Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[bbyrd009]

i won't bother here, but it is much easier to make a case that OSAS believers do not understand the relationship, and will never be saved, as "who then can be saved?" suggests. When the first Religious Guy insists "OSAS" is when one should be pausing and reflecting imo, and the list of fallen "pastors" who have preached the doctrine speaks for itself, if the exegesis does not imo.

unfortunately there is a grain of truth in it, but it ends up getting abused for something else, and becomes an ersatz guarantee of 'salvation,' which definition is warped into "Life more abundantly, as soon as we die."

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Never heard this.

Not exactly.
To fear God is to worship him in great awe of what he is.

 

[bbyrd009]

yet God tells us "Do not fear, for I am with you."
"God is Love"
"perfect love drives out fear (worship)"
etc

Never heard this.

it works well for a perspective change, but God is not interested in religious ritual worship anyway, this pov can be supported in many passages. It is humans who want rituals, not God. God seeks a better definition of "worship" imo

 

[GodsGrace]

Not exactly.
To fear God is to worship him in great awe of what he is.

I knew that to fear God means to have respect for Him and the fact that
He's the creator.
Thanks for the info.

 

[GodsGrace]

it works well for a perspective change, but God is not interested in religious ritual worship anyway, this pov can be supported in many passages. It is humans who want rituals, not God.

I agree.
I do have to say that I think rituals are good for children. It ties them
more to the faith.

 

[bbyrd009]

I agree.
I do have to say that I think rituals are good for children. It ties them
more to the faith.

for sure! fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
we fear first, nothing wrong with that i guess

 

[bbyrd009]

OSAS can even be seen as a declaration of lack of fear, which could be genuine, or

a counterfeit way to have no fear, like whistling past a graveyard, in someone who still has fear

and their fruit will determine where they are on the matter. iow if in the next minute they are counselling you into fear, say for not completing one of the items on their salvation checklist, then there you go, you then have all the proof you need

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

i won't bother here, but it is much easier to make a case that OSAS believers do not understand the relationship, and will never be saved, as "who then can be saved?" suggests. When the first Religious Guy insists "OSAS" is when one should be pausing and reflecting imo, and the list of fallen "pastors" who have preached the doctrine speaks for itself, if the exegesis does not imo.

unfortunately there is a grain of truth in it, but it ends up getting abused for something else, and becomes an ersatz guarantee of 'salvation,' which definition is warped into "Life more abundantly, as soon as we die."

And what is it that you believe and why?

 

[GodsGrace]

OSAS can even be seen as a declaration of lack of fear, which could be genuine, or

a counterfeit way to have no fear, like whistling past a graveyard, in someone who still has fear

and their fruit will determine where they are on the matter. iow if in the next minute they are counselling you into fear, say for not completing one of the items on their salvation checklist, then there you go, you then have all the proof you need

I don't get your last paragraph.
Some on this very forum believe that I live in fear of God. An unhealthy fear,,,just because I don't believe in osas.

 

[bbyrd009]

And what is it that you believe and why?

hmm, your Q is a little too general for a specific answer, but i am led to wonder how we might be defining Understand I AM in this context, for starters.
I believe understanding I AM will cause most/all beliefs centered around the past or the future to assume their proper place.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

you don't even know what you believe
why am I not surprised

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't get your last paragraph.
Some on this very forum believe that I live in fear of God. An unhealthy fear,,,just because I don't believe in osas.

there i would be paying attention to who first invoked the word fear, and understand that your definition of "beliefs" is likely different than theirs too. For this person has just testified that their faith is predicated upon their beliefs, whereas you seem to me at least to have become much more the observer, and this is or at least can be a very hard place to get to, or stay in.

i'm constantly inventing some new belief to inhabit with my faith lol, dunno about you.
Desires and expectations usually walk hand in hand

should be fairly easy to demonstrate that whether you "believe" in the doctrine or not, if it is truth then it will obtain regardless of one's "belief" in it anyway, right? But note how this almost universally is/will not be adequate for the "believer," and ask yourself why not?

 

[bbyrd009]

you don't even know what you believe
why am I not surprised

well, i don't believe in death cults that assure me that Christ came for Life, more abundantly as soon as i am dead, that's for sure

and i notice you didn't answer the Q? why am i not surprised?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

there i would be paying attention to who first invoked the word fear, and understand that your definition of "beliefs" is likely different than theirs too. For this person has just testified that their faith is predicated upon their beliefs, whereas you seem to me at least to have become much more the observer, and this is or at least can be a very hard place to get to, or stay in.

i'm constantly inventing some new belief to inhabit with my faith lol, dunno about you.
Desires and expectations usually walk hand in hand

should be fairly easy to demonstrate that whether you "believe" in the doctrine or not, if it is truth then it will obtain regardless of one's "belief" in it anyway, right? But note how this almost universally is/will not be adequate for the "believer," and ask yourself why not?

This includes yourself, right?
Or are you above that?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

well, i don't believe in death cults that assure me that Christ came for Life, more abundantly as soon as i am dead, that's for sure

and i notice you didn't answer the Q? why am i not surprised?

Because you have been a very difficult read since day one.

 

[bbyrd009]

This includes yourself, right?
Or are you above that?

"i'm constantly inventing some new belief to inhabit with my faith lol, dunno about you."

 

[bbyrd009]

Because you have been a very difficult read since day one.

"how are we defining 'Understand I AM'" doesn't strike me as ezackly hard to understand, Rollo
wadr

 

[bbyrd009]

"Once Saved Always Saved" most often amounts to a clever way to remove someone from Now, and take them to Tomorrow
imo

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

"how are we defining 'Understand I AM'" doesn't strike me as ezackly hard to understand, Rollo
wadr

okay, you win

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

"Once Saved Always Saved" most often amounts to a clever way to remove someone from Now, and take them to Tomorrow
imo

I'm glad to hear you have an opinion on this subject