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- What's the difference between the law and the Law? (capital L)

- What's the difference between the law and God's law?

- What's the difference between the law, God's law, and Christ's law?


The law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law; four different things.

Agree, or disagree? Points outlined below. Thanks.

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What's the difference between the law and the Law? (capital L)

Thanks to the NIV for differentiating these two.

Basically a capital L indicates the Books of the Law, as opposed the law itself.
This sheds light on the fulfillment of the law in Matthew 5:17.

Matthew 5:17 NIV
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

COMPARE - Jesus explains Matthew 5:17 (note "the Prophets" in verse 17 above)

Luke 24:44 NIV
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you:
Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in
the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

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The law, God's law, Christ's law; three different things.

The Apostle differentiates between each one. Three different things.
He says he is not under the law, though he is not free from God's law,
but is under Christ's law. Three different things. See verse 21,

1 Corinthians 9:19-22 NIV
Though I am free and belong to no one,
I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.
20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.
To those under the law I became like one under the law
(though I myself am not under the law),
so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law
(though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law),
so as to win those not having the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak.
I have become all things to all people so that
by all possible means I might save some.

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What's the difference between the law and God's law?

I see God's law as the law God gave us in our human conscience.
(which may be the ONLY positive outcome of the Fall)
The knowledge of good and evil.

This idea is definitely more obscure biblically.
Still, when weighed against the other evidence...

Romans 7:22 NIV
For in my inner being I delight in God’s law;

COMPARE - What law do those not having the law have?

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law,
they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law
are written on their hearts
, their consciences also bearing witness,
and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when
God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ,
as my gospel declares.

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The law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law; four different things.

Agree, or disagree? Points outlined above. Thanks.
 

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This is an interesting verse.
Both "the law" and "the Law" (capital L) are used.
A righteousness apart from the law. To which...

Romans 3:21 NIV
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known,
to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
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I'm no expert in NT Greek, but I do see that the definite article (the) is added in English to make "the law" --- νόμου
Whereas the definite article is found in the Greek for "the Law". (capital L) --- τοῦ νόμου

In the OP I explained that "the law" refers to the laws themselves,
whereas "the Law" refers to the Books of the Law.
Which is supported by the full phrase, "the Law and the Prophets".

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Matthew 5:17 NIV
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
 
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- What's the difference between the law and the Law? (capital L)

- What's the difference between the law and God's law?

- What's the difference between the law, God's law, and Christ's law?


The law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law; four different things.

Agree, or disagree? Points outlined below. Thanks.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What's the difference between the law and the Law? (capital L)

Thanks to the NIV for differentiating these two.

Basically a capital L indicates the Books of the Law, as opposed the law itself.
This sheds light on the fulfillment of the law in Matthew 5:17.

Matthew 5:17 NIV
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

COMPARE - Jesus explains Matthew 5:17 (note "the Prophets" in verse 17 above)

Luke 24:44 NIV
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you:
Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in
the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The law, God's law, Christ's law; three different things.

The Apostle differentiates between each one. Three different things.
He says he is not under the law, though he is not free from God's law,
but is under Christ's law. Three different things. See verse 21,

1 Corinthians 9:19-22 NIV
Though I am free and belong to no one,
I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.
20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.
To those under the law I became like one under the law
(though I myself am not under the law),
so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law
(though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law),
so as to win those not having the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak.
I have become all things to all people so that
by all possible means I might save some.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What's the difference between the law and God's law?

I see God's law as the law God gave us in our human conscience.
(which may be the ONLY positive outcome of the Fall)
The knowledge of good and evil..

This idea is definitely more obscure biblically.
Still, when weighed against the other evidence...

Romans 7:22 NIV
For in my inner being I delight in God’s law;

COMPARE - What law do those not having the law have?

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law,
they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law
are written on their hearts
, their consciences also bearing witness,
and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when
God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ,
as my gospel declares.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law; four different things.

