Of Harvests and barns and gathering the people to Him, the products of the land

[Scott Downey]

Daniel confirms the above about the time of the end. v26 it is the final end of Satan and the kingdoms of the world are all given to the saints of the most High.

26 “‘But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

IF ALL dominions serve and obey Christ, then there is no more ability to go into rebellion against Him.
The opposition is all consumed, destroyed unto the end, meaning there is nothing left of it.

Daniel 7
15 “I, Daniel, was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.

16 I came near unto one of those who stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me and made me know the interpretation of the things:

17 ‘These great beasts, which are four, are four kings who shall arise out of the earth.

18 But the saints of the Most High shall take the Kingdom and possess the Kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.’

19 “Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron and his nails of brass, which devoured, broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

20 and of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up and before whom three fell, even of the horn that had eyes and a mouth that spoke very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints and prevailed against them

22 until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the Most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the Kingdom.

23 “Thus he said: ‘The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise; and another shall rise after them, and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and think to change times and laws; and they shall be given into his hand until a time, and times, and the dividing of time.

26 “‘But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

28 “Here is the end of the matter. As for me, Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me; but I kept the matter in my heart.”

 

[rwb]

I find the end of the millennium events super exciting.

Revelation 20:7-10 tells us what happens when the thousand years are up. God lets Satan out of prison for one last time to test people right before the final great white throne judgment:

Satan's little season is NOT for testing people. His time doesn't come until AFTER the thousand years have expired. What do you imagine the thousand years given this earth while Satan was bound is for? This time is for proclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ unto all the nations of the world. Remember, Satan's binding is that he can deceive the nations of this world no more.

Revelation 20:3 (KJV) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Before being bound, Satan held the nations in bondage to fear of death through sin. He was able to do this because none of the Gentile nations of the world had heard the prophecy of the coming Savior as the nation of Israel had. (Ro 9:3-5; Acts 3:25; Ro 3:1-2) Since a remnant of the nation, according to election by grace heard the prophecy of the coming Messiah, and by grace through faith they believed and are saved through Christ. (Ro 9:27)

Heb 2:14 ¶ Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

But Gentile nations did not have this same advantage, so Satan was able to hold the nations in fear of death until Christ came and through His cross and resurrection the power over death Satan held was broken for Gentiles who heard the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ and believed. Being born again they became children of the light, no longer in darkness and fear of death because Christ gave them eternal life taking fear of death from them.

The sounding of the last/seventh trumpet is very busy. The Bible speaks of several things happening when the seventh angel begins to sound the last trumpet. Since a/the thousand years equates to time, according to Rev 10:5-7 when the seventh trumpet sounds time given this earth wherein man might be saved shall be no longer.

Re 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Re 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Re 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Notice at this time according to what is written, the seventh angel sounds for day(s). Each of the six trumpets before the last angel made a trumpet blast followed by exact details of all that would immediately begin to come to pass. But the sounding of the seventh trumpet blasts for days, indicating not only that the mystery of God should be finished (salvation ended), but also a little season of time after the Kingdom of God in heaven is complete.

The mystery that had been hidden but revealed through Christ is that elect Gentiles with elect remnant of Jews would together complete the Kingdom of God in heaven. (Ro 11:25; Col 1:27; 1Ti 3:16) The only time left will be Satan's little season. That will not be for testing people. Gog (antichrists) and Magog (antichristians), IOW unbelievers, under the power of Satan will again try to keep the Kingdom of God in heaven from being complete by destroying every Christian remaining alive on this earth during that time when the seventh trumpet is sounding. The purpose for Satan being loosed will then be made manifest for all the world to see.

After calling all who have been ordained to eternal life, both the living and the dead, to meet Him in the sky, (1Th 4:16-17; ICor 15:51-53; Jo 14:3; Jo 5:28-29; Mt 24:30-31; Rev 22:12 describe believers being caught up, Christ's return, resurrection, and gathering of the faithful)
the fire of God will come down from heaven to destroy every living thing still alive on this earth, and then God will call all of the DEAD (unbelievers) to stand before the great white throne to give account according to what is written in the books and the book of life. All of the DEAD will be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death.

At long last Christ with all of His faithful saints shall be with Him forever on the new earth. (Rev 21:1-5)

 

[Sel@h]

That millenial reign of Christ on earth with His people is often portrayed as one of flesh and blood, a continuation of the people of this earth mixed with glorified christians with Christ reigning from Jerusalem over unbelieving nations.

Okay. Here’s my take on the things that happen at the sounding of the 7th trump when Jesus Christ returns to earth:

First, we are all changed into spiritual bodies and the First Resurrection to eternal life takes place. This period of time is called the Millennium.

Christ's earthly kingdom is not another flesh age. The Millennium (next 1000 years) will be a spiritual (not flesh and blood) existence for all of us, both the saved and the spiritually dead. Some of us will receive eternal life at His return (the First Resurrection). All of us will be here, both the saved and the unsaved, all in spiritual bodies. The Millennium will be a time of much teaching. During this time, Satan will be bound for 1,000 years until he is loosed for a short time after the Millennium. After the Millennium, it’s time for the Great White Throne Judgment. And after the GWTJ comes ETERNITY/the New Jerusalem!

Revelation 20:1-10 (KJV) 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[rwb]

First, we are all changed into spiritual bodies and the First Resurrection to eternal life takes place. This period of time is called the Millennium.

Can you explain exactly what this spiritual body you allege as the first resurrection shall be?

I ask because Paul in 1Cor 15:44 says that when our natural body is sown in death, it is raised a spiritual body, saying, because there is a natural body and a spiritual body. Paul also writes the natural body that shall be resurrected when the last trump sounds is the natural mortal body changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible (1Cor 15:51-54) when death shall be swallowed up in victory. That doesn't support the OPINION of the first resurrection being the bodily resurrection when the last trump sounds.

