Obedience

[Nancy]

Obedience

Haven't seen many thread titles on obedience here. Some Christians toss the word around to one extreem and some to the opposite extreme. But in general, I rarely hear much talk of it. Could that be because these Christians avoid it because, they know that in certain areas of their lives are in dis-obedience to God and they feel condemned? But then, what to do with Romans 8:1-16..."there is now no condemnation in those who..."

Since Gods ways are way higher than ours, His plans always perfect, His love for us--HUGE...you would think we would want to obey moreso than not as it is ALWAYS in our own best interest to do so.
He is a GOOD Father, and has His reasons commanding us to obey him...especially the many warnings given us in His Word.

Why is it not spoken of more so in our Churches? Yes, many water Gods commands down and I don't get it because they are not burdensome and for our own good.

Any thoughts on this peeps?
Gods Love,
-nancy

 

[Philip James]

Love of God is obedience to His will.

Pax!

 

[bbyrd009]

Love of God is obedience to His will.

Pax!

hit reply to see if you would, sorry

 

[bbyrd009]

 

[Nancy]

Love of God is obedience to His will.

Pax!

Yes, that is true. My question basically is why we do not hear enough about it within mainstream Christianity as it is obviously to our own benefit TO obey. I hear allot about "sacrifice" though. 1 Samuel 15:22 But Samuel replied: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams."

 

[Nancy]

hit reply to see if you would, sorry

Lol...Awesome.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Obedience

Haven't seen many thread titles on obedience here. Some Christians toss the word around to one extreem and some to the opposite extreme. But in general, I rarely hear much talk of it. Could that be because these Christians avoid it because, they know that in certain areas of their lives are in dis-obedience to God and they feel condemned? But then, what to do with Romans 8:1-16..."there is now no condemnation in those who..."

Since Gods ways are way higher than ours, His plans always perfect, His love for us--HUGE...you would think we would want to obey moreso than not as it is ALWAYS in our own best interest to do so.
He is a GOOD Father, and has His reasons commanding us to obey him...especially the many warnings given us in His Word.

Why is it not spoken of more so in our Churches? Yes, many water Gods commands down and I don't get it because they are not burdensome and for our own good.

Any thoughts on this peeps?
Gods Love,
-nancy

Good thread! I think Obedience to God was indeed stressed much more in NT times than today. They used the expression "sons of obedience" to distinguish true Christians from the rebellious (i.e. the "sons of disobedience"). They also stressed how a loving Father disciplined his children, and that no disciple for the time was enjoyable, but that it would bring forth the fruit of righteousness in those who mastered it... adopted sons (the Gentiles) were likewise being called to conform themselves to the image of their Father, and walk in obedience to His will. It's all over the scriptures, and I could go on and on talking about it.

But as for why they don't preach it, probably it's due to the seeker-friendly type approaches, and the increased progression in the direction of hyper-grace oriented teaching, where God loves you "as is." Yes, He loves us as is. But when we come to Him we must come to Him as children willing to submit to His Lordship if we would be transformed into what He has always desired for us, and some of that transformation process may not be all that fun.

 

[Nancy]

Good thread! I think Obedience to God was indeed stressed much more in NT times than today. They used the expression "sons of obedience" to distinguish true Christians from the rebellious (i.e. the "sons of disobedience"). They also stressed how a loving Father disciplined his children, and that no disciple for the time was enjoyable, but that it would bring forth the fruit of righteousness in those who mastered it... adopted sons (the Gentiles) were likewise being called to conform themselves to the image of their Father, and walk in obedience to His will. It's all over the scriptures, and I could go on and on talking about it.

But as for why they don't preach it, probably it's due to the seeker-friendly type approaches, and the increased progression in the direction of hyper-grace oriented teaching, where God loves you "as is." Yes, He loves us as is. But when we come to Him we must come to Him as children willing to submit to His Lordship if we would be transformed into what He has always desired for us, and some of that transformation process may not be all that fun.

Spot on @Hidden In Him in Him.
"But when we come to Him we must come to Him as children willing to submit to His Lordship if we would be transformed into what He has always desired for us, and some of that transformation process may not be all that fun." Yes, and for me, submission is key!
All In His Name,
-nancy

 

[Helen]

Love of God is obedience to His will.

Pax!

I feel that Philip nailed it here.

The reason we don't hear a lot about obedience in messages today, I believe is because of misuse over the decades.
It had been used as a rod on the flock.
Also for control.
( ie: "I your leader have the word of the Lord for this Church, therefore obey what I say." In my time, I have actually heard over the pulpit.
" I speak for God, therefore when I speak it is the word of God. Not not obey the word of God is sin, and your family will reap the rewards of sin."

Any wonder that freedom from this pushed the people away from the "Obedience" message!


1 John 3:22-23 "And whatever we ask we receive from Him,
because we keep His commandments ( Love God, love neighbour) and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. {23} And this is His commandment:
that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ
and love one another, as He gave us commandment. {24} And he
who keeps his commandments abides in Him, and He in him. ( abiding in Him, is abiding in Love, for God is love)
And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom He
has given us."

