OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Sister-n-Christ]

you mock and attack yet you reported him?

pot before the kettle?

There you are.
You don't know what you're talking about. At least you posted your sarcasm.
Happy?

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Do your kids have free will?

or do you master over them and give them no freedom.

do they love you?

God gave adam and eve free will. he gave them a choice to serve and love him, or serve and love themselves.

They chose freely to rebell against God and serve their flesh.

God gave them freedom to chose. He did not freedom from the consequences of their free will choice.

Or that you do not know scripture

But that is not an argument.

do you have an argument, or are you just going to mock?

I am not denying Gods word my friend.

And you mocking and attacking in baseless speculation does not support your case if anything it hurts it

I have not mocked nor attacked. That's you. We won't talk again.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have not mocked not attacked. That's you. We won't talk again.

your definition of mocking and attacking and everyone else's is not the same

I am ok with this. it does not mean I will not point our where we disagree.. And the fact you will not even show where I am wrong.. well. run.. thats fine with me, I am used to it

 

[Rockerduck]

your definition of mocking and attacking and everyone else's is not the same

I am ok with this. it does not mean I will not point our where we disagree.. And the fact you will not even show where I am wrong.. well. run.. thats fine with me, I am used to it

There is no such thing as "free will". You have freedom of choice. God's will is the only will, (recite the Lord's prayer). The talk about "freewill" is that that people can choose to save themselves at their will, which is a lie. Sturgeon says:
Free-will doctrine-what does it? It magnifies man into God. It declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent on human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners.

 

[Behold]

There is no such thing as "free will".

Of course we have Free will........as God made man in His own Image, (likeness).........and that includes God having free will.....so, we do also.

Free-will doctrine-what does it? It magnifies man into God. It declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing.

Notice.

The 12 Apostles, who continued with Jesus........did so, based on their Free will., tho one of them "was A Devil".
They were not forced to do it......and they were doing this before they were Born Again Christian, with the Holy Spirit in them.

So, these were unsaved Jews, .. who had no Holy Spirit in Them.......willingly following their free will.......to follow Christ.

So, when an unbeliever turns to Jesus for Help......for Salvation.........that is the same exact thing, happening.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There is no such thing as "free will". You have freedom of choice.

Same difference. If I hav freedoms of choice I have the freedoms do do as I will

God's will is the only will, (recite the Lord's prayer). The talk about "freewill" is that that people can choose to save themselves at their will, which is a lie. Sturgeon says:
Free-will doctrine-what does it? It magnifies man into God. It declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent on human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners.

Your right I can not will Myself to heaven

But I can will to call out to Jesus to have him save me. Or the will to remain in unbelief

 

[Behold]

But I can will to call out to Jesus to have him save me. Or the will to remain in unbelief

Exactly.

As God requires OUR FAITH............

Lying Hyper-Calvinism denies this, and claims that you are too depraved to call out to God and you also have no faith or free will......so, God has to cause you to believe by causing you to have faith.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

There is no such thing as "free will". You have freedom of choice. God's will is the only will, (recite the Lord's prayer). The talk about "freewill" is that that people can choose to save themselves at their will, which is a lie. Sturgeon says:
Free-will doctrine-what does it? It magnifies man into God. It declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent on human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners.

Libertarian free will is our simple or basic choice. What to have for dinner,etc... Though all things are in God's control as part of his plan.

It is true there is no such thing as making our choice without God's influence of awareness.

 

[Rockerduck]

Of course we have Free will........as God made man in His own Image, (likeness).........and that includes God having free will.....so, we do also.



Notice.

The 12 Apostles, who continued with Jesus........did so, based on their Free will., tho one of them "was A Devil".
They were not forced to do it......and they were doing this before they were Born Again Christian, with the Holy Spirit in them.

So, these were unsaved Jews, .. who had no Holy Spirit in Them.......willingly following their free will.......to follow Christ.

So, when an unbeliever turns to Jesus for Help......for Salvation.........that is the same exact thing, happening.

Not according to these verses. The Lord has shown me my path in life before I did them. The Lord has told be the result before I did them. I know the Lord provides as He sees me and I trust in Him completely to guide my steps. Yours and my day has already been planned before we wake up.

Proverbs 16:9 - A man’s heart plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps.

