Only Those Who Do the Will of God Will Enter the Kingdom

[GracePeace]

You certainly have God's grace.
Now you just need His peace!
Only your understanding of God's love for you can give you that peace.

How about John 3:16?
FOR GOD SO LOVE THE WORLD
THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON

God loves the world so much,
that He gave His only begotten Son....
Just like Abraham was willing to give Isaac.

So if God loves you...
why would He also want you to fear Him?

I think that perhaps you just have a deep respect for God...
and this is good.

You could also find peace by just accepting your method of serving Him and to stop trying
to understand His love for you.
Maybe that will come in time.

In the meantime...I find myself agreeing with you in that God does demand our obedience.
Those that don't believe our behavior AFTER salvation does not matter are very wrong.

Yeah, even so, there is a right and a wrong way to serve--"obedience" is assumed of both a slave and a son (Ro 8), but a slave is rejected, only a son is accepted.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yeah, even so, there is a right and a wrong way to serve--"obedience" is assumed of both a slave and a son (Ro 8), but a slave is rejected, only a son is accepted.

Agreed.
But I think you're a son.

Know why?

Only sons worry about this as much as you do.

It's like those persons that wonder if they're really saved.
Those that are NOT saved do not worry about it...
Only the saved worry about their salvation.

I'm sorry you feel worried about this GP....
but you're good!

God knows your heart and that you're doing your best.

 

[GracePeace]

Agreed.
But I think you're a son.

Know why?

Only sons worry about this as much as you do.

It's like those persons that wonder if they're really saved.
Those that are NOT saved do not worry about it...
Only the saved worry about their salvation.

I'm sorry you feel worried about this GP....
but you're good!

God knows your heart and that you're doing your best.

It's one thing to be a son, it's another thing to behave like one--"If I am a Father, where is My honor?"

 

[GodsGrace]

Not everyone has saved from God is the good workers.
Jesus told the parable of the sower.
The read and learning = 30
The faith = 60
The faith and work = 100

God is our teacher. I don't think a good teacher will treat his students differently, just like in Chinese education. Teachers are attracted to good students. I don't think our God is such a teacher.

Then it depends on what you willing to do,
If you willing keep on the level of faith,that is your willing,
If you keep on the level of faith and work,that is still your willing.


1 Corinthians 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

But the difference is whether you're closer to God.

I see that @LoveYeshua gave you a like and we usually agree, so I hope he sees this.

I'm not sure what you meant by saying that not everyone who is saved is a good worker.
You would have to explain this better.

We need BOTH faith AND good works in order to be saved.

WHY is it depending on what we are willing to do ?

Are you saying that we can be saved by FAITH ALONE?

If so,,,you're going to have to show WHERE in New Testament teachings we are told that ONLY faith is necessary for salvation.

And 1 Corinthians 3:15 won't work because it's not speaking about our works....
but about how the MINISTERS of God proceed from the work started by Paul and Apollos.
Anyway,,, 1 Cor 3:15 does NOT teach faith alone.

We have believers here in the U.S. that think that they don't have to do any work to please God but that ONLY their faith is necessary for salvation.

Is this what you believe?

 

[LoveYeshua]

I see that @LoveYeshua gave you a like and we usually agree, so I hope he sees this.

I'm not sure what you meant by saying that not everyone who is saved is a good worker.
You would have to explain this better.

We need BOTH faith AND good works in order to be saved.

WHY is it depending on what we are willing to do ?

Are you saying that we can be saved by FAITH ALONE?

If so,,,you're going to have to show WHERE in New Testament teachings we are told that ONLY faith is necessary for salvation.

And 1 Corinthians 3:15 won't work because it's not speaking about our works....
but about how the MINISTERS of God proceed from the work started by Paul and Apollos.
Anyway,,, 1 Cor 3:15 does NOT teach faith alone.

We have believers here in the U.S. that think that they don't have to do any work to please God but that ONLY their faith is necessary for salvation.

Is this what you believe?

Saw it, i think she wrote:The faith and work = 100 meaning essential like we know it is. I just do not understand the link with 1 cor 3:15 like you see also, but essentially the post was good.

Blessings

 

[GodsGrace]

It's one thing to be a son, it's another thing to behave like one--"If I am a Father, where is My honor?"

Yes.
Of course!

 

[LoveYeshua]

It's one thing to be a son, it's another thing to behave like one--"If I am a Father, where is My honor?"

Takes practice and guidance from GOD's Holy Spirit that he has sent you, TRUST FULLY in Him and all will be well it is a gradual process.

 

[GodsGrace]

Saw it, i think she wrote:The faith and work = 100 meaning essential like we know it is. I just do not understand the link with 1 cor 3:15 like you see also, but essentially the post was good.

Blessings

1 Cor 3:15 is not properly understood.
I started a thread on it some years ago but it had no interest.
I'm happy to hear that SOMEONE agrees with me!

