Oklahoma orders first shipment of Bibles for use in public school classrooms

[GodsGrace]

Thanks for your detailed post.

Note: my reading of the order re the diverter is that the water will now be primarily for agriculture in the Central Valley. Naturally CA is going to sue to stop it. President Trump’s reasoning is: People First, not supposedly endangered species.

Since God created animals for us, while we maintain stewardship, this strikes me as the preferred priority.

Peace.

Correct. I just mentioned in another post that God gave the animals and nature to us, not reversed.

Re the water....you're right...it also is need for farming - which has been forced into extinction, however, the water would also reach LA.
The entire situation is a mess due to folk that believe fish and flowers are more important then people.

I'll also mention that electrical wires are still above ground due to a flower that grows wild which this LA adm does not want to disturb. Hears that on one news outlet - I'd like to hear it from a few sources b efore posting, but take it or leave it. This stuff does't even sound like it could be true...

 

[Matthias]

Still stalled.

Oklahoma superintendent seeks Supreme Court approval for classroom Bibles

Oklahoma Superintendent Ryan Walters is asking the state Supreme Court to allow Bibles in public school classrooms, citing historical significance and concerns about Christianity's presence in schools.

www.koco.com

 

[Rockerduck]

They could call out to churches around the country and receive bibles for free. I wonder if anyone thought of that.

 

[Riven]

But why? I mean, if you want to learn about the bible and Christianity, why not just go to church?

 

[Matthias]

But why?

It’s what the elected state government leaders and the majority of parents want taught in the public school system.

I mean, if you want to learn about the bible and Christianity, why not just go to church?

They can do that too. Not everyone will.

 

[Rockerduck]

In the 1960's, Christianity was in the fabric of society. It was taught in school, church, and home. Christians existed in neighborhoods and watched out for children playing. Imagine, what 1860 was like. There wasn't leftist ideology taking prayer out school, then bible clubs out of school. Fast forward, look at schools now, after God was removed. We even had preachers come to high school assembles and preached. Put bibles back in school, maybe some teachers will read it.

 

[Bob]

But why? I mean, if you want to learn about the bible and Christianity, why not just go to church?

Good question!

So, how should our “little monster” toddlers be taught the rudiments of being a human: living harmoniously with others? Parents have the primary responsibility, but how is that working out overall in today‘s society. In any event, schools can and should play a role in reinforcing the attributes of solid citizens.

The Bible teaches us to Love Our Neighbors. Why not let the schools reference it in teaching this important aspect of civics, instead of assigning some secular textbooks?

Peace

 

[Matthias]

If they’re really going to do it, why not do it with the Aitken Bible?

“Bible of the Revolution”: the Aitken Bible in the Rare Book and Special Collections Division | Bibliomania

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The Robert Aitken Bible is the first Bible printed in the English language in America. It is known as “The Bible of the Revolution”. Small enough to fit...

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[Matthias]

Meanwhile, in the Netherlands …

https://x.com/uoj_america/status/1988699892223795394?s=61

 

[Triumph1300]

That's nothing new.
There have been "Christian Schools" in the Netherlands for a long time.
Some are named "School with the Bible".

Even some small town Public Schools have a weekly Bible teaching hour.
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Maybe the "Orthodox Teaching" is a different thing.

For this to take place, there must be at least three pupils within the same school who express their wish to participate, and the head teacher is required to contact the Centre for Formational Education (Het Centrum voor Vormingsonderwijs), which intermediates relations between schools, the Ministry of Education and the officially recognised denominations.

 

[Matthias]

That's nothing new.
There have been "Christian Schools" in the Netherlands for a long time.
Some are named "School with the Bible".
Even some small town Public Schools have a weekly Bible teaching hour.

Maybe the "Orthodox Teaching" is a different thing.

The Orthodox Church is definitely ”a different thing,” which is reflected in what they think and say about Catholics and Protestants.

Post in thread 'Orthodox Christianity'
Orthodox Christianity

 

[Triumph1300]

Looking at the photo you posted, the hair style represents a small group of Christian people, a minority of Church goers.

There are several small to midsize towns where they reside.
I suspect the schools in these towns are the schools mentioned in your link.

Certainly not many.
The news report seems to blow it out of proportion.

 

[Matthias]

Looking at the photo you posted, the hair style represents a small group of Christian people, a minority of Church goers.

There are several small to midsize towns where they reside.
I suspect the schools in these towns are the schools mentioned in your link.

Certainly not many.
The news report seems to blow it out of proportion.

All I know about it is what I’m reading from Orthodox Church sources.

