OSAS being False Doctrine!

[JBO]

And how can you have faith in Jesus...without the Holy Spirit testifying with our spirit that we are his children.

How would you know Jesus even existed..

By reading the bible or being taught by someone who had read the Bible.


Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

 

[Ritajanice]

Faith is belief in God.

Faith comes from the testifying with our spirit that we are God’s Children.

Belief comes before faith...you can’t believe in Jesus..unless the Holy Spirit testifies that to our spirit, when we become Born Again.

That would be human faith...we truly believe in Jesus, without the rebirth.

 

[JBO]

Faith comes from the testifying with our spirit that we are God’s Children.

Belief comes before faith...you can’t believe in Jesus..unless the Holy Spirit testifies that to our spirit, when we become Born Again.

That would be human faith...we truly believe in Jesus, without the rebirth.

Pure Bovine Scat.

Faith and belief are the very same words in the Greek. There is no difference. Both are translations of the Greek word πίστις [pistis].

 

[Ritajanice]

By reading the bible or being taught by someone who had read the Bible.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And?

Did you not know about Jesus?

I was taught all about Jesus...and only knew that he existed..by my own human understanding.

I didn’t know Jesus..not until I was Born of God...then the Holy Spirit..gave me that revelation..when Spirit gives birth to spirit.


When God..decided by his mercy and grace....to bring me Alive by his Spirit/ Born Again/ Born of God...not by mans will, by God’s will.

 

[Ritajanice]

Pure Bovine Scat.

I didn’t know Jesus..not until I was Born of God...then the Holy Spirit..gave me that revelation..when Spirit gives birth to spirit.

So simple to understand...unfortunately something you struggle with.

 

[Taken]

That is not what God’s word says..and the Spirit of truth enters the mans Born Again Spirit..manmade theology..your theology.
...there is no where in scripture that says

I can not learn Gods Truth nor understand it for you.
And you are too snarky and stubborn for me to even bother to show you Gods Truth in Scripture.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Taken and your point is...what you quoted I said below?

Ritajanice said:
That is not what God’s word says..and the Spirit of truth enters the mans Born Again Spirit..manmade theology..your theology.
...there is no where in scripture that says

God didn’t word it like that...that was “ Your” wording.

Spirit gives birth to spirit....is God’s word.

 

[JBO]

I didn’t know Jesus..not until I was Born of God...then the Holy Spirit..gave me that revelation..when Spirit gives birth to spirit.

So simple to understand...unfortunately something you struggle with.

I don't struggle with it at all. You are, it seems, totally ignorant of all of it. You weren't given any revelation. You may think you were, but you weren't. There is nothing in the NT that says you were.

 

[Ritajanice]

I don't struggle with it at all. You are, it seems, totally ignorant of all of it. You weren't given any revelation. You may think you were, but you weren't. There is nothing in the NT that says you were.

Oh but there is...that’s if you can understand what God is saying here.
I even highlighted the part where he testifies with our spirit..for you?

All Born Again understand this scripture......counterfeiters don’t.

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◄ Romans 8 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Walking by the Spirit (Ezekiel 36:16–38; Galatians 5:16–26) 1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.a2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set youb free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin.c He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God. 9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alivee because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the deadf will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you. Heirs with Christ 12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him. Future Glory (2 Corinthians 5:1–10) 18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently. 26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. God Works in All Things (Ephesians 1:3–14) 28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. 31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.

 

[Ritajanice]

And The Spirit of Truth, enters the mans “born again spirit”.

Really....The Spirit of truth, enters the mans Born again spirit...

So, the mans Born again spirit...is already Born Again, then the Spirit of truth enters the mans Born Again spirit.

So, he was already Born Again..before the Spirit of truth entered .?

 

[Ritajanice]

I can not learn Gods Truth nor understand it for you.
And you are too snarky and stubborn for me to even bother to show you Gods Truth in Scripture.

Please, don’t be a hypocrite....and of course there were no snarky / comments in your posts LOL.

As for stubborn..I can only learn via the Holy Spirit.

 

[JBO]

As for stubborn..I can only learn via the Holy Spirit.

It's not working.

 

[JBO]

I was taught all about Jesus...and only knew that he existed..by my own human understanding.

You have no other understanding than your own human understanding.

 

[Ritajanice]

You have no other understanding than your own human understanding.

I am Born Again.....so rebuke your post..


The only word that “ penetrates “ my heart is God’s word...as his word speaks to his children.

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

Pure Bovine Scat.

Faith and belief are the very same words in the Greek. There is no difference. Both are translations of the Greek word πίστις [pistis].