 

[GracePeace]

I see that @LoveYeshua gave you a like and we usually agree, so I hope he sees this.

I'm not sure what you meant by saying that not everyone who is saved is a good worker.
You would have to explain this better.

We need BOTH faith AND good works in order to be saved.

WHY is it depending on what we are willing to do ?

Are you saying that we can be saved by FAITH ALONE?

If so,,,you're going to have to show WHERE in New Testament teachings we are told that ONLY faith is necessary for salvation.

And 1 Corinthians 3:15 won't work because it's not speaking about our works....
but about how the MINISTERS of God proceed from the work started by Paul and Apollos.
Anyway,,, 1 Cor 3:15 does NOT teach faith alone.

We have believers here in the U.S. that think that they don't have to do any work to please God but that ONLY their faith is necessary for salvation.

Is this what you believe?

I
said a slave (ie, a Jew) and a son (a christian ) work but only onecis accepted and this shows work isn't enough

 

[GodsGrace]

I
said a slave (ie, a Jew) and a son (a christian ) work but only onecis accepted and this shows work isn't enough

OK, but my reply was to another member.

However, I do agree that work is not enough.
FAITH is also needed.
BOTH are needed.

Faith without works is dead.
Works without faith are dead.

Both faith and works are required for a believer.

 

[GracePeace]

OK, but my reply was to another member.

However, I do agree that work is not enough.
FAITH is also needed.
BOTH are needed.

Faith without works is dead.
Works without faith are dead.

Both faith and works are required for a believer.

Yeah, and, again, the entire question of the convo you joined has been as to the substance of the message that is to be believed, bc if it doesn't make sense, there can't be faith in it.

 

[GracePeace]

i think she wrote:

I am a he

 

[soberxp]

I see that @LoveYeshua gave you a like and we usually agree, so I hope he sees this.

I'm not sure what you meant by saying that not everyone who is saved is a good worker.
You would have to explain this better.

We need BOTH faith AND good works in order to be saved.

WHY is it depending on what we are willing to do ?

Are you saying that we can be saved by FAITH ALONE?

If so,,,you're going to have to show WHERE in New Testament teachings we are told that ONLY faith is necessary for salvation.

And 1 Corinthians 3:15 won't work because it's not speaking about our works....
but about how the MINISTERS of God proceed from the work started by Paul and Apollos.
Anyway,,, 1 Cor 3:15 does NOT teach faith alone.

We have believers here in the U.S. that think that they don't have to do any work to please God but that ONLY their faith is necessary for salvation.

Is this what you believe?

Not everyone has saved from God is the good workers.

1 Corinthians 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Maybe I got it wrong.

 

[soberxp]

I see that @LoveYeshua gave you a like and we usually agree, so I hope he sees this.

I'm not sure what you meant by saying that not everyone who is saved is a good worker.
You would have to explain this better.

We need BOTH faith AND good works in order to be saved.

WHY is it depending on what we are willing to do ?

Are you saying that we can be saved by FAITH ALONE?


Is this what you believe?

Strictly speaking, faith in the Bible itself contains the meaning of work.

But in the New Testament, the preachers separate them to explain by the mercy of God.and God's command.

So we can't say someone who believe in saved by faith alone never do any good work.

Also we can't say someone who believe in faith and work never do any bad work.

We seek a balance between God's mercy and God's command.

 

[Brakelite]

I'm not really acquainted with the "imputed" concept; I feel safer affirming Jesus' Name is "God Is Our Righteousness" (Jer 23:6), and this is because we are in Him and He is in us, and God is in Him, thus God is in us, and God is our righteousness as we abide in Him.

Here's a summary from my notes regarding imputed righteousness...

• Christ has achieved salvation for all humanity objectively by His life, death (specifically the second death), and resurrection—not based on human action, but as a birthright accepted by faith.
• Our salvation does not depend on initiating a relationship with God, but rather on responding to a relationship God has already set in place through Christ's atoning work.
• “Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus” means that justification/righteousness is a gift, imputed to humanity because of what Christ has done, and not something earned.
• The cross and Christ's ongoing priestly ministry are the sources of forgiveness and acceptance; this righteousness is imputed on the basis of God’s initiative and maintained by continual faith rather than human striving or effort.
• The concept that salvation is “your birthright,” but it can be “thrown away” if rejected (i.e., one must resist grace to be lost), emphasizes the sufficiency and gift nature of Christ’s righteousness.
• The struggle or initiative is never credited to humans but rather to God working in Christ. If salvation is lost, it is due to the individual's choice to reject what God has already provided.
• In summary, imputed righteousness in these notes is God’s act of counting the believer righteous because of Jesus—salvation is given, not achieved, and is accepted or rejected through faith.

In other words, it's the gospel.

 

[Brakelite]

Yeah, even so, there is a right and a wrong way to serve--"obedience" is assumed of both a slave and a son (Ro 8), but a slave is rejected, only a son is accepted.