Orthodox Religion may be studied in Dutch schools | Orthodox Times (en)

Orthodoxy may now be studied officially in Dutch schools. Wherever parents register their children and trained teachers are available, an Orthodox Christian religion class can be organised. Beginning with the 2025–2026 school year, parents can register children aged 6-12 for the Orthodox...

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[Matthias]

Government schools teaching the Bible is one thing; government schools teaching any particular government approved church‘s doctrines is another.

At least it’s not a mandatory class for students.

 

[Brakelite]

The percentage of Bible believing Christians in the church is surprisingly low. The number of Christians who have written off Genesis as myth is surprisingly high. The number of Bible believing teachers in public schools surely must be even worse. Most parents I would imagine have the idea that the school can teach the basics, and the church can correct any errors along the way. As of 2 hours of church, most of which is concert, can correct the roots of a full weeks lessons by a determined unbeliever. And the role of the parents? Drive them to school where the kids can be indoctrinated..(and don't believe for a moment that an atheist or agnostic or indifferent will be completely neutral in their teaching and not allow their own emotional limitations to be communicated to the students).
Forget about Bible in schools. It's bad enough committing your kids to churches these days. Do the job yourself. You will be held accountable in the judgement for your lack of commitment to raising your children to know the Lord.

 

[Riven]

Meanwhile, in the Netherlands …

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What exactly is there to teach? I went to a Christian private school for the last four years of high school. They injected biblical stories into the curriculum.

So the students could name stories from the bible, but they couldn't tell me the names of the planets in our solar system because there were no science books allowed.

 

[Matthias]

What exactly is there to teach? I went to a Christian private school for the last four years of high school. They injected biblical stories into the curriculum.

There’s a difference between teaching a biblical story and teaching a church doctrine. And these are public schools we’re talking about, not private schools.

As an agnostic, would you be in favor of public schools teaching church doctrine to students in public school? Is that how you would like to see tax dollars used? If you are, which church’s doctrine would you like to see taught?

So the students could name stories from the bible, but they couldn't tell me the names of the planets in our solar system because there were no science books allowed.

Not all private Christian schools are like the one you attended. My daughter attended a private Christian high school and was required to take biology, chemistry, physics, calculus, etc. in order to graduate.

I live in an area of the Commonwealth that is roughly 80% Catholic. The local Catholic high school is one of the very best academic schools, public or private, in the entire state. They teach Catholic doctrine but that is a very small portion of the curriculum.

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How’ve you been? I haven’t seen you around here much lately.

 

[Riven]

There’s a difference between teaching a biblical story and teaching a church doctrine. And these are public schools we’re talking about, not private schools.

As an agnostic, would you be in favor of public schools teaching church doctrine to students in public school? Is that how you would like to see tax dollars used? If you are, which church’s doctrine would you like to see taught?

I believe that religion belongs in church, not in public schools that are funded by the federal government. Because as soon as you open the door for one faith being taught in school, you must teach them all.

Not all private Christian schools are like the one you attended. My daughter attended a private Christian high school and was required to take biology, chemistry, physics, calculus, etc. in order to graduate.

I live in an area of the Commonwealth that is roughly 80% Catholic. The local Catholic high school is one of the very best academic schools, public or private, in the entire state. They teach Catholic doctrine but that is a very small portion of the curriculum.

Did they teach evolution? How do they square that with Genesis?

How’ve you been? I haven’t seen you around here much lately.

I've been alright. Very busy lately. Yourself?

 

[Matthias]

I believe that religion belongs in church, not in public schools that are funded by the federal government. Because as soon as you open the door for one faith being taught in school, you must teach them all.

I think that’s a legitimate concern.

My grandson is enrolled in a small Christian (Baptist) school. Last year was the school’s first graduating high school class -> 2.

I want him to be taught church doctrine. He’ll only get Baptist church doctrine from the school. I’ll teach him other churches doctrines privately.

Did they teach evolution?

Yes. They wanted their students to be well-rounded on the subject. While they also taught creationism.

How do they square that with Genesis?

They didn’t.

I've been alright. Very busy lately. Yourself?

I’ve been busier than usual myself.

 

[Bob]

I believe that religion belongs in church, not in public schools that are funded by the federal government. Because as soon as you open the door for one faith being taught in school, you must teach them all.


Did they teach evolution? How do they square that with Genesis?


I've been alright. Very busy lately. Yourself?

Thank you for your comments.

Agreed: teaching religion does not belong in a public school.

So, may be civics should be taught again—Not just the structure of our government and the political duties of citizens, but respect for the rule of law.

In our city there is increasing violence (shootings, stabbings) along with petty theft. One suspects there is no teaching in the home that these are wrong. Perhaps the schools could step up.

In other words: teach the basic Commandments that say, “do no harm to others,” but without referencing them as Commandments.

Blessings.
Blessings.