Once saved always saved

[Dryhn]

To understand Christ, one must first understand these signs point to supernatural fulfillment by the power of the Holy Spirit through the name of Christ. Signs are gifts through the Holy Spirit that Christ gave to the church "bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with diverse miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to His own will." These supernatural signs are gifts of the Holy Spirit according to the will of God.

Mr 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mr 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mr 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mr 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mr 16:19 ¶ So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Mr 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Heb 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
Heb 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Are you able to "take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, cast out devils, speak in new tongues "
If not then according to those verses you are not saved

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Cant or wont?

You tell me

1 John 3:
5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

A saved child of God has the free will to do either but John doesnt mean that. John means wont practice sin vs cant practice sin, your answer seems to be saying that once your a child of God you Cant practice as if you just physically unable to sin when its a choice you make.

All I did was take what John said, and quote it.

Im not saying a child of God never sins ever..... just that its a choice and that if your going to consider yourself a child of God you will make that choice not to sin..... maybe I took your post wrong but it seems that your saying a child Cant because something keeps you from sinning outside your choice...

Ofcourse the Holy Spirit helps you to not sin but its your decision

You can fall away into your old lifestyle for however long and practice sin

Paul says in romans that if you willfuly sin theres no more sacrifice for your sins.... meaning there was a sacrifice for your sins but you fell back into your old life and sinned over and again.... paul finnishes that chapter by saying - but we are not those who fall back to destruction.....
(Paul is including himself when he says "we" meaning we as believers)(unbelievers never rise out of destruction - only believers can fall back into it)

Doesnt mean you cant repent and again live the life of a child of God... the so called prodicals son he is with the Father but, while hes out in the world willfully sinning he is dead (lost) to the Father (spiritually) and theres no sacrifice for his sin at that point Until he repents and lives again.... if he does not repent he stays dead and lost in destruction.... its a choice

Your posing the question

Must I keep myself saved, or does God keep me

My God keeps me.

Good luck trying to keep yourself.

I can not live in sin because I am not my old self. the old man was crucified. I have been made into a new creature through imperishable seed.

The dog returns to his vomit because he is a dog.

A true child of God is no longer a dog. he will not fall back to his vomit because he is a new creature. Vomit (sin) no longer tastes good, it no longer satisfies us, It no longer is something we eat out of our old nature..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Paul says in romans that if you willfuly sin theres no more sacrifice for your sins.
Thats Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Scripture does not teach that Paul wrote Hebrews.

the willful sin in this passage is to willfully reject christ.

Person sin is not in mention here

Anyone who thinks when they sin it is not willful is fooling themselves.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus and paul taught the same message

the gospel has never changed in the history of the world.

it has always been by grace through faith.

the only thing that changed is we know how God saved us.. (Jesus)

 

[Chaplain James]

John 10:28
"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." KJV

 

[Taken]

Had Judas lost his salvation?
or is he now sitting at the right side of Jesus??

Your 'God's Eternal Assurance' does not make sense!

To put a Spiritual event into a Secular example, for your Mind to get the jist…

If I buy a gift for every person…
The Gift Exists.

If I Offer (with Terms) that Gift to every person…
The Offer Stands.

When I tell you the Terms…
You have been Informed, of How you can Receive the Offer.

Terms:
* You MUST “Heartfully” Believe in, the one Exists, MAKING the Offer.
* You MUST “Confess” (Testify), you “Heartfully” Believe, To the one who makes the Offering.
* You MUST, MAKE the One making the OFFER, the beneficiary OF your Body, when it Mortally Dies…
(ie. Give permission the One Making the OFFERING, that THEY CAN CLAIM YOUR Dead BODY.

IF YOU AGREE TO the TERMS…AND the EFFECTS…

EFFECTS…
* Your Body, soul, spirit Shall BE Forgiven, for Having HAD Not Believed.
* Your SOUL Shall be Restored…
from naturally NOT Good, TO Spiritually GOOD, as it WAS when God imparted it into your body.

* Your Natural Spirit (ie. Your natural truth in your Heart)… will be Changed.

CHANGE…
*Circumcision of your Natural Truth cut off regarding Spiritual Things.
* Given a NEW Heart, New Spiritual TRUTH.
* IN Your NEW HEART, the Seed of God shall be entered…and Birth you a New Spiritual Spirit.
* In your new spirit, in your new heart… The Holy Spirit of God will enter and Dwell “With-IN you.
* THAT Holy Spirit IS ONE of the Seven Spirits of God…Called the “Spirit of Truth.”
* That Spirit of Truth will Continually FEED you Truths From God.

Agreeable…?
Comply……..?
EFFECT…You are ONCE and Forever…
Given a restored (saved) soul.
Given a new Heart.
Given Gods Seed, Quickened (Have a born again spirit.
Gods Spirt dwell IN your new Heart.
Promised, When your body is Raised Up (at an unknown future time)…
Your Body SHALL BE Raised up Glorified, Sinless, and Forever WITH God, face to face you SHALL See Him as He IS.

EFFECT…You have the FREEWILL to hear, listen, obey, That Spirit of Truth. (Or not).

OR NOT…you will suffer loss of Rewards… He gives for obedience.

EFFECT…You agree and Reach Out Take His Offering…Accept His Terms…
His Offering OF Salvation is then Given You.

Your salvation IS given ONCE, Secured Forever., BY THE POWER of God

You WANT Gods Offering?
Reach out AND TAKE IT!

You WANT to REJECT, LOSE Gods Offering?
Don't REACH OUT AND TAKE It!


You haphazard, slack in obedience, slothful, testy, intentional trespasser to others, cheater, thief, immoral, etc.
You SHALL, lose “treasures, rewards,” you would have otherwise been given….(From God)…had you been upstanding among men,
(Ie. Not a trespasser).

1 Cor 3:
[13] Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
[14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
[15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss:
but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[rwb]

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Are you able to "take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, cast out devils, speak in new tongues "
If not then according to those verses you are not saved

Yes, spiritually believers do! How? Through the power of the Holy Spirit working in us. Believers have power over every enemy when we speak with new tongues, the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ, when we speak the Word to nations in their own language/tongue.

Lu 10:17 ¶ And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Lu 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Lu 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luke 10:20 (KJV) Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

If you do not know the power of God in you, I won't say you are not saved, but perhaps you are still a babe in Christ who has not matured and therefore you are not able to discern things of the Spirit.

 

[beechan]

…

If I buy a gift for every person…
The Gift Exists.

If I Offer (with Terms) that Gift to every person…
The Offer Stands.

When I tell you the Terms…
You have been Informed, of How you can Receive the Offer.

Terms:
* You MUST “Heartfully” Believe in, the one Exists, MAKING the Offer.
* You MUST “Confess” (Testify), you “Heartfully” Believe, To the one who makes the Offering.
* You MUST, MAKE the One making the OFFER, the beneficiary OF your Body, when it Mortally Dies…
(ie. Give permission the One Making the OFFERING, that THEY CAN CLAIM YOUR Dead BODY.

when the offer requires ‘terms’ and with so many ‘You MUST……’, then it would suggest the offer and gift would not last unless such terms are met.