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Dryhn

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If believers are already saved, what is the point of placing them in front of the judgement seat of Christ?

Are good believers goto better places of heaven: villas and mansions. Ordinary you and me goto heaven slums?

You guys are making funny, illogical hermeneutics of the Bible.
Funny = catholic teachings
If you want to go down the insult path, I'm your guy :)

Apparently you don't understand what the Judgement Seat of Christ is all about & who it applies to
 

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Do enlighten me !! I have ears

Don't tell me what you can do, SHOW me what you can do!
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved
The JSOC is for saved believers, not the lost
Where do you believe Paul teaches that Adam, Moses, Abraham, Lot etc are included in this particular judgement ?

Rom 14:10
1 Cor 3:10-15
2 Cor 5:6-10
 

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If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved
The JSOC is for saved believers, not the lost
Where do you believe Paul teaches that Adam, Moses, Abraham, Lot etc are included in this particular judgement ?

Rom 14:10
1 Cor 3:10-15
2 Cor 5:6-10

The New Testament itself destroys this idea. In Hebrews 11 and 12, the writer places Old Testament saints and New Covenant believers into the exact same stadium, running the exact same race, looking toward the exact same prize. They are intrinsically linked to our completion, not segregated into a separate division barred off from grace.
 

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The New Testament itself destroys this idea. In Hebrews 11 and 12, the writer places Old Testament saints and New Covenant believers into the exact same stadium, running the exact same race, looking toward the exact same prize. They are intrinsically linked to our completion, not segregated into a separate division barred off from grace.
Hebrews is not the teachings of Paul for today

Hopefully this helps you :-

 

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If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved
The JSOC is for saved believers, not the lost
Where do you believe Paul teaches that Adam, Moses, Abraham, Lot etc are included in this particular judgement ?

Rom 14:10
1 Cor 3:10-15
2 Cor 5:6-10

The Greek word which is translated as 'suffer loss' is zemiothesetai. It comes from the Greek word zemioo. Forms of this same Greek word, zemioo – which is translated as 'suffer loss' in 1 Cor. 3:15 – are found in other passages in the Bible. The word is used to mean punishment. In Exodus 21:22, Proverbs 17:26, Proverbs 19:19 and elsewhere, this very Greek word zemioo is used to mean punishment. That means that zemiothesetai, the word translated as suffer loss in 1 Cor. 3:15, can mean punishment.


So, the man who suffers loss and is saved by fire can mean a man who is punished and is saved by fire. Doesn’t that sound just like Purgatory? Yes, it sounds exactly like Purgatory because that’s what it’s referring to
 

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The Greek word which is translated as 'suffer loss' is zemiothesetai. It comes from the Greek word zemioo. Forms of this same Greek word, zemioo – which is translated as 'suffer loss' in 1 Cor. 3:15 – are found in other passages in the Bible. The word is used to mean punishment. In Exodus 21:22, Proverbs 17:26, Proverbs 19:19 and elsewhere, this very Greek word zemioo is used to mean punishment. That means that zemiothesetai, the word translated as suffer loss in 1 Cor. 3:15, can mean punishment.


So, the man who suffers loss and is saved by fire can mean a man who is punished and is saved by fire. Doesn’t that sound just like Purgatory? Yes, it sounds exactly like Purgatory because that’s what it’s referring t
The works that fail the test are burned yet the believer enters the judgement saved and remains saved
Paul teaches how a believer under his Gospel is saved which you will see is NOT works/performance related.
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
then the works/performance conditions :-
Titus 3:5-7
Eph 2:8-9
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
 

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The works that fail the test are burned yet the believer enters the judgement saved and remains saved
Paul teaches how a believer under his Gospel is saved which you will see is NOT works/performance related.
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
then the works/performance conditions :-
Titus 3:5-7
Eph 2:8-9
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
Repeating your post without new argument does not make you sound right.
And your post is not an counter arguement on my #206 post.
This suggests you have no idea on how to rebuke my argument #206.

So, Paul was not talking about 'suffer loss' and still saved.
Catholics explanation: we have to be purified, by fire...and saved...is more sensible.

Do you think people can simply walk out from a burning apartment, just suffer loss and safed?
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Repeating your post without new argument does not make you sound right.
And your post is not an counter arguement on my #206 post.
This suggests you have no idea on how to rebuke my argument #206.

What parts of the content does your Catholic bias disagree with ?
 

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What parts of the content does your Catholic bias disagree with ?
Which part of your passage you think Catholics cannot rebuke?
 

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Hebrews is not the teachings of Paul for today

Hopefully this helps you :-

wow.....would it mean that the teaching today of your congregation is not that of Paul and not that of the scripture too?
 

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it is reasonable to believe that he did repent.
Hardly, or he (Judas) would have remained alive and joined the growing number of disciples and followers of Jesus in spreading the Good News of salvation by grace THROUGH faith in the risen Lord Jesus Christ.