It appears that Paul does not support your OPINION because he seems to be saying that when born again believers die, we become a spiritual body, our spirit returning to God who gave it (Ecc. 12:7) still a living soul. This is in perfect agreement with the many verses of Scripture that give us assurance that the life we receive when we have been born again of Christ's Spirit is ETERNAL. And that even though our mortal body is destined to die, we live on in heaven as spiritual body where Christ is.

 

[Scott Downey]

Okay. Here’s my take on the things that happen at the sounding of the 7th trump when Jesus Christ returns to earth:

First, we are all changed into spiritual bodies and the First Resurrection to eternal life takes place. This period of time is called the Millennium.

Christ's earthly kingdom is not another flesh age. The Millennium (next 1000 years) will be a spiritual (not flesh and blood) existence for all of us, both the saved and the spiritually dead. Some of us will receive eternal life at His return (the First Resurrection). All of us will be here, both the saved and the unsaved, all in spiritual bodies. The Millennium will be a time of much teaching. During this time, Satan will be bound for 1,000 years until he is loosed for a short time after the Millennium. After the Millennium, it’s time for the Great White Throne Judgment. And after the GWTJ comes ETERNITY/the New Jerusalem!

Revelation 20:1-10 (KJV) 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

not the way scripture describes the end. Revelation is a book of visions. And how do you know that 1000 years is not already ongoing in the heavens, for example this here from Paul, who writes this as our current reality, when we physically die, where are we? and He is always with us right now.

Sit together with Christ in heavenly places....

Ephesians 2
3 Among these also we all had our manner of living in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love wherewith He loved us,

5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ (by grace ye are saved),

6 and hath raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God—

9 not by works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath beforehand ordained, that we should walk in them.

 

[Scott Downey]

The end, and about the life to come that we all will experience at our physical death
The end of course is the end of this world, on the Last Day, when is the resurrection, (the dead rise first), the gathering rapture, and the judgment, and casting into the fire all the unbelieving and those who do not obey the gospel.

John 12:48
He that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My words, hath One that judgeth him; the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the Last Day.

1 Cor 15

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of those who slept.

21 For since by man came death, by Man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive;

23 but every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

24 Then cometh the end when He shall have delivered up the Kingdom to God, even the Father, when He shall have put down all rule, and all authority and power.

25 For He must reign until He hath put all enemies under His feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death,

27 for “He hath put all things under His feet.” But when He saith “all things” are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, who did put all things under Him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son Himself also be subject unto Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.


Sel@h, See your imposing onto revelation a superior view that is not there, and then created a whole doctrine about the end that does not agree with Christ's teaching. That teaching also exalts the fleshly mind about ruling over the heathen and wicked.

Jesus teaches they are separated at the end when He comes, the just from the unjust, the sheep on His right hand, while the unjust are placed on His left, and then they go to their inheritance, one is cursed to eternal fire, the other enter into eternal life in the kingdom of God

 

[Scott Downey]

Keep your mind in the words of Christ, review all of Matthew 13, Matthew 25 where Christ describes what happens when He appears a second time.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 13 - 21st Century King James Version

The same day, Jesus went out of the house and sat by the seaside. And great multitudes were gathered together unto Him, so that He went into a boat and sat, and the whole multitude stood on the shore. And He spoke many things unto them in parables, saying, "Behold, a sower went forth to sow. And...

classic.biblegateway.com

47 “Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a net that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind,

48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth and sever the wicked from among the just,

50 and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

51 Jesus said unto them, “Have ye understood all these things?” They said unto Him, “Yea, Lord.”

 

[Sel@h]

Revelation is a book of visions.

Revelation is a book of prophecy.

 

[Sel@h]

for example this here from Paul, who writes this as our current reality, when we physically die, where are we?

…in heaven.

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

 

[Scott Downey]

Revelation is a book of prophecy.

Which you falsely interpreted

 

[Sel@h]

Which you falsely interpreted

sorry you feel that way

 

[rwb]

Revelation is a book of prophecy.

Prophetic visions of what has been, what is, and what shall be as the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ is preached unto all the nations of the world. It addresses the seven churches “from Him who is, and who was, and who is to come,” showing the eternal nature of God’s revelation.

Revelation 1:19 (KJV) Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

 

[rwb]

…in heaven.

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

This is true, whosoever has been born again need not fear bodily death, because when our natural body dies, we as spiritual body ascend to heaven where we are living souls. Because when we physically die in Christ, we have His blessed assurance the life we received when we were born again of the Spirit sent from Christ, our life is eternal and death of our body cannot keep us from the Lord. This is why John is given to see "living souls" in heaven after born again saints have been martyred for their faith.

But what you may not understand is that even in life, when we have been born again, we are living and reigning with Christ in heaven through His Spirit in us. When we believed we were born again, being quickened (spiritually) through the Spirit sent from Christ. From that moment and forever we are in the Kingdom of God in heaven even before our body dies. That's what Paul means when he writes that we have been raised up (not resurrected) spiritually together with Christ Jesus. So, death does not change our status in Christ, it only changes our residence from this world of time to the eternal world that shall be.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

When we have been born again, through the Spirit of Christ in us we have already come unto mount Sion, the city of the living God in heaven, heavenly Jerusalem, the holy city and are with the angels of God, called the general assembly, and church of the first born, and to God the judge of all. When we have been born again, we aren't in the Kingdom of God in heaven physically, but we are the spiritual body of Christ there as "spirits of just men made perfect." Because the life we receive in Christ when we have been born again is ETERNAL through our spirit, not our flesh.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.