Once saved always saved

[Dryhn]

Yes, the OSAS believers used a wrong tactics here. Instead of painting Judas 'never believed', 'devil' in the first place, why not paint him as a true believer who repented for his sin and is forgiven by GRACE, by blood of Jesus. So, Judas savation never lost. He is with Jesus in heaven !!

There is no sin Jesus's blood cannot wash away, isn't it?

At the time Judas & Peter etc did not know of Salvation c/- death, burial, resurrection of Christ

Matt 16:
21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

 

[Dryhn]

For the same token, I could say the same thing.
God has chosen you but you were never chosen to be saved.

Foreknowledge - GOD knows who will be saved but does not randomly choose those bound for destruction

2 Pet 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1 Tim 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

 

[rwb]

For the same token, I could say the same thing.
God has chosen you but you were never chosen to be saved.

You can say anything you wish! Are you offended because I've spoken the truth to you?

 

[rwb]

Yes, the OSAS believers used a wrong tactics here. Instead of painting Judas 'never believed', 'devil' in the first place, why not paint him as a true believer who repented for his sin and is forgiven by GRACE, by blood of Jesus. So, Judas savation never had lost. He is with Jesus in heaven !!

There is no sin Jesus's blood cannot wash away, isn't it?

In that case , it is still faith + works (remorse), not just faith alone.

Because this does not come from the Bible, but from your heart. Why? Because you find the truth offensive.

 

[rwb]

Foreknowledge - GOD knows who will be saved but does not randomly choose those bound for destruction

2 Pet 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1 Tim 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Yes, God chooses some for eternal life because all of mankind is destined to die. If God did not choose some to be saved through Christ, then no man would be saved. All/whosoever shall be saved come unto Christ through knowledge of the truth, because it is the will of God that they should not perish, but that they should come to repentance according to grace through faith.

 

[Dryhn]

Yes, God chooses some for eternal life because all of mankind is destined to die. If God did not choose some to be saved through Christ, then no man would be saved. All/whosoever shall be saved come unto Christ through knowledge of the truth, because it is the will of God that they should not perish, but that they should come to repentance according to grace through faith.

I understand that GOD knows who will be saved BUT if GOD PRE-determines who will be saved then these following verses are a lie

2 Pet 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1 Tim 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Dryhn]

Yes, the OSAS believers used a wrong tactics here. Instead of painting Judas 'never believed', 'devil' in the first place, why not paint him as a true believer who repented for his sin and is forgiven by GRACE, by blood of Jesus. So, Judas savation never had lost. He is with Jesus in heaven !!

There is no sin Jesus's blood cannot wash away, isn't it?

In that case , it is still faith + works (remorse), not just faith alone.

In that case , it is still faith + works (remorse), not just faith alone.
In that case these following verses are a lie
Titus 3:5-7
Eph 2:8-9
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom5:1

 

[PinSeeker]

Yes, the OSAS believers used a wrong tactics here. Instead of painting Judas 'never believed', 'devil' in the first place, why not paint him as a true believer who repented for his sin and is forgiven by GRACE, by blood of Jesus.

Ahhhh... "OSAS"... the false crusade against it... <chuckles> Whatever... <smile> I would say, though, that if one truly falls away from the faith, it is because he or she was never of God and never a true believer in the first place. They may have shared fellowship for a time with believers, but if they truly fall away, it is because of an evil unbelieving heart that leads them to do so, as the writer of Hebrews (Hebrews 3:12) says.

So, Judas salvation never had lost. He is with Jesus in heaven !!

I think so, yes.

There is no sin Jesus's blood cannot wash away...

That's absolutely correct. There is sin that is unforgivable, though...

In that case , it is still faith + works (remorse), not just faith alone.

Well, only if you understand that our good works are a result and the natural outpouring of the faith we are given when we are born again. In that case, the good works are the proof that we have saving faith, both to ourselves and to others, which is what James says in James 2. If you get that right, then yes.

The 'faith alone' mantra is that we are saved by grace through faith, and there is nothing else ~ which is exactly what Paul says in Ephesians 2:8 ~ so in that sense, it is faith alone. Works follow faith (God's assurance and conviction by the Spirit; Hebrews 11:1) without fail. In being born again, this is what God creates us for, that we would walk in them... we are His workmanship (Ephesians 2:10).

Grace and peace to you, beechan.

 

[Dryhn]

Ahhhh... "OSAS"... the false crusade against it... <chuckles> Whatever... <smile> I would say, though, that if one truly falls away from the faith, it is because he or she was never of God and never a true believer in the first place. They may have shared fellowship for a time with believers, but if they truly fall away, it is because of an evil unbelieving heart that leads them to do so, as the writer of Hebrews (Hebrews 3:12) says.


I think so, yes.


That's absolutely correct. There is sin that is unforgivable, though...


Well, only if you understand that our good works are a result and the natural outpouring of the faith we are given when we are born again. In that case, the good works are the proof that we have saving faith, both to ourselves and to others, which is what James says in James 2. If you get that right, then yes.

The 'faith alone' mantra is that we are saved by grace through faith, and there is nothing else ~ which is exactly what Paul says in Ephesians 2:8 ~ so in that sense, it is faith alone. Works follow faith (God's assurance and conviction by the Spirit; Hebrews 11:1) without fail. In being born again, this is what God creates us for, that we would walk in them... we are His workmanship (Ephesians 2:10).

Grace and peace to you, beechan.

and you're having to step outside of Paul to support your hypothesis < shakes head>