Hi again. Many don't realise that if you call Jesus Lord, you are confessing your role as a servant. And servants absolutely obey their Master. Or should. To all His commandments. Not just that ones we feel are convenient... Or lawful.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yeah, and, again, the entire question of the convo you joined has been as to the substance of the message that is to be believed, bc if it doesn't make sense, there can't be faith in it.

I agree with the OP...
What is it about @LoveYeshua 's OP that is the message that doesn't make sense??

Here is his last paragraph.
I don't know what could explain Christianity better:


Therefore the will of God, as revealed in both the Old Testament and the words of Jesus, is clear and unchanging. It is to love Him with all our being, to keep His commandments, to fear Him, to walk in His ways, to do justice, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with Him. It is to believe in His Son, to hear His words and put them into practice, to turn from sin, to love our neighbour as ourselves, and even to love our enemies. Those who do His will are His true children, His true family, and they will receive eternal life, for Jesus Himself said, “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:40).

 

[GodsGrace]

Not everyone has saved from God is the good workers.

1 Corinthians 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Maybe I got it wrong.

There are not good workers and bad workers in the Kingdom of God here on earth.
We each do whatever good work we can do....
we cannot do more than that.
Some do more and some do less....
but we cannot mock God...He cannot be tricked.
He knows what we are doing....what we are able to do and what we find difficult.

As to 1 Corinthians 3:15 --- many get this verse wrong....
If you start reading at 1 Cor 3: 1 you'll find that Paul is speaking about himself and Apollos...both were in ministry and teaching about the Lord. It's about the ministry of building Jesus' church...not our personal good works that we do.

Paul did not want people saying that they were in the "group" of Paul or they were in the group of Apollo.
Paul was teaching them that we are all one in the Lord. They were working together...

One planted, one watered....
but it is GOD that causes the growth....in this case, the growth of christianity. God is important..
not Paul and not Apollo.
Verses 1 to 7


Beginning at verse 8 we see that Paul is still speaking about those that plant and those that water....
this would be those in the ministry....
Each person in the ministry will receive his reward.
Verse 8

The people are the FIELD OF GOD...
Those that minister are GOD'S WORKERS....
Verse 9

Paul is building up the church....he's building up Christianity. This is the reason Paul travelled in order to start new churches in different parts of the area. Paul lays the foundation...and others will build upon this foundation.
Verse 10


Jesus Christ is the foundation upon which Paul is building.
Some will know how to build upon this foundation....
it will be like using gold, silver and precious stones.
Some will build using wood, hay and straw.
In other words - the work of some in the ministry of building the church of Jesus will do better work
and some will not do such good work.
Verses 11-12

This work will be inspected.
If the work is good the ministers will pass inspection...
if the work is inferior...it might have to be started again or made better...
but the those that worked in an inferior ministry will still get by - but just barely.
Verses 13-15

 

[GodsGrace]

Strictly speaking, faith in the Bible itself contains the meaning of work.

But in the New Testament, the preachers separate them to explain by the mercy of God.and God's command.

So we can't say someone who believe in saved by faith alone never do any good work.

Also we can't say someone who believe in faith and work never do any bad work.

We seek a balance between God's mercy and God's command.

I agree with you 100%
Are you new to these Forums?
You'll find many that state that good works are not necessary
and some even say that they're a sin because we're trying to help God and this is a sin.

So I agree with you.
Except that those that believe in FAITH ALONE do not believe in good works being necessary.
THIS in incorrect.

God requires both our faith
and
Our good works.

 

[GracePeace]

@Soyeong I almost forgot about you

Here's a summary from my notes regarding imputed righteousness...

• Christ has achieved salvation for all humanity objectively by His life, death (specifically the second death), and resurrection—not based on human action, but as a birthright accepted by faith.
• Our salvation does not depend on initiating a relationship with God, but rather on responding to a relationship God has already set in place through Christ's atoning work.
• “Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus” means that justification/righteousness is a gift, imputed to humanity because of what Christ has done, and not something earned.
• The cross and Christ's ongoing priestly ministry are the sources of forgiveness and acceptance; this righteousness is imputed on the basis of God’s initiative and maintained by continual faith rather than human striving or effort.
• The concept that salvation is “your birthright,” but it can be “thrown away” if rejected (i.e., one must resist grace to be lost), emphasizes the sufficiency and gift nature of Christ’s righteousness.
• The struggle or initiative is never credited to humans but rather to God working in Christ. If salvation is lost, it is due to the individual's choice to reject what God has already provided.
• In summary, imputed righteousness in these notes is God’s act of counting the believer righteous because of Jesus—salvation is given, not achieved, and is accepted or rejected through faith.

In other words, it's the gospel.

No, I should've said it differently : I know what people say about it, but there're lots of arguments about it (as with all things), and I haven't studied all of that.