Once saved always saved

[Armour of God]

Are you 'working' for your free gift ?

All I know is once I die then I will find out if I will be saved.
Until then I will continue to do good deeds, repent for my sins and follow in Christ's footsteps.

 

[PeterAndroz]

All I know is once I die then I will find out if I will be saved.
Until then I will continue to do good deeds, repent for my sins and follow in Christ's footsteps.

Sounds like you don't FULLY trust Christs work at the cross.
So to be sure you'll just add a bit of what you do to what Christ did to make sure you enter Heaven

 

[Taken]

Beware of false beliefs and those that preach them. OSAS is false.

I do not find a teaching or reasoning for your charge.

Please share your experience with Salvation…

Are you saved?

If yes, How many times have you been saved?

If more than ONCE…

How / Why did you lose your Salvation?

And…

Once a person becomes Saved….
What Power would you say…
Keeps that person Saved?
Gods Power?
The man’s power?
Some other power?


Thank you.

 

[Armour of God]

Sounds like you don't FULLY trust Christs work at the cross.
So to be sure you'll just add a bit of what you do to what Christ did to make sure you enter Heaven

I don't understand your objection to that.
You've admitted that you do good works and repent.
Take the log out of own eye my friend as I'm only doing exactly what you do.

Perhaps you would prefer if I do bad deeds, not repent and not follow in Christs footsteps.
That would be nonsense.
Thats not what you do.

I don't care what you think.
I choose to do good works, follow in Christs footsteps and repent.
I know you do the same things so stop being a hypocrite.

 

[Debp]

All I know is once I die then I will find out if I will be saved.
Until then I will continue to do good deeds, repent for my sins and follow in Christ's footsteps.

11And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
1 John 5:11-13


@Armour of God perhaps you are getting justification by faith and discipleship or sanctification mixed up. We are justified by our faith in Christ. (There's an old saying explaining about being justified...it's as if you have never sinned.)

Now sanctification is the process by which we become more Christ-like in our lives. The Holy Spirit helps us in this.

1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, Romans 5:1-2


@Armour of God You should take a look at this page about how Jesus Christ is the propitiation for our sins. Propitiation refers to God's wrath having been satisfied by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Topical Bible: Propitiantion

 

[PeterAndroz]

I don't understand your objection to that.
You've admitted that you do good works and repent.
Take the log out of own eye my friend as I'm only doing exactly what you do.

Perhaps you would prefer if I do bad deeds, not repent and not follow in Christs footsteps.
That would be nonsense.
Thats not what you do.

I don't care what you think.
I choose to do good works, follow in Christs footsteps and repent.
I know you do the same things so stop being a hypocrite.

Works BECAUSE you ARE saved and NOT to remain or be saved
Take the TREE out of your eye.
..
Why do you refuse to do ANIMAL SACRIFICES as commanded by GOD/Jesus in the Bible ?

 

[Armour of God]

Are you saved?

I believe I will be saved when I die.

Why do you and others speak in the passed tense, as if your already in heaven.

Salvation only happens after we die, it's a future event. So I can't understand how you guys speak as if it's already happened.

I notice the bible used this passed tense of the word as well.
I read that the Greek word of save can be used in passed, present or future tense. Maybe thats where the confusion lies.

 

[Armour of God]

11And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
1 John 5:11-13


@Armour of God perhaps you are getting justification by faith and discipleship or sanctification mixed up. We are justified by our faith in Christ. (There's an old saying explaining about being justified...it's as if you have never sinned.)

Now sanctification is the process by which we become more Christ-like in our lives. The Holy Spirit helps us in this.

1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, Romans 5:1-2


@Armour of God You should take a look at this page about how Jesus Christ is the propitiation for our sins. Propitiation refers to God's wrath having been satisfied by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Topical Bible: Propitiantion

This is in reply to me saying I do good deeds, repent and follow in Christs footsteps.

Don't you do the same?

 

[Armour of God]

Works BECAUSE you ARE saved and NOT to remain or be saved
Take the TREE out of your eye.
..
Why do you refuse to do ANIMAL SACRIFICES as commanded by GOD/Jesus in the Bible ?

Do you do good deeds, repent and follow in Christs footsteps?

 

[PeterAndroz]

This is in reply to me saying I do good deeds, repent and follow in Christs footsteps.

Don't you do the same?

Good deeds/works are BECAUSE you ARE SAVED & HS sealed and NOT to remain saved & HS sealed as you appear to believe.