Agree, or disagree? Points outlined above. Thanks.
The .......in anything referenced in scriptures distinguishes God's meaning vs any general meaning.
The Rapture (example; Enoch, Elijah, etc)
The Trib period (example; a trib that may be experienced by some one else, i.e....Job)
etc.





refers to God's item...not the item in general.
 
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What about "the Law of Moses"? Nobody obeys it.
 
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I see God's law as the law God gave us in our human conscience.
(which may be the ONLY positive outcome of the Fall)
Interesting thing about that.

Romans 2:15 KJV
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)

This is why you need the best translation you can get, the most literal, and some study helps to get even more literal.

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What we can see here is that "accusing" is an Active Voice verb, while "excusing" (here defending) is a Deponent verb, meaning it is either Reflexive or Passive.

Given that the context is a matter of what they are doing, we can know it is Reflexive, the result of the action returns to the one doing the action.

What does this tell us?

Romans 2:15 KJV
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)

They accuse others, while excusing themselves. It's not an even scale. Man's conscience is defective, even so, it shows they still have the sense of right and wrong, though they misapply it.

Much love!
 
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What about "the Law of Moses"? Nobody obeys it.
You can't obey it. No temple, no Levites, lots of reasons. Anyone who says they have to obey the OT Law is finished before they begin.

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The .......in anything referenced in scriptures distinguishes God's meaning vs any general meaning.
Do you mean like, God's Law is Righteous and absolute, while man's "law" is his preference/opinion? Like that?

Much love!
 

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The .......in anything referenced in scriptures distinguishes God's meaning vs any general meaning.
The Rapture (example; Enoch, Elijah, etc)
The Trib period (example; a trib that may be experienced by some one else, i.e....Job)
etc.





refers to God's item...not the item in general.
How did you arrive at this conclusion?
 

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What does this tell us?

Romans 2:15 KJV
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)

They accuse others, while excusing themselves. It's not an even scale. Man's conscience is defective, even so, it shows they still have the sense of right and wrong, though they misapply it.
What does verse 16 mean then?
The accusing and defending is taking place in the Age of Correction/Restoration/Reconciliation.

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law,
they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law
are written on their hearts
, their consciences also bearing witness,
and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when
God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ,
as my gospel declares.
 

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Do you mean like, God's Law is Righteous and absolute
What's the difference between the law, the Law, and God's law? See OP
Which one is "absolute"? (obsolete?) See Hebrews 8:7, 13 below.

Hebrews 8:7, 13 NIV
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant,
no place would have been sought for another. ...
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete;
and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
 

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What does verse 16 mean then?
The accusing and defending is taking place in the Age of Correction/Restoration/Reconciliation.

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law,
they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law
are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness,
and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when
God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ,
as my gospel declares.
The accusing/defending shows the uneven weights on their scales. This is not God saying our conscience is always a right guide. Criminals may have honor amongst themselves, but that doesn't make what they do righteous.

Romans 2:12-16 EMTV

12) For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law
13) (for not the hearers of the law are righteous with God, but the doers of the law shall be justified;
14) for whenever Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things of the law, these, not having the law, are a law unto themselves,
15) who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience witnessing with them, and among themselves their thoughts accuse or even defend them)
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16) in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men according to my gospel through Jesus Christ.

There is coming a day when Jesus shall judge me. Those who didn't have the law will still be judged. Those who have the law will be condemned by the law, and those who don't have the law will be condemned by what they knew of right and wrong having fallen short.

This isn't an endorsement of man's conscience as being fully correct, shown by people's misapplication. Condemning others, pardoning themselves. But it's correct enough that they will themselves know that they didn't do what what right, and God - Jesus - will judge them accordingly, condemning them for what they knew to be wrong yet did it anyway.

A similar idea is expressed for the Christian, What is not of faith is sin, and, The good you know to do, if you don't do it, that is sin.

Much love!
 

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Do you mean like, God's Law is Righteous and absolute, while man's "law" is his preference/opinion? Like that?

Much love!
Sorta;
In scriptures THE distinguishes a reference to something that is like no other. The tribulation will be like no other in past or ever will be.
The only one that has significant meaning above all other same utterances.
 
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