No Righteousness of Obeying The Ten Commandments

[stephen64]

I didn't know you were a Jew! Since you are going by the Old Testament, why not accept Jesus as your Savior?

Do you really believe that is a covenant only for Jews? Come on, you know better than that

 

[amigo de christo]

MANY DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IN THEM , MANY DO NOT .

 

[amigo de christo]

And if we have NOT THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST , THEN GUESS WHAT , WE ARE NONE OF HIS . AND IF WE DO
then the BODY is dead because of sin . FOLKS OPEN BIBLES . OPEN BIBLES . I PLEAD open bibles
and stop reading the scrips through the denominations of men , AND JUST start reading them FOR YA SELF .
Liberal theology is dead , so is nar theology , so is prosperity gospel theology , So is emgerent church , so is CC .
This list can go on for about as many denominations as i see . OPEN bible , learn bible , and stop following blind men .

 

[stephen64]

You have no clue what I say, because you have no clue what Scripture says, since all I say is by Scripture, not by my own mind.

You preach your own mind in place of Scripture. I'm used to that from such as yourself. But to then try and make the righteous unrighteous, by doing the law and word of God is too stupid to try and correct.

Hint: unrighteously sinning against God and transgressing His law 'slip up'. It is a work of the devil.

You really do need to grow up and stop talking like a foolish child.

And yes, 100% obedience to God with a pure heart is not evil, nor unrighteous, nor impossible:

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

I have ministered to you before the simple and easy way of Christ to do so: Spiritual purity within the heart and mind first.

You have rejected it, because you love your sinning to much to repent.

Now you go on to condemn the pure in heart and righteous of life in Christ Jesus.

You are beyond correction, and so I don't even try, but rather just mock your offensive stupidly to anyone of sound mind.

More bearing of false witness. You must believe in a licence to sin. I could never break the law within me as casually as you do. Are you pure in heart? You like to keep suggesting to people you are? Self promotion is never a good thing

 

[Jim B]

So the question now is , what do we THINK being UNDER THE LAW MEANS .
A hint , if ya think you can be made righteous by the law , if ye can earn righteousness by the law , THEN YA UNDER THE LAW .
But if you think you can willfully trangress it and that iN CHRIST we are free to do so , YOU are as lost as those who think they can earn it .
If doing the law was evil , WHY DID GOD PUNISH and DESTROY HIS OWN PEOPLE for NOT KEEPING IT .
NO , its we must have FAITH , we seek righteousnes by faith . But if we are CHRISTS , we love TRUTH , not evil .WE love righteousones
NOT transgression . I used to love sin , CHRIST DID NOT COME SO I COULD CONTINUE TO DO SO and TO LOVE IT
HE came to save me , and THAT from my own self , my own flesh . HE came to create a PEOPLE WHO WOULD HONOR GOD .
And SIN , well that dont honor GOD now does it .

What do I think being under the law means? Well, let me take a guess: it means being under the law. Is that right? I do not think that anyone can be be made righteous by the law. If they could, then there is no need for a Savior.

Where did I say that I think I or anyone else can willfully trangress it and that iN CHRIST we are free to do so? That is nonsense. It's obvious that we must have FAITH but Christians don't seek righteousness by faith. We are righteous because we are in Christ, who is righteous.

You are clearly confused by claiming that I said anything to the contrary.

 

[amigo de christo]

What do I think being under the law means? Well, let me take a guess: it means being under the law. Is that right? I do not think that anyone can be be made righteous by the law. If they could, then there is no need for a Savior.

Where did I say that I think I or anyone else can willfully trangress it and that iN CHRIST we are free to do so? That is nonsense. It's obvious that we must have FAITH but Christians don't seek righteousness by faith. We are righteous because we are in Christ, who is righteous.

You are clearly confused by claiming that I said anything to the contrary.

