One Fold.....One Shepherd ?

[bbyrd009]

Everyone is a gentile except for the Jews.

see how there is no diff in expecting a Muslim to adhere to your laws concerning salvation and expecting a Christian to adhere to Jewish law. So iow reflect upon the prevalence of Christians who insist that the law is abolished, simultaneously demanding that Muslims adhere to Christian "laws" concerning joining their "club," and disallowing those who exhibit the fruit of salvation

 

[GodsGrace]

see how there is no diff in expecting a Muslim to adhere to your laws concerning salvation and expecting a Christian to adhere to Jewish law. So iow reflect upon the prevalence of Christians who insist that the law is abolished, simultaneously demanding that Muslims adhere to Christian "laws" concerning joining their "club," and disallowing those who exhibit the fruit of salvation

Good !
Never thought of it this way.
So, yeah, are the laws abolished or not...

 

[bbyrd009]

No. Not being coy.
I don't think I ever posted before about how I thought I had conquered the question of evil ---
I was confirming that we learn new things all the time.
But, hopefully, when we learn it, it will be the correct teaching.

at least for right then, that present time, yes. It might be seen that nothing more can be learned about that particular concept until that person is able to accept that that "correct teaching" was not the end of that matter. When that is seen to not be this, even though this encompasses that

 

[GodsGrace]

at least for right then, that present time, yes. It might be seen that nothing more can be learned about that particular concept until that person is able to accept that that "correct teaching" was not the end of that matter. When that is seen to not be this, even though this encompasses that

I think you're right.
We should learn all things correctly,
But must expound on all until we are able to.
I do think that we all reach a point in time when no further understanding can be attained.

Dinner time!

 

[bbyrd009]

Good !
Never thought of it this way.
So, yeah, are the laws abolished or not...

when you abolish them, they are abolished, forgive and you will be forgiven, which transcends the law

 

[bbyrd009]

I do think that we all reach a point in time when no further understanding can be attained.

at least until later, ya. Bon apetit

 

[ScottA]

who, where, how, why - who are the other sheep etc = God created all humankind as His sheep to hear and respond to His voice but something went terribly wrong so Jesus came to bring them together again - how He will do this is not fully understood or realised - so guess how ? they will hear again, recognise and respond to the Shepherd's voice and return to the fold - imho - twinc

You have half the answer in your above post: "humankind."

The other fold is not human-kind, but God-kind, those who are born [again] of the spirit of God.

 

[twinc]

You have half the answer in your above post: "humankind."

The other fold is not human-kind, but God-kind, those who are born [again] of the spirit of God.

not at all born again but again and again and again, forty times forty but Jesus said just once as a Christian - twinc

 

[Richard_oti]

The above happened to me regarding my one unanswered question.
When I became Christian many years ago, I thought I had figured out the problem of evil. I was so content! Everything fit into place.
About 10 years later, I realized a mistake I was making and thus, I really did NOT understand it.

Here we are, many many years later and I've discovered that there is no answer. So we do what you said, just accept and be happy to know the Light of the World.

Likewise, I also have been and may still be guilty of such.

 

[Richard_oti]

ezackly, ya. I realized that my "answers" were preventing me from learning better truths on those matters, and that i was hanging on to "answers" meant to serve my perspective at the time, like we do for little kids

Indubitably! Not that I was ever there myself <raises eyebrows and grins>

 

[ScottA]

not at all born again but again and again and again, forty times forty but Jesus said just once as a Christian - twinc

What?

 

[bbyrd009]

but Jesus said just once as a Christian - twinc

seems to me that calling Peter "satan" would make this "once for all time" thingy that people think they are reading a lot clearer?

 

[amadeus]

ah, maybe it is in defining "gentiles" that we run into issues, then

Ah yes, for me I have found that the gentiles are heathen, even if they may be by carnal blood, Hebrews [Jews?]. The apostle Paul approached it from the other direction when he said:

"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:" Rom 9:6

So when we are reading scripture we may find phrases speaking of carnal gentiles with is an underlying message with regard to spiritual gentiles [heathen including Jewish ones]. Anyone who is a heathen spiritually [unbeliever] is a heathen even if he can trace his natural parents by blood back to one the original 12 sons of Jacob.

But then you find in scripture those who are definite gentile by natural blood, who seem to be of Israel spiritually... if you get my meaning. For example, Ruth was a Moabitess and what was the Centurion whose servant was healed by Jesus? The whole thing may be understood better if we can understand the difficulties which caused Ezra to pull out his beard. What was the matter with those mixed marriages? It is simple, but may also be complicated.

Perhaps understanding the difference between Jacob and Israel would also help us to understand. Consider how many times in scripture Jacob is still named as Jacob after his name was changed to Israel. I did a short study on this a while back:

The name Israel was given in Gen 32:28. From that verse to Gen 50:26, the word Israel was used 40 times. In the same set of scriptures the name Jacob was used 70 times. Why would this be the case unless Jacob was for the most part still more of a "supplanter or deceiver" than he was "one who would rule as God". God gave him the name but for a very long time he failed to live the role which the new name described for him.

These things make me stop and think every time I come across the words, heathen, gentile, Israel, Jacob and so forth when reading the scripture.

 

[amadeus]

seems to me that calling Peter "satan" would make this "once for all time" thingy that people think they are reading a lot clearer?

Perhaps if they recognized that Peter was still "satan" at least part of the time with regard to gentiles until God clarified things for him in Acts chapter 10, they would understand all of it better as well.

 

[twinc]

What?

Scott truly what a lot of rot - Christians do not have to be born again as Christians - non Christians have to be born again as Christians - twinc

 

[ScottA]

Scott truly what a lot of rot - Christians do not have to be born again as Christians - non Christians have to be born again as Christians - twinc

You lost me.. One can only be born [again] of the spirit of God once: first the flesh, then the spirit. But I'm still not sure that is what you are saying.

 

[twinc]

You lost me.. One can only be born [again] of the spirit of God once: first the flesh, then the spirit. But I'm still not sure that is what you are saying.

as I have already stated elsewhere and more than once the great error/s and mistake/s and the cause of confusion and division is because we apply to ourselves what does not apply to us - born again was applied to Nicodemus a non Christian and to other non Christians - twinc

 

[bbyrd009]

Perhaps if they recognized that Peter was still "satan" at least part of the time with regard to gentiles until God clarified things for him in Acts chapter 10, they would understand all of it better as well.

pleased to meet you; hope you guessed my name

but most ppl never even meet their monster i guess

 

[ScottA]

as I have already stated elsewhere and more than once the great error/s and mistake/s and the cause of confusion and division is because we apply to ourselves what does not apply to us - born again was applied to Nicodemus a non Christian and to other non Christians - twinc

Being born again of the spirit of God is more wide spread than just Nicodemus. In fact, all who would enter the kingdom of heaven must be born of the spirit, for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

Not only Jesus explained, but also Paul, who went on to say that the old man of flesh must die and the new man of the spirit is a new creation.

 

[twinc]

Being born again of the spirit of God is more wide spread than just Nicodemus. In fact, all who would enter the kingdom of heaven must be born of the spirit, for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

Not only Jesus explained, but also Paul, who went on to say that the old man of flesh must die and the new man of the spirit is a new creation.

I repeat you say but Jesus did not or could not have possibly have said "Christians must be born again as Christians" or any other such rubbish - twinc