesis flood account mirrors the Chaldean flood tradition as told in the Epic of Gilgamesh. However, no one would accuse Moses, the supposed writer of Genesis, of adopting pagan flood traditions.

And while there are some Christian theologians who were in part influenced by Aristotle's understanding of the soul, such as Thomas Aquinas, it wasn’t without justification. Thomas Aquinas’ rationale was that even pagans could discover the truth through philosophical reasoning, and if something is true, it belongs to the Lord, no matter the source. Therefore, it wasn’t so much borrowing as arriving at similar conclusions. In the same way, many ancient Greek philosophers also came to believe in the existence of a supreme being, because it was reasonable and logical to do so. Yet, no one would argue that Christians got their ideas about God from the Greeks, and rightfully so.

Moreover, whatever similarities exist, there exists a multitude of differences. The Greeks may have believed in disembodied souls but not bodily resurrection like the Christians. Nor did Christians believe in eternal disembodied souls as the Greeks did. Likewise, the Egyptians believed in the concept of the soul, but it vastly differed from Christian belief. They believed the soul was comprised of multiple components, wasn't fully disembodied, and could even come back to the tomb to revisit the body and partake of food and drink offerings. So, to say that Christians got their ideas of the soul and the afterlife from the pagans ignores the major differences between them.

There is another explanation why the Old Testament writers focused so little on the soul and why there is a much bigger emphasis on the afterlife, heaven, and eternal rewards in the New Testament. It is due to progressive revelation. Not everything was revealed to the Old Testament saints. They didn't know, for instance, that the Messiah would be born of a virgin, though they were given hints. Nor did they foresee the church age or the inclusion of the gentiles. Such things would have been alien to them. Therefore, more was revealed to the New Testament writers, including greater insights into the soul and afterlife.
A soul is not immortal until it puts on immortality (1 Cor. 15:53); and that happens when we are being born again. An unbeliever who dies apart from Christ is a lost soul, who goes to Hades ( Sheol). He does not put on Immortality. He receives punishment and judgment. At the end of time, Death, Hades( and everyone in it), the 1st heavens and 1st earth, Satan and his demons, all will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire. This event is described in 2 Peter 3:10. I realize this is not the traditional view of eternal hell, but realize when this happens,
"ALL former things have passed away". Rev. 21:1 & 4
That said, where is Hades? The underworld, below and or within the crust of the earth, the deep caverns with evidence of lava, fire and darkness. If the 1st earth is destroyed then so will Hades be destroyed.
 

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So it's OK with you, that God forgot to "remember" (KJV Malachi 3:16) all of OC. Israel of faith, who lived and died "under" the OC. These are they who resurrected in the Day of the First Resurrection, who is Jesus!
KJV Mat. 27:51-54.

In Rev. 6:9-11, we can see that on that day of Jesus' death, they who WERE of OC Israel (symbolic 144k), having been "remembered" by God, arose from their graves, having THEN received God's Gift of His Holy Spirit, symbolized as "white robes".
No one could have the permanent indwelling of God's Holy Spirit, UNTIL AFTER the shedding of Christ's innocent blood.

The repent thief on the cross is the prime example.

Note: the book of Revelation should not be read/studied in chronological order.
The first resurrection is the little flock only. The resurrection mentioned in Rev 20 occurs after the tribulation and Armageddon. It will be on Earth. But you see the 144,000 come with Jesus here at Rev 19:11-14, along with Gods armies of angels. So they are already resurrected to heaven.
 

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Yes, it precludes humans from being immortal.
Immortality will be a gift given to those in the first resurrection. Prior to that none are immortal. 1 Corinthians 15:53

That is problematic because many saints were also raised when Christ was raised (Mat 27:52).

The Hebrew word-Nephesh= the Greek word psykhe. The Hebrew word means breath--So we find bible truth at Genesis 2:27-- Given the breath of life man became a living soul))))). Not has a ghost like soul inside of one that goes to heaven.

You’re conflating the Nephesh and the soul (consciousness), but they are not the same. Animals are Nephesh too, but no one would argue we are the same as animals (1Co 15:39). There is something intrinsic about man that makes him unique from all living creatures. And there is nothing in scriptures that prevents that unique, intangible something from continuing on after bodily death. In fact, there are scriptural examples to the contrary:

2Co 5:8 “…to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”

Jon 2:2 "Out of the belly of Sheol I cried, and you heard my voice."

Mat 10:28 “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul (psyche)…”

Rev 6:9-10 “When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

The fact that God is Spirit and is immortal throws your logic out the window. God is the only immortal Spirit, which discounts abruptly your thesis on the body dying but the soul/Spirit being immortal. It isn't.

Angels are immortal spirits too, which throws your logic out the window.

A soul is not immortal until it puts on immortality (1 Cor. 15:53); and that happens when we are being born again. An unbeliever who dies apart from Christ is a lost soul, who goes to Hades ( Sheol). He does not put on Immortality.

I don’t believe that is accurate. Scriptures suggest that both the saved and unsaved will be resurrected:

Dan 12:2 “And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.”

Jhn 5:28-29 “Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
 

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John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. This Bible verse says that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but those who don't believe in Him will perish. Jesus saved us from the second death, not the second dying.
 

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That is problematic because many saints were also raised when Christ was raised (Mat 27:52).
This is true....however, God is not beholden to the general direction of how it is explained by Paul. God also raised Moses and Elijah with Enoch never saw death. These are exceptions.....and why not? it doesn't oppose what Paul revealed for the majority.
 

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A soul is not immortal until it puts on immortality (1 Cor. 15:53); and that happens when we are being born again. An unbeliever who dies apart from Christ is a lost soul, who goes to Hades ( Sheol). He does not put on Immortality. He receives punishment and judgment. At the end of time, Death, Hades( and everyone in it), the 1st heavens and 1st earth, Satan and his demons, all will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire. This event is described in 2 Peter 3:10. I realize this is not the traditional view of eternal hell, but realize when this happens,
"ALL former things have passed away". Rev. 21:1 & 4
That said, where is Hades? The underworld, below and or within the crust of the earth, the deep caverns with evidence of lava, fire and darkness. If the 1st earth is destroyed then so will Hades be destroyed.
An UNBELIEVER . exactly my friend .
And now time for a trivia question to this generation of christendom.
Hey christains , DO WE BELEIVE GOD or satan .
Hey christains , DO WE BELEIVE JESUS CHRIST or anti christ .
DO WE BELIEVE THE GOSPEL or not .
Now i know many will say they do . But it can easily be proven they do not .
How so you might ask .
Ask them two questions . FIRST ask them DO you BELIEVE the GOSPEL .
The one true gospel that says
YE MUST BELEIVE FROM THE HEART that GOD rose CHRIST from the dead , and confess HIM by mouth .
Now many will say yes .
BUT THEN ask them , so what about all the other religoins . AND YE SHALL SEE THEY BELEIVE ONLY IN UNBELIEF
as they give them a pass and say things like OH if they loved GOD or etc and loved their neighbor they okay .
FAT LIE . PROOF one beleives ONLY IN UNBELIEF .
because I KNOW I BELIEVE THE GOSPEL . AND MY ANSWER IS I KNOW THEY MUST REPENT TO BELIEVE ON HIM
or perish they will . I dont preach and claim beleif and then turn around and preach UNBELEIF to them false religions .
GET EVERY MAN WOMAN AND CHILD OUTTA them anti christ ecumeincal intefaith churches RIGHT NOW .
 
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