I never said you did . However where is the proof that Christ is truly in a person .
This generation supports all religious views now . YET i say only one view is RIGHT . THE BIBLICAL ONE , that BIBLCAL JESUS
and that any other path cannot save , no other religoin can and it wont matter how much money one gave to the poor
IF they had not Christ , IF they had not charity , IT PROFITS NUTTING . But this gen says
if muslims do good they KNOW GOD , IF buddist do good they know GOD . LIES from HELL .
ALSO this generation teaches that JESUS is the minstir of sin . FOR THEY SAY , GAY MARRIAGE IS LOVE , ITS GOOD .
NO ITS NOT ITS SIN .
THEY say many things are good that are not GOOD .
THE TRUTH IS , IF ONE TRULY KNOWS CHRIST , THEN ONE HAS BEEN and WOULD HAVE BEEN CONVERTED .
I used to love sin , I DONT ANYMORE .
I used to sleep with mens wives , I DONT ANYMORE . AND WHY IS THAT , causE JESUS CHANGED ME . I NOW SEE EVIL as EVIL
and wont justify it .
I USED TO watch porn . NOW I DONT , i see it as evil .
I used to support gays , I DONT support it any more . WHY cause JESUS CHANGED ME .
THUS if one who was gay came to CHRIST , YOU CAN BET THEY WONT SUPPORT IT ANY LONGER . IF THEY DO , THEY DONT KNOW HIM .
PEROID . AND If you say otherwise , YOU DONT KNOW HIM EITHER . I have watched many of you all on this site .
SUPPORTING abortion , supporting gays , supporting whatever else should not be supported .
GUESS what , THAT MEANS you just like i once was . LOST and dont realize you are . THIS IS WHY i holler
GO back to bibles so much . DO IT . I dont condemn you or anyone . I DESIRE ONLY GOOD FOR YOU ALL .
SO dont just put me on ingnore . GO into the bible and learn it well .

 

[robert derrick]

Lets just take two things from your extremely immature post. Can you quote where I have ever stated keeping the law is unrighteous?

You never said the law was unrighteous, only dead, and so doing the law cannot be righteous.

I have to say, you do very casually break the ten commandments don't you?

You're the one talking about being an unrighteous sinner saved by grace. All of you OSAS hypocrites are the same: you just can't stand it, when a Christian refuses to be the same as you. It's as old as Cain and Abel.

There is no law now engraved in stone or on parchments for the believer, no, it is in their hearts and minds instead, much better place to be.

As I said, thank you for confirming it: you think the law written on paper is dead, so that no objective law of God can judge your own law unto yourself.

The best place for lawless sinners such as yourself is in your own vain minds, where the law of Christ cannot get through to:

My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

The law of Moses is dead and gone with the OT, but the law of Christ is still alive and well in His NT.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

The law of God still defines was is transgression and unrighteousness, and it is still written on paper for us today. And it is now written also on the hearts and minds that receive Christ within: the law of Christ within is not apart from the law of Christ without. It's the same one law of God today, even as the law of Moses was the same one law of yesterday. The law of God has changed in letters, not has been killed to death on paper.

If your faith transgresses the law of God written on paper by His apostles, then your faith is corrupt, and the law in your mind is of your own making.

Doing the law as written in Scripture is doing the word written in Scripture:

For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

When you say the law written on paper is dead and gone, you say the word written on paper is dead and gone.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Your foolish faith alone by yourself makes you above the law of God: you are an idolatrous god and law unto yourself. Like Adam you think to write your own law, and so to be your own god of your life, and anything God says written in Scripture is only to be done, if you feel like it.

"Oh no. I'm not doing it like I have to, or I must. I mean, obedience to some law on paper is so old fashioned. I only do it because I feel like it."

Tell that to the judge when you don't obey it, because you don't feel like it.

OSAS truly is doctrine of grace for free-sex and free-sin hippies.

And no, I am not attempting to instruct nor correct you personally, but only putting it out there for others willing to have a sound mind.

I have to say, I have seen so many stress obeying commandments, who like you take offence at no righteousness of obeying the law, and like you I am afraid who do not practice what they preach. Phariseeism is as alive now as it was 2000 years ago

Once again, you are a foolish sinner that must judge everyone else as yourself. You are so petty, you can't even see it for what it is. When you speak of people, speak for yourself, nor for Jesus nor for Paul:

Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe.

To the unrepentant self-righteous such as yourself, these words are indeed 'depressing'.

Phariseeism is as alive now as it was 2000 years ago

Yes it is, and so are the loving angels of light that minister sin for liberty. Afterall, they're the ones rooting for the righteous to fall, that they can show what 'really matters'.

Love without law nor righteous judgment. Just faith. It's all about faith. So long as we believe it, it is as we believe.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

For OSAS the written law of God in Scripture is as the wicked witch of the east: "The law is dead! The law is dead!"

 

[stephen64]

You never said the law was unrighteous, only dead, and so doing the law cannot be righteous.

