No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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Are you a universalist ? Because drawing is the beginning of salvation, the all there are being saved by Christ.
Active voice verbs. They do it. It's not done for them, done to them. The one who believes, the one who receives, they are the one doing the act.
This single verse fully refutes your assertion by it's grammar. So if you care about what the Bible says, this is what it says.
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You'll need to re-examine your foundation, because in truth, Jesus said this. That if He be lifted up (crucified) He would draw all men to Himself. Yes, He really said this.
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Rockerduck
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God does draw all men to Himself, through Jesus Christ. The problem is those who reject the call. I know that to be a fact. People reject the drawing. I know some, and they still refuse, I also knew a few who adamantly said they would only confess on their death bed, not before, but they never did then either. I am still an evangelist, and I'm still pushing people.
Nothing about freewill, that would contradict Jn 6:44 And the new man does actively believe when he has been saved/drawn
Thats salvation through His death. The Drawing is the application of the salvation His death provided for them all. The all doesnt include lost people going to perish
The problem for some (not you) is they read "all" as if Christ means all without exception! But we know that cannot be true because if it is then every human would be drawn to Christ and salvation would be universal. When one realizes the Bible NEVER says that ALL of mankind shall be called and saved, but ALL or every man without DISTINCTION called to Him shall be eternally saved. IOW both Jew and Gentile (all) since the advent of Christ, or whosoever among mankind who believes in Christ shall be saved. In times of Old, before the advent of Christ, one must be born a Jew or convert to Judaism through circumcision or marriage if they desired to obtain eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. The cross of Christ calls all people, whosoever, among Jew & Gentile alike may hear through the power of God and turn to Christ in repentance believing unto eternal life through Him.
I don't understand what you mean here. You said only those drawn by God could be saved, and not all were drawn, and I've pointed out that this changed at the cross. Once Jesus was crucified, He would draw All men to Himself.
Things changed at the cross. So maybe only certain ones could be saved before the cross, but not after, after, it is opened to all. Jesus would draw all men to Himself.
Some still reject, but that's on them.
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You are dancing all over the map! Answer one, you are off to another. Answer that, and on to another. Answer that, and back to the first.
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John 1:11-13 KJV
11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
These are Active Voice verbs, something the person themself does. If God did it for them it would have to be written in Passive Voice verbs to be true.
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11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
These are Active Voice verbs, something the person themself does. If God did it for them it would have to be written in Passive Voice verbs to be true.
Much love!
John 12:31-33 KJV
31) Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33) This he said, signifying what death he should die.
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amigo de christo
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This generation would do well to look at one of the final reminders given near the end of the book known as revelation .
AND LET WHO SO EVER WILL , COME .
this sheep sticking to preaching JESUS and reminding all of the absolute dire need TO BELEIVE ON HIM .
This lamb dont follow the RCC , calvin or scores of others gone wrong
If the cross of Christ draws all of humanity without exception, why isn't all of humanity without exception eternally saved? All is NOT without exception, but ALL without distinction! No longer would Christ the Messiah foretold of Old to come be limited to Jews only. Since the advent of Christ WHOSOEVER BELIEVES (Jew & Gentile alike) shall be eternally saved. And that salvation according to Scripture is by God's grace through faith that is the gift of God to those who believe in Christ. Salvation has never been by free will!
Salvation is of God alone who gives (not offers) us power to become the sons of God, to them that believe on His name! Born again, not of blood, nor the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God.
John 1:12-13 (KJV) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Drawing is not saving. Jesus draws all men, exactly as written, but men must believe and receive, again, exactly as written.
The very passage you quote shows the person is the one who believes, and who receives. These are Active Voice verbs, showing the person performs the action. If it were done to them, that is, God caused them to believe, these would need to be written in Passive Voice to be true.
That they are written in Active Voices shows the person themself believes and received.
Much love!
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