1 John 5:2 "By this we know that we love the children of
God, when we love God, and keep his ( Love ) commandments.
{3} For this is the love of God, that we keep his ( Love) commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

2 John 1:6 "And this is love, that we walk after his
commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have
heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it."

2 John 1:9 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the
doctrine of ( Love) Christ, hath not God. ( because God is Love) He that abideth in the (Love) doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son."


I don't care how 'religiously' a person seems to live, or how many 'good works',
or how many spiritual rules of 'their' kind of Obedience they live by, and keep...
As Paul said :- It is nothing but hot air and wind..."obedience" is nothing at all
If it is not birth in and ministered by Love.

They only way we can walk in Obedience is the acid test of Love.
Check the motivation...is it to preserve self?
= "If I do right I get right, if I do bad I get bad"

Love to God and brother flows effortlessly when love is flowing.
That is obedience that God is looking for...

Do we "live there perfectly"....I don't ..I let things, and irritations block the Love channel. But God says- " No you can't do it perfectly, but I can!!
So we lean-in the harder into Him.

 

[Nancy]

I feel that Philip nailed it here.

The reason we don't hear a lot about obedience in messages today, I believe is because of misuse over the decades.
It had been used as a rod on the flock.
Also for control.
( ie: "I your leader have the word of the Lord for this Church, therefore obey what I say." In my time, I have actually heard over the pulpit.
" I speak for God, therefore when I speak it is the word of God. Not not obey the word of God is sin, and your family will reap the rewards of sin."

Any wonder that freedom from this pushed the people away from the "Obedience" message!


1 John 3:22-23 "And whatever we ask we receive from Him,
because we keep His commandments ( Love God, love neighbour) and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. {23} And this is His commandment:
that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ
and love one another, as He gave us commandment. {24} And he
who keeps his commandments abides in Him, and He in him. ( abiding in Him, is abiding in Love, for God is love)
And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom He
has given us."

1 John 5:2 "By this we know that we love the children of
God, when we love God, and keep his ( Love ) commandments.
{3} For this is the love of God, that we keep his ( Love) commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

2 John 1:6 "And this is love, that we walk after his
commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have
heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it."

2 John 1:9 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the
doctrine of ( Love) Christ, hath not God. ( because God is Love) He that abideth in the (Love) doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son."


I don't care how 'religiously' a person seems to live, or how many 'good works',
or how many spiritual rules of 'their' kind of Obedience they live by, and keep...
As Paul said :- It is nothing but hot air and wind..."obedience" is nothing at all
If it is not birth in and ministered by Love.

They only way we can walk in Obedience is the acid test of Love.
Check the motivation...is it to preserve self?
= "If I do right I get right, if I do bad I get bad"

Love to God and brother flows effortlessly when love is flowing.
That is obedience that God is looking for...

Do we "live there perfectly"....I don't ..I let things, and irritations block the Love channel. But God says- " No you can't do it perfectly, but I can!!
So we lean-in the harder into Him.

Awesomeness Helen!
"obedience" is nothing at all
If it is not birth in and ministered by Love" <---And the Church said AMEN!

 

[Hidden In Him]

The reason we don't hear a lot about obedience in messages today, I believe is because of misuse over the decades.
It had been used as a rod on the flock.
Also for control.

Yes. When I have seen obedience taught, it was nearly always in the context of stressing obedience to the leadership in the churches I've attended, or have seen others attend. But obedience to the leadership does NOT automatically equate to obedience to God, and most often actually requires transferring Lordship from Christ over to men instead.

Is that a shame or what? it almost shocks me when I think about it now.

 

[Nancy]

Yes. When I have seen obedience taught, it was nearly always in the context of stressing obedience to the leadership in the churches I've attended, or have seen others attend. But obedience to the leadership does NOT automatically equate to obedience to God, and most often actually requires transferring Lordship from Christ over to men instead.

Is that a shame or what? it almost shocks me when I think about it now.

Yes, shocks me too! So many Christians are missing out on His reward for lack of diligently seeking Him.

 

[Philip James]

.."obedience" is nothing at all
If it is not birth in and ministered by Love.

True

 

[Helen]

Awesomeness Helen!
"obedience" is nothing at all
If it is not birth in and ministered by Love" <---And the Church said AMEN!

I like your new avatar !
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[aspen]

Yes, that is true. My question basically is why we do not hear enough about it within mainstream Christianity as it is obviously to our own benefit TO obey. I hear allot about "sacrifice" though. 1 Samuel 15:22 But Samuel replied: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams."

Because obedience goes against the grain of our culture and therefore does not feel natural. Obedience is misinterpreted as ‘works’ by the judgmental and the ignorant.

 

[Nancy]

I like your new avatar !
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Why thank you...one day I will get brave and put my true pic up, lol.