Please bring forth my statement where I said the law was dead. If you cannot, it is just more bearing of false witness. Do you not care at all how much you break the ten commandments?
I am not interested in reading your rambling posts anymore. Too much inaccuricies and bearing of false witness. I do not know how you can sin so casually

 

[Davy]

Rom 7:14-25 is all about sin and defeat, no victory at all. That isnt the christian life, and if Paul is speaking of his christian life, he is contradicting other statements he made that have been quoted to you already. You are under the misapprehension that if Paul is speaking of his life as a Pharisee, people are speaking of sinless perfection for the believer, that's simply not true. There is a world of difference between the person mentioned in those verses who only had sin and defeat, and sinless perfection. The christian is between the two extremes. So you are in error to say what you do

I'm getting ready to call you Mr. Flesh Lover, because that's what you are showing where your mind is at by not understanding Apostle Paul in those Romans 7:14-25 verses.

For Brethren Who Are Interested:

The Galatians 3:22 verse by Apostle Paul needs to be kept in mind when reading the Romans 7 Scripture...

Gal 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
KJV



Rom 7:12-25
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

God's laws are righteous, spiritual even, in that His law governs over all things. Just because many of His laws are designed to point to unrighteousness and sin, does not make the law a bad thing. Apostle Paul recognizes this, and is applying the law here for the Christian. The Book of Romans and Book of Galatians are both 'foundational' Books of Christian Doctrine.


13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Was God's law made into death for flesh sinners? No, Paul says. God's law is to point... to sin. And only something that is RIGHT can do that. It is sin that leads to death, not the law.


14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Paul puts God's law as the idea of it being "spiritual". That means separate from flesh. Paul points to his flesh body instead being "sold under sin". That idea points back to the Galatians 3:22 verse.


15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

Paul says at times he finds himself not doing what he set out to do, but instead doing what he hates. And God's laws is what points to knowing when that happens, which is to show the difference between what is 'right', and what is wrong according to The Creator of all things.


17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

When Paul speaks of "it is no more I that do it", he is pointing to his 'spirit' that dwells inside... his flesh. When pointing to "sin that dwelleth in me", he is pointing to his flesh. Per John 3:6, Lord Jesus also defined this separation that God created all peoples with; "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit."

Those are two separate operations. They just happen to be operating together in a flesh body while we are here alive on earth, even though they each serve their own dimension.


18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

In many later modern Bible versions, that phrase "that is, in my flesh", is changed to "sinful nature" (NLT), or "corrupt nature" (God's Word translation), or "physical self" (Goodspeed NT), or "my lower self" (Weymouth version), which doesn't actually reveal Paul's pointing to our flesh body.

So depending on what Bible version you use, you can... be fooled away from Paul's actually pointing to his flesh, like all the former Bible versions have it.

Paul is pointing to a war... that is at work between our flesh and our spirit (also see James 4:1; 1 Peter 2:11; Romans 8:13; Galatians 5:17; Galatians 5:24-25).


19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Paul finds himself sometimes doing what he would not, but he recognizes it is not really his 'spirit' that is causing that, but "sin that dwelleth in me", meaning in his flesh, which he pointed to in the previous 18th verse.


21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

The "inward man" Paul points to is about our 'spirit' from God. It inherently knows what is right and what is wrong, IF... we listen to The Holy Spirit. The unbelieving and wicked don't care to recognize nor listen to Him; they do not discern their actions, nor do they care to have a measure to know what is right or wrong. Those live in chaos from one day to the next, not knowing their left hand from their right, so to speak (Jonah 4:11).


23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

There Paul is pointing to his fleshy members again. He defines a "law of sin which is my members". This is a doctrine which many Christian brethren today are failing to recognize. Many do not understand what is going on in these flesh bodies we live in today per this present world. It is your flesh that is causing the lusts of the things of this present world. That is what fights against your spirit, what Paul calls "the law of my mind". As long as we are in this flesh, our spirit is captive to it.


24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

And there Paul finally comes to it, WHO can save us from "the body of this death"?? The answer of course is, JESUS CHRIST ONLY.

By that, Paul shows just what this flesh body is, i.e., a body of death! It will be cast off when we die, or on the day of Christ's future coming, whichever happens first.


25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
KJV

By that Paul is not saying to just go out and sin and don't concern yourself about it. We know he is not saying that because of so many warnings against sin he gives us throughout all his Epistles. He simply wants us to recognize the conundrum of this present world we are in while alive in a flesh body of sin, AND... to recognize that 'we', our 'person' (or spirit), is not really our flesh body, but that our flesh body is just a shell or house that our spirit lives in while alive upon this earth (2 Corinthians 5).

Our flesh is going to make us fall at times, as we all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). The reason is Galatians 3:22, remember?