God given faith, is not the same as human belief.

There is human faith..which is no faith at all, as it lacks life in the Spirit.

Then there is God given faith, which comes from God, when we become Born Again by his Spirit...then we have received life in our spirit....when Spirit gives birth to spirit.

As God says...Faith is a gift from him....

 

[Taken]

No, God does not form the body.

Disagree.

Gen 2:
7[a]
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground …

Jer 1:
5[a] Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee…

 

[Taken]

Really....The Spirit of truth, enters the mans Born again spirit...

So, the mans Born again spirit...is already Born Again, then the Spirit of truth enters the mans Born Again spirit.

So, he was already Born Again..before the Spirit of truth entered .?

What escapes you is the steps from two first meeting to establishing a relationship agreeable to the two and accomplishing that relationship with a covenant.

When a man and a woman are establishing a relationship and accomplishing that relationship with a covenant….
It is step by step, and not drastically different that between a man and God….

You attempt to make it ALL about Gods desire of choosing you, and you did nothing to establish or accomplish ANY steps toward the relationship. Which is false. Which you have been told, Given Scriptures of verification, and Deny.

 

[Ritajanice]

What escapes you is the steps from two first meeting to establishing a relationship agreeable to the two and accomplishing that relationship with a covenant.

When a man and a woman are establishing a relationship and accomplishing that relationship with a covenant….
It is step by step, and not drastically different that between a man and God….

You attempt to make it ALL about Gods desire of choosing you, and you did nothing to establish or accomplish ANY steps toward the relationship. Which is false. Which you have been told, Given Scriptures of verification, and Deny.

You have proved nothing with scripture.regarding Born Again...just your own understanding of what it means.

When it comes to being Born of God..you have no spiritual understanding of it.

Like you said Born Again was established in you...absolute nonsense.

Spiritual Birth is from God and I had nothing to do with it.

I’ve already given my testimony...and unfortunately...you twisted it out of proportion....because you could only understand it from your own understanding...and I know why.

I will leave you with this scripture...that all Born Again understand....Counterfeiters wouldn’t, as they aren’t in the Spirit.

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord

 

[Taken]

As for stubborn..I can only learn via the Holy Spirit.

Well there is such a thing as a FALSE Jesus, a FALSE Spirit, that mimics the True Holy Spirit of God and the True Jesus…
And that False Spirit does NOT require ‘you’ to do anything, for it to show up, dwell IN you and teach you as a what appears to be True, but is not.

Sort of sounds like that ‘spirit in you” has taught you, you had no part in that spirit coming to you….and if you didn’t, you should be reading Gods word and find out why there IS a spirit IN you, that you had no part of asking or agreeing for that spirit to be with/in you.

Gods Spirit is NOT the only spirit with power to dwell IN men.
Gods Spirit is NOT the only spirit with power that can teach you.

Your insistence of having no part, for a spirit to dwell in you…reveals a spirit dwells in you that is NOT what you think it is.

You imply it the Spirit of God….however the “god of this world” is also a “god” and when spoken…sounds the same, but are not.

You teeter in a dangerous place.

 

[Ritajanice]

Well there is such a thing as a FALSE Jesus, a FALSE Spirit, that mimics the True Holy Spirit of God and the True Jesus…
And that False Spirit does NOT require ‘you’ to do anything, for it to show up, dwell IN you and teach you as a what appears to be True, but is not.

Once again you have twisted all that I have shared regarding my rebirth and I certainly know why.

Sort of sounds like that ‘spirit in you” has taught you, you had no part in that spirit coming to you….and if you didn’t, you should be reading Gods word and find out why there IS a spirit IN you, that you had no part of asking or agreeing for that spirit to be with/in you.

Once again, all you can do is come up with false accusations..not going with you there again...as you 100% have no spiritual understanding..and I know why.

Gods Spirit is NOT the only spirit with power to dwell IN men.
Gods Spirit is NOT the only spirit with power that can teach you.

Your insistence of having no part, for a spirit to dwell in you…reveals a spirit dwells in you that is NOT what you think it is.

False accusations..I had nothing to do with the rebirth....that was a supernatural act of God.

You imply it the Spirit of God….however the “god of this world” is also a “god” and when spoken…sounds the same, but are not.

You teeter in a dangerous place.

Indeed ,which you need to chew on.....saying Born Again was established in you...I say ,..by who I wonder..

Your manmade theology..will never sit in my lap.....
I’m Born Again and I know it in my spirit, as that is where the Holy Spirit resides..and he testifies with our spirit that we are his children....all day every day...Praise God..