 

[Armour of God]

Good deeds/works are BECAUSE you ARE SAVED & HS sealed and NOT to remain saved & HS sealed as you appear to believe.

So you do the same as well.
Therefore stop being a hypocrite.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Do you do good deeds, repent and follow in Christs footsteps?

Whatever 'works' I do are as a THANKYOU to Christ for what He did and not a maintenance contract.
I am not a LEGALIST who believes performance is a REQUIREMENT to remain saved & HS sealed.

 

[PeterAndroz]

So you do the same as well.
Therefore stop being a hypocrite.

Says the person who REJECTS that the pre-existent Christ was involved in the writing of the OT

 

[Armour of God]

Whatever 'works' I do are as a THANKYOU to Christ for what He did and not a maintenance contract.
I am not a LEGALIST who believes performance is a REQUIREMENT to remain saved & HS sealed.

You do good deeds and repent.
I do exactly the same.

Your objecting to nothing as far as I can see.

Would you prefer it if I did bad deeds and not repent?
What exactly do you wish I do?

 

[PeterAndroz]

You do good deeds and repent.
I do exactly the same.

Your objecting to nothing as far as I can see.

and if you STOP doing going deeds & your ONLY repent is from the sin of DISbelief, do you believe you remain eternally saved ?

 

[Armour of God]

and if you STOP doing going deeds & your ONLY repent is from the sin of DISbelief, do you believe you remain eternally saved ?

I'm not talking about what I believe.
I'm talking about what I do. My actions

Would you prefer if I did bad deeds and not repent?

 

[Armour of God]

This whole argument is nonsensical

We all have faith
We all do good deeds
We all repent
We're all baptised
We all follow in Christs footsteps
It's a debate about nothing

 

[PeterAndroz]

I'm not talking about what I believe.
I'm talking about what I do. My actions

Would you prefer if I did bad deeds and not repent?

2 easy questions, see if you can answer a simple YES or NO to both.
If not then it will be apparent you DON'T KNOW.

Do you believe you REMAIN saved if you stop doing good deeds ?
Do you believe GOOD deeds are a requirement to REMAIN saved ?

 

[Taken]

I believe I will be saved when I die.

Yes.
An account of a bodily death is Required BEFORE the Gift of Salvation IS Given.

And WHY, I chose the Offering to be Bodily Crucified with Jesus’ Body…
And THAT Record Accounted, in the Lambs Book of Life.
And WHY, I was ABLE to Receive my Gift of Salvation, Before “physical, mortal death”.

Why do you and others speak in the passed tense, as if your already in heaven.

Already in heaven?
From Earth to Heaven, Begins in the Sky Above Earth.
On a day, we can “SEE” Clouds…
We are literally “SEEING” a glimpse of Heaven.
In the Night, when we can SEE Stars…
We are literally “SEEING” a glimpse of Heaven.
Mountain climbers Experience being IN Heaven, if they reach the clouds.
Airplanes fly, carrying passengers, all experience a glimpse of Heaven.
Moses, experienced being IN Heaven.
The Raptured will experience being IN Heaven.

Salvation only happens after we die, it's a future event. So I can't understand how you guys speak as if it's already happened.

Because you don’t understand, Crucified WITH Christ meaning.

I notice the bible used this passed tense of the word as well.
I read that the Greek word of save can be used in passed, present or future tense. Maybe thats where the confusion lies.

The Lord came Teaching Truths, Offerings, Promises.

Humans WAIT… to SEE…
God DECLARES…and it is Already Accomplished.

I Wait to SEE the Promise my Glorified Body.
God has Already Washed, Cleansed, Sanctified, Made holy, Glorified, my Body…

Think of it … A wrapped Gift that has Not Yet been unwrapped… is unseen to your human eyes.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

This whole argument is nonsensical

We all have faith
We all do good deeds
We all repent
We're all baptised
We all follow in Christs footsteps
It's a debate about nothing

It’s a debate/ discussion…
About “Sight”…
Can you possess, what you can not See?

Some will challenge and say no, because …
Seeing is Proof.
Seeing IS Believing.

Do you have a soul?
Prove it, let me see it.

Do you have a spirit?
Prove it, let me see it.

Do you have faith?
Prove it, let me see it.

The point IS spiritual things ARE invisible to a man’s sight.

My saved soul, my quickened spirit, my heartful belief and faith IN the Lord God
IS invisible to you…
Yet I possess each of those things.

Glory to God,
Taken