 

[Jim B]

I WILL MAGNIFY MY LAW . Any guesses on what that even means .

No. I won't guess what a single out-of-context line from the King James version means. Tell us, what does it mean (to you)?

 

[stephen64]

I'm getting ready to call you Mr. Flesh Lover, because that's what you are showing where your mind is at by not understanding Apostle Paul in those Romans 7:14-25 verses.

For Brethren Who Are Interested:

The Galatians 3:22 verse by Apostle Paul needs to be kept in mind when reading the Romans 7 Scripture...

Gal 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
KJV



Rom 7:12-25
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

God's laws are righteous, spiritual even, in that His law governs over all things. Just because many of His laws are designed to point to unrighteousness and sin, does not make the law a bad thing. Apostle Paul recognizes this, and is applying the law here for the Christian. The Book of Romans and Book of Galatians are both 'foundational' Books of Christian Doctrine.


13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Was God's law made into death for flesh sinners? No, Paul says. God's law is to point... to sin. And only something that is RIGHT can do that. It is sin that leads to death, not the law.


14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Paul puts God's law as the idea of it being "spiritual". That means separate from flesh. Paul points to his flesh body instead being "sold under sin". That idea points back to the Galatians 3:22 verse.


15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

Paul says at times he finds himself not doing what he set out to do, but instead doing what he hates. And God's laws is what points to knowing when that happens, which is to show the difference between what is 'right', and what is wrong according to The Creator of all things.


17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

When Paul speaks of "it is no more I that do it", he is pointing to his 'spirit' that dwells inside... his flesh. When pointing to "sin that dwelleth in me", he is pointing to his flesh. Per John 3:6, Lord Jesus also defined this separation that God created all peoples with; "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit."

Those are two separate operations. They just happen to be operating together in a flesh body while we are here alive on earth, even though they each serve their own dimension.


18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

In many later modern Bible versions, that phrase "that is, in my flesh", is changed to "sinful nature" (NLT), or "corrupt nature" (God's Word translation), or "physical self" (Goodspeed NT), or "my lower self" (Weymouth version), which doesn't actually reveal Paul's pointing to our flesh body.

So depending on what Bible version you use, you can... be fooled away from Paul's actually pointing to his flesh, like all the former Bible versions have it.

Paul is pointing to a war... that is at work between our flesh and our spirit (also see James 4:1; 1 Peter 2:11; Romans 8:13; Galatians 5:17; Galatians 5:24-25).


19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Paul finds himself sometimes doing what he would not, but he recognizes it is not really his 'spirit' that is causing that, but "sin that dwelleth in me", meaning in his flesh, which he pointed to in the previous 18th verse.


21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

The "inward man" Paul points to is about our 'spirit' from God. It inherently knows what is right and what is wrong, IF... we listen to The Holy Spirit. The unbelieving and wicked don't care to recognize nor listen to Him; they do not discern their actions, nor do they care to have a measure to know what is right or wrong. Those live in chaos from one day to the next, not knowing their left hand from their right, so to speak (Jonah 4:11).


23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

There Paul is pointing to his fleshy members again. He defines a "law of sin which is my members". This is a doctrine which many Christian brethren today are failing to recognize. Many do not understand what is going on in these flesh bodies we live in today per this present world. It is your flesh that is causing the lusts of the things of this present world. That is what fights against your spirit, what Paul calls "the law of my mind". As long as we are in this flesh, our spirit is captive to it.


24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

And there Paul finally comes to it, WHO can save us from "the body of this death"?? The answer of course is, JESUS CHRIST ONLY.

By that, Paul shows just what this flesh body is, i.e., a body of death! It will be cast off when we die, or on the day of Christ's future coming, whichever happens first.


25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
KJV

By that Paul is not saying to just go out and sin and don't concern yourself about it. We know he is not saying that because of so many warnings against sin he gives us throughout all his Epistles. He simply wants us to recognize the conundrum of this present world we are in while alive in a flesh body of sin, AND... to recognize that 'we', our 'person' (or spirit), is not really our flesh body, but that our flesh body is just a shell or house that our spirit lives in while alive upon this earth (2 Corinthians 5).

Our flesh is going to make us fall at times, as we all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). The reason is Galatians 3:22, remember?

