Of what value is the fulfillment of OT prophecy? - since the prophecies were acquired rather than intended

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MatthewG

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What he is saying is that the OT writers were not writing prophecy about Jesus, but were writing other things. Then the NT writers came along and plucked out parts that were not prophecy about Jesus, saying that they were, making out the NT writers to be liars.

I'd call that heresy, and the promoter of such suggestions an heretic.

Much love!


Oh. Well Jesus said that the Old testament scriptures spoke of him, and he himself relayed the coming destruction upon them in that day in age when he had shown up, and Malachi was the last book written which concerned the great and dreadful day of the LORD.


I wish steven would just answer my question though, but he probably wont. I'm actually cool with Yahavah wiping out his own people if he so choose to, because they had put the Messiah to death, but most people are like MATTHEW thats just ugly.


Well I ain't Yahavah, and he himself is the life giver and life taker, and this will continue onward forever and ever and ever.
 

marks

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One of the first things I notice about someone teaching falsely is that they seldom post a Bible verse. Generally they will post just a reference and then go on to make their false claims. Generally I find that actually posting the verses themselves will clarify the matter.

Genesis 3:15 KJV
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Galatians 4:4-5 KJV
4) But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5) To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Matthew 1:18 KJV
18) Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

"Aquired prophecy"? Where?

This is the same as the first. You seem to have already pumped up your list that already does not show what you claim.
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Genesis 22:18
The Messiah would be a descendant of Abraham, because of Abraham's great faith
Matthew 1:1, Luke 3:34, Romans 4:13, Galatians 3:7
Genesis 22:18 KJV
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Matthew 1:1 KJV
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Luke 3:34 KJV
34) Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,


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I'm not wasting any more time on this, this is not a list of supposed fulfillments of "aquired prophecies", this is a sham. Did you think no one would look??

Much love ~ I hope you can come to terms with a true faith in the true God. You are pitting the OT against the NT and the one who is going to lose in that contest is you.
 

St. SteVen

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What he is saying is that the OT writers were not writing prophecy about Jesus, but were writing other things. Then the NT writers came along and plucked out parts that were not prophecy about Jesus, saying that they were, making out the NT writers to be liars.
I'm not calling them liars. But the comparative texts raise questions.
But apparently, you don't allow questions.

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marks

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I'm not calling them liars. But the comparative texts raise questions.
But apparently, you don't allow questions.
Again, gaslighting won't work here. Not with me.

You've posted a concocted list that doesn't substantiate your assertion that the NT writers were falsely claiming "fulfilled prophecy". So gaslight all you want if it makes you feel better, but I've read your threads. You cast doubt on the Scriptures. You've been doing this a long time.













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St. SteVen

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I'm not wasting any more time on this, this is not a list of supposed fulfillments of "aquired prophecies", this is a sham. Did you think no one would look??
It's not my list. There are 70 references. You say the first three are good. The question is:
How many of these 70 prophecies are legitimate?

I have given three other examples on my own. Did you read those? Posts #24 and #28.

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St. SteVen

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You've posted a concocted list that doesn't substantiate your assertion that the NT writers were falsely claiming "fulfilled prophecy". So gaslight all you want if it makes you feel better, but I've read your threads. You cast doubt on the Scriptures. You've been doing this a long time.
Did you respond to my three examples in posts #24 and #28?

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St. SteVen

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Ephesians 4:8 NIV
This is why it[a] says:
“When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people.”[b]
--- NO IT DOESN'T! ---

Psalm 68:18 NIV
When you ascended on high,
you took many captives;
you received gifts from people,
even from[a] the rebellious—
that you,[b] Lord God, might dwell there.

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marks

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Did you respond to my three examples
Why bother? Your list isn't what you purport it to be. And do you think you will convince me to distrust the NT writers? Think again.

You say the first three are good.
I said the first three don't show what you've claimed. That the NT writes appropriated prophecies not meant for what they said.

And here you've changed what I've said into something I didn't say. That speaks volumes. If you'll do that to me, you'll do it to anyone, whenever you feel the need, I guess.

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Why bother? Your list isn't what you purport it to be. And do you think you will convince me to distrust the NT writers? Think again.

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Then you believe Jewish unbelievers over the Bible. Not a good look.
 

marks

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They have an objective overview of their own scriptures.
Perhaps we should listen to them.
And there you have it.



We should accept the word of Jewish unbelievers over Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.



No, I don't think so.



And make a mental note . . . don't try to gaslight me on this one either in some future day.



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marks

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Don't tell me what to post, or what not to.

This is why people hate Christians. Well done.
Really? You sure have it out for Christians.

But OK, If you insist you want to gaslight others, certainly I won't be stopping you.

It will be foolish if you think it's going to work with me. I've read your threads, you go on in this same way.

The Apostle Paul is guilty as well. Just sayin'. See post #48.
Fully repugnant that you would drag Paul into your heresy.
 
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marks

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Put up, or shut up.
I'm not playing your games, and I don't care about your accusations.

You claiming that I'm not interested in truth is a foolish and presumptuous statement. And I'm not going to shut up . . . this is why people hate . . . oh nevermind.