Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[BreadOfLife]

That's insulting, not at all Christian
What renegade priest taught you it was okay to talk to people that way?

The same guy who said it was okay for YOU to call me "Dumbo".

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

well, the roman catholic church did their best to kill them all off

Kill WHO, exactly??
Show me some actual evidence for these "remnants" you're talking about - or simply admit that you have none.

 

[BreadOfLife]

pls, the selling of indulgences is based upon an assumption of OSAS lol

That's absolutely false.
Besides - WHO sold indulgences?? Certainly NOT the Catholic Church.

Study your history . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Boy - talk about denial.
Read carefully:

Matt. 5:13
“You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for ANYTHING except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.

If you are saved and guaranteed eternity in Heaven - HOW can you be considered "no longer good for anything"??
This verse is absolutely about losing one's salvation. Remember - Rev. 21:27 tells us that NOTHING impure or imperfect can enter Heaven.

Wrong use of Matthew 5:13;
Catholics chase after this verse and it's always wrong
This verse talks about being disqualified for the prize.
This verse talks about castaways.
Read Matthew 22:1-14;
If you can understand it, you've got the true interpretation of Matthew 5:13;

 

[bbyrd009]

That's absolutely false.
Besides - WHO sold indulgences?? Certainly NOT the Catholic Church.

Study your history . . .

John Tetzel: monk who sold indulgences in Germany in 1517 for Albert of Hohenzollern (a German noble) and Pope Leo X. That triggered Martin Luther's posting of the "95 Theses" in Wittenburg.

not that i expect the truth to slow you down any, but indulgences being sold by the RCC are a fact of life for everyone else on the planet, BoL

 

[BreadOfLife]

I'm shaking my head about your behaviour.

In Galatians 5, Paul lists a variety of sins:
"sexual immorality,
impurity and debauchery;
idolatry and witchcraft;
hatred, discord, jealousy,
fits of rage, selfish ambition,
dissensions, factions and envy;
drunkenness, orgies, and the like" (v. 19-21).

Some of these are behavioral, some are attitudinal, but all of them are self-centered and stem from the sinful heart.

Does "Fits of Rage and Selfish Ambition" ring a bell for you, BOL?

Yup - every time I read an anti-Catholic post here.
As for me - I don't get angry - I simply expose falsehoods.

You guys crack me up. You tell lies all day long about the Catholic Church - then you call "angry" or "mean" because I hold you accountable to the truth.

 

[BreadOfLife]

John Tetzel: monk who sold indulgences in Germany in 1517 for Albert of Hohenzollern (a German noble) and Pope Leo X. That triggered Martin Luther's posting of the "95 Theses" in Wittenburg.

not that i expect the truth to slow you down any, but indulgences being sold by the RCC are a fact of life for everyone else on the planet, BoL

There's only ONE part of that statement that is true.

John Tetzel sold indulgences - but NOT by the Pope's edict. He did this on his own.
It was an abuse - and NOT an order from the Church.

The Church has never sanctioned the sale of Indulgences and quickly condemned the practice once it came to light.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

That's absolutely false.
Besides - WHO sold indulgences?? Certainly NOT the Catholic Church.

Study your history . . .

That's absolutely false.
Besides - WHO sold indulgences?? Certainly NOT the Catholic Church.

Study your history . . .

Catechism
X
1471
page 411

X. Indulgences

1471 The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance.

What is an indulgence?

"An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints."81
"An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin."82 Indulgences may be applied to the living or the dead.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Don't play catechism games with me.
I already warned you I know more than you.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Wrong use of Matthew 5:13;
Catholics chase after this verse and it's always wrong
This verse talks about being disqualified for the prize.
This verse talks about castaways.
Read Matthew 22:1-14;
If you can understand it, you've got the true interpretation of Matthew 5:13;

Wrong, sparky.
"no longer good for ANYTHING" means no longer good for Heaven as well.

Rev. 21:27 proves this.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Catechism
X
1471
page 411

X. Indulgences

1471 The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance.

What is an indulgence?

"An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints."81
"An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin."82 Indulgences may be applied to the living or the dead.

What's your point here?
I said that the Church never SOLD Indulgences.

Pay attention . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Don't play catechism games with me.
I already warned you I know more than you.

WHO are you talking to??
I'm not playing "Catechism games".

Pay attention, Rollo . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

There, from now on you can call me Friar Tuck because I know more about catholicism than you
And I know the catechism too
Been studying the latest version for years

To what are you referring, exactly??
WHAT do you know "more" about??

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The same guy who said it was okay for YOU to call me "Dumbo".

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds . . .

Ooh, you have a memory.
I thought everything I said went over your head and was there for everyone else's enjoyment.

 

[BreadOfLife]

hypocritically (ˌhypoˈcritically)
adverb
Word origin of 'hypocrite'
C13: from Old French ipocrite, via Late Latin, from Greek hupokritēs one who plays a part, from hupokrinein to feign, from krinein to judge
Word Frequency
hypocrite in American
(ˈhɪpəˌkrɪt ; hipˈəkritˌ)

noun
a person who pretends to be what he or she is not; one who pretends to be better than is really so, or to be pious, virtuous, etc. without really being so
Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. All rights reserved.

Derived forms
hypocritical (ˌhypoˈcritical) (ˈhɪpəˈkrɪtɪkəl ; hipˈəkritˈikəl)
adjective
hypocritically (ˌhypoˈcritically)
adverb
Word origin of 'hypocrite'
ME ipocrite < OFr < L hypocrita, stage actor (in LL(Ec), hypocrite) < Gr hypokritēs, an actor (in LXX & N.T., a pretender, hypocrite) < hypokrinesthai: see hypocrisy

Well, thanks for the Webster's Dictionary definition - but that's NOT what I asked.
I asked you to tell me HOW I am a hypocrite.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Ooh, you have a memory.
I thought everything I said went over your head and was there for everyone else's enjoyment.

Just exposing your hypocrisy . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Wrong, sparky.
"no longer good for ANYTHING" means no longer good for Heaven as well.

Rev. 21:27 proves this.

I guess Matthew 22:1-14; is over your head too.
You need some serious Bible study away from your renegade priest.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

To what are you referring, exactly??
WHAT do you know "more" about??

the so-called one and only universal church that can't even keep their priests under control.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Best to get a Toddler Bible, since you can not comprehend Losing Salvation is possible when one never receives Salvation.

Thanks for dodging the question.
Now, how about answering it?

ONE more time:
Where does God say that you can NEVER lose your salvation??

 

[BreadOfLife]

the so-called one and only universal church that can't even keep their priests under control.

Oh - you mean the way your Protestant ministers are "under control"??
The way that this problem is FAR worse in your Protestant sects than in the Catholic Church??

 

[BreadOfLife]

the so-called one and only universal church that can't even keep their priests under control.

Changing the subject is the final crefuge of the truly desperate.
If you can't have an intelligent discussion - just admit it and move on.