Its quite simple really:
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? Rom6:16
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin Rom7:14

 

[Jim B]

Let me give you an example of one who is NOT a christain .
He who does as i once did . I could holler JESUS , yet embraced sin .
THUS here is a simple example . IF i came hollering JESUS yet was gay and supported my sin , I DONT KNOW HIM . THAT IS A FACT .
Same as if i were still robbing banks and etc . THE OLD MAN GOTTA DIE . WE NO LONGER SUPPORT SIN .
CAN YOU SAY THE SAME . JUST PONDER ON THAT FOR A BIT .
Or i have seen women that once had abortions . WHICH IS EVIL . YET after coming to CHRIST , THEY DONT KEEP SUPPORTING IT .
THEY NOW are against it . can YOU say the same . exactly . WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE that CHRIST LIVES IN US .
WELL ITS IN OUR FRUITS MY FRIEND .

Judging by this irrational post, wherein you wander all over the place, I think you are seriously confused and in serious peril.

 

[Davy]

Folks have no idea what james or paul meant by JUDGING .
WE are supposed to judge the church . BUT NOT BY THE LETTER .
By the letter simply means if a witch is amongst us , WE PUT HER TO DEATH . NOW THAT WE DONT DO .
BUT WE DO JUDGE by doing this , EXPOSE IT AS EVIL and cast out said person till repentance is made .
AS WELL said or well wrote paul . I have JUDGED Already he who has comitted this sin . Notice paul next says
Not to STONE HIM TO DEATH , but rather the sentence of judgment is , GET THE LEAVEN OUT OF THE CHURCH .
I will DIE before i stop exposing sin within believers . DIE . WHY cause i hate folks , NO cause i LOVE THEM .
LEAVEN LEAVENS . EVIL BEGETS EVIL . WE MUST CORRECT ERROR IN THE CHURCH and DO IT FAST .

YEAH, SO YOU NEED TO POINT THAT OUT TO OTHERS HERE, NOT ME. I WELL UNDERSTAND HOW THE GREEK WORD 'krino' IS USED IN GOD'S WORD DEPENDING ON ITS CONTEXT.

 

[amigo de christo]

No. I won't guess what a single out-of-context line from the King James version means. Tell us, what does it mean (to you)?

He will write it upon our hearts . WE wont live by the power of the flesh , nor the power of self righteousness
but simply rather by the POWER of the indwelling SPIRIT OF GOD .
I just watched a wonderful vidoe sent by pearl . That is exactly how it happend to me as well . Go watch it .
GOD puts such a hunger for TRUTH INTO OUR HEARTS and into the BIBLE we GO . I urge you greatly , go back into the bible
and read it for yourself . Watch what happens . Hunger for the things of the LORD and let us abandon the traditoins of men gone wrong .

 

[Jim B]

You have no clue what I say, because you have no clue what Scripture says, since all I say is by Scripture, not by my own mind.

You preach your own mind in place of Scripture. I'm used to that from such as yourself. But to then try and make the righteous unrighteous, by doing the law and word of God is too stupid to try and correct.

Hint: unrighteously sinning against God and transgressing His law 'slip up'. It is a work of the devil.

You really do need to grow up and stop talking like a foolish child.

And yes, 100% obedience to God with a pure heart is not evil, nor unrighteous, nor impossible:

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

I have ministered to you before the simple and easy way of Christ to do so: Spiritual purity within the heart and mind first.

You have rejected it, because you love your sinning to much to repent.

Now you go on to condemn the pure in heart and righteous of life in Christ Jesus.

You are beyond correction, and so I don't even try, but rather just mock your offensive stupidly to anyone of sound mind.

Very Christian behavior -- not! Jesus clearly said to love our neighbor; apparently you missed that part. You are deluding yourself if you think that you have a sound mind. Clearly you are very troubled in both mind and spirit.

 

[Jim B]

I'm getting ready to call you Mr. Flesh Lover, because that's what you are showing where your mind is at by not understanding Apostle Paul in those Romans 7:14-25 verses.

For Brethren Who Are Interested:

The Galatians 3:22 verse by Apostle Paul needs to be kept in mind when reading the Romans 7 Scripture...

Gal 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
KJV



Rom 7:12-25
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

God's laws are righteous, spiritual even, in that His law governs over all things. Just because many of His laws are designed to point to unrighteousness and sin, does not make the law a bad thing. Apostle Paul recognizes this, and is applying the law here for the Christian. The Book of Romans and Book of Galatians are both 'foundational' Books of Christian Doctrine.


13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Was God's law made into death for flesh sinners? No, Paul says. God's law is to point... to sin. And only something that is RIGHT can do that. It is sin that leads to death, not the law.