Proverbs 20:24 - A man’s steps are of the Lord; How then can a man understand his own way

JOB 31:21 - For His eyes are on the ways of man, And He sees all his steps.

Jeremiah 10:23 - O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps.

 

[Behold]

Not according to these verses. The Lord has shown me my path in life before I did them.

The "Lord" is not causing you to be on this forum.
You are chosing it.....today.

Welcome to your own WILL.

The Lord has told be the result before I did them

And ive seen signs and wonders for years, and in the day time.......on occasion.

I had Free will the entire time..........and so do you.

Proverbs 16:9 - A man’s heart plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps.

But you dont have to follow the Lord's Direction.

For example....>"its the WILL of God that EVERYONE believe in Jesus, whom God sent".

So, the reason that people are going to hell right now.....is because they didn't want to follow God's Will.
They chose their own will, and now they are in Hell, wishing they hadn't .

Proverbs 20:24 - A man’s steps are of the Lord; How then can a man understand his own way

Humans are "mind blinded" by the Devil.....and in this state of mind......the carnal mind.....= they follow their own path, as their free will decides it.

JOB 31:21 - For His eyes are on the ways of man, And He sees all his steps.

Gods "Foreknowlede" knows everything that is going to happen next.....including what you are going to post by using your free will to do it.

Jeremiah 10:23 - O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps.

Do you realize that God holds the SINNER accountable for their sin?
Why?
Because they used their own heart, their own will.......to live in it.

Lying Hyper Calvinists, try to prove that humans are just sinning robots....no free will..
That's not reality.........its not truth.

 

[Rockerduck]

The "Lord" is not causing you to be on this forum.
You are chosing it.....today.

Welcome to your own WILL.




And ive seen signs and wonders for years, and in the day time.......on occasion.

I had Free will the entire time..........and so do you.



But you dont have to follow the Lord's Direction.

For example....>"its the WILL of God that EVERYONE believe in Jesus, whom God sent".

So, the reason that people are going to hell right now.....is because they didn't want to follow God's Will.
They chose their own will, and now they are in Hell, wishing they hadn't .



Humans are "mind blinded" by the Devil.....and in this state of mind......the carnal mind.....= they follow their own path, as their free will decides it.



Gods "Foreknowlede" knows everything that is going to happen next.....including what you are going to post by using your free will to do it.


Do you realize that God holds the SINNER accountable for their sin?
Why?
Because they used their own heart, their own will.......to live in it.

Lying Hyper Calvinists, try to prove that humans are just sinning robots....no free will..
That's not reality.........its not truth.

Ask God about everything you said. Its between you and God and His word.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not according to these verses. The Lord has shown me my path in life before I did them. The Lord has told be the result before I did them. I know the Lord provides as He sees me and I trust in Him completely to guide my steps. Yours and my day has already been planned before we wake up.

Proverbs 16:9 - A man’s heart plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps.

Proverbs 20:24 - A man’s steps are of the Lord; How then can a man understand his own way

JOB 31:21 - For His eyes are on the ways of man, And He sees all his steps.

Jeremiah 10:23 - O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps.

so Hitler is Gods will

All Evil is Gods will

the man who rapes a 3 year old is Gods will

come on man..

 

[Rockerduck]

so Hitler is Gods will

All Evil is Gods will

the man who rapes a 3 year old is Gods will

come on man..

You are listening to Satan

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are listening to Satan

No I am listening to you accuse God of being the author of Evil

How can God punish evil when he caused it.

 

[Rockerduck]

No I am listening to you accuse God of being the author of Evil

How can God punish evil when he caused it.

I quoted God's word.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

I quoted God's word.

Yes,you did.

You'll soon see that there are those here who excise parts of Scripture they don't agree with.

 

[Dash RipRock]

You'll soon see that there are those here who excise parts of Scripture they don't agree with.

Yep that what the false teachers do by teaching eternal security and it's really sad to see them deceiving so many

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Yep that what the false teachers do by teaching eternal security and it's really sad to see them deceiving so many

Yeahhhh,what was Jesus thinking! Bad Savior,bad,bad! * wags finger

Dash was much better company on the Beverley Hillbillies.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I quoted God's word.

Anyone can quote gods word. The Pharisee could quote the whole testament almost word for word

Does not mean it supported their view

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes,you did.

You'll soon see that there are those here who excise parts of Scripture they don't agree with.

Like you

The words I said to him go for all of us yourself included