14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Paul puts God's law as the idea of it being "spiritual". That means separate from flesh. Paul points to his flesh body instead being "sold under sin". That idea points back to the Galatians 3:22 verse.


15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

Paul says at times he finds himself not doing what he set out to do, but instead doing what he hates. And God's laws is what points to knowing when that happens, which is to show the difference between what is 'right', and what is wrong according to The Creator of all things.


17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

When Paul speaks of "it is no more I that do it", he is pointing to his 'spirit' that dwells inside... his flesh. When pointing to "sin that dwelleth in me", he is pointing to his flesh. Per John 3:6, Lord Jesus also defined this separation that God created all peoples with; "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit."

Those are two separate operations. They just happen to be operating together in a flesh body while we are here alive on earth, even though they each serve their own dimension.


18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

In many later modern Bible versions, that phrase "that is, in my flesh", is changed to "sinful nature" (NLT), or "corrupt nature" (God's Word translation), or "physical self" (Goodspeed NT), or "my lower self" (Weymouth version), which doesn't actually reveal Paul's pointing to our flesh body.

So depending on what Bible version you use, you can... be fooled away from Paul's actually pointing to his flesh, like all the former Bible versions have it.

Paul is pointing to a war... that is at work between our flesh and our spirit (also see James 4:1; 1 Peter 2:11; Romans 8:13; Galatians 5:17; Galatians 5:24-25).


19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Paul finds himself sometimes doing what he would not, but he recognizes it is not really his 'spirit' that is causing that, but "sin that dwelleth in me", meaning in his flesh, which he pointed to in the previous 18th verse.


21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

The "inward man" Paul points to is about our 'spirit' from God. It inherently knows what is right and what is wrong, IF... we listen to The Holy Spirit. The unbelieving and wicked don't care to recognize nor listen to Him; they do not discern their actions, nor do they care to have a measure to know what is right or wrong. Those live in chaos from one day to the next, not knowing their left hand from their right, so to speak (Jonah 4:11).


23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

There Paul is pointing to his fleshy members again. He defines a "law of sin which is my members". This is a doctrine which many Christian brethren today are failing to recognize. Many do not understand what is going on in these flesh bodies we live in today per this present world. It is your flesh that is causing the lusts of the things of this present world. That is what fights against your spirit, what Paul calls "the law of my mind". As long as we are in this flesh, our spirit is captive to it.


24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

And there Paul finally comes to it, WHO can save us from "the body of this death"?? The answer of course is, JESUS CHRIST ONLY.

By that, Paul shows just what this flesh body is, i.e., a body of death! It will be cast off when we die, or on the day of Christ's future coming, whichever happens first.


25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
KJV

By that Paul is not saying to just go out and sin and don't concern yourself about it. We know he is not saying that because of so many warnings against sin he gives us throughout all his Epistles. He simply wants us to recognize the conundrum of this present world we are in while alive in a flesh body of sin, AND... to recognize that 'we', our 'person' (or spirit), is not really our flesh body, but that our flesh body is just a shell or house that our spirit lives in while alive upon this earth (2 Corinthians 5).

Our flesh is going to make us fall at times, as we all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). The reason is Galatians 3:22, remember?

Are you actually that ignorant and/or deluded? Try turning the page and reading Romans 8!

Here is how it starts: There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the life-giving Spirit in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. For God achieved what the law could not do because it was weakened through the flesh. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the righteous requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Romans 8:1-4

 

[Jim B]

He will write it upon our hearts . WE wont live by the power of the flesh , nor the power of self righteousness
but simply rather by the POWER of the indwelling SPIRIT OF GOD .
I just watched a wonderful vidoe sent by pearl . That is exactly how it happend to me as well . Go watch it .
GOD puts such a hunger for TRUTH INTO OUR HEARTS and into the BIBLE we GO . I urge you greatly , go back into the bible
and read it for yourself . Watch what happens . Hunger for the things of the LORD and let us abandon the traditoins of men gone wrong .

a) "will write it" is future tense.
b) I didn't realize you are a Jew. What are you doing on a Christian forum?

P.S. Good luck keeping the OT law.

 

[Jim B]

Do you really believe that is a covenant only for Jews? Come on, you know better than that

The Old Covenant is for the Jews. Period. Don't you know that? Why do you think there is a New Covenant?

 

[Jim B]

MANY DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IN THEM , MANY DO NOT .

What does this double negative mean?

 

[stephen64]

The Old Covenant is for the Jews. Period. Don't you know that? Why do you think there is a New Covenant?

Do you agree, Heb10:15-18 is the new covenant?