Sister-n-Christ
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Steals God's sovereignty and dominion over all his creation.
Free will doctrine attempts to eviscerate the Gospel.
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Free will doctrine attempts to eviscerate the Gospel.
Taken
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Oh good grief…. WHO Forced you against your FREEWILL to write such post?
Who offered Hebrews a direction to Follow?
God
Who Was Forced to Follow Gods Direction?
No one.
Who exercised their FREEWILL, opened their mouths Declared by their OWN WORDs to Follow God?
Duh…the Hebrews!
Ex 19:
[8] And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.
Don’t you read and learn the ancient records?
Lol…well since you are being forced against your will to write ididic posts… maybe you should have a chat with “this secret enforcer making you look foolish”.
Sister-n-Christ
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This is a great article on this topic. If you have time maybe consider reading it.I find it quite on point.
The Bible Unequivocally Teaches Against Free-Will
(I'm talking about Libertarian Free-Will, which I believe is what most people are talking about when they use the phrase "free-will." I do think the Bible teaches the genuineness of human choice and voluntary actions in a basically compatibilistic framework, but that's not exactly what I want to address here.)
It seems to me there's been a number of posts recently on the subject, including some arguments against theism based on the concept of free-will, assuming that it is a Biblical concept, probably because I think most Christians nowadays would affirm it. Nonetheless, it's clearly just an assumed philosophical concept utterly foreign to the Old and New Testaments. There are numerous things taught by the whole of the Bible that clearly contradict the idea.
There are two primary things which flatly refute the idea that the Bible views humans as fully autonomous beings: (1) the absolute sovereignty of God, and (2) mankind's bondage to sin.
Firstly, the sovereignty of God:
The Bible teaches that God decrees whatsoever comes to pass; that he arranges all things according to his will; that nothing can stay his hand and he will accomplish everything he purposes to do (Isaiah 46:9-11, Dan. 4:35 Prov. 16:4, Psalm 33:10-11, Eph. 1:11, Rom. 8:28, etc.). Hear this: my argument is NOT that the future is fixed and there is no free-will because God foreknows all things and we can't falsify his foreknowledge (though I think that's obviously true as far as it goes). My argument is that he Bible teaches God foreknows everything because he previously determined all things by his decree, and that's why humans cannot be autonomous. And make no mistake, the text indicates that God's sovereignty is not limited to non-moral agents. He exercises sovereignty over human choices as well (Gen. 50:20, Prov. 21:1, Acts 2:23, 4:27-28). Human beings are not autonomous - they do not have libertarian free-will - because their choices, actions, thoughts, etc. are all predetermined by the decree of God.
Secondly, bondage to sin:
This mostly comes out in the New Testament, though obviously the same elements are present in the Old. In the New, however, we get the most absolutely clear statements that mankind isn't libertarianly free. (I will concede, however, that this would not be applicable to Adam pre-fall, but the first one covers him as well). Jesus said "everyone who sins is a slave of sin" (John 8:34). That one is pretty self-explanatory: slaves aren't free. Also in John, Jesus gives a clear example of a thing mankind cannot do: "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him" (John 6:44). Contextually, coming to Jesus is synonymous with believing in him. Furthermore, we get more in Paul's letters. Romans 8:7-8, "the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God." 1 Corinthians 2:14, "But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised." These are clear statements describing entire categories of things that mankind cannot do without supernatural intervention. In other words, humans are not freely able to do these things.
So there we go.
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Eternally Grateful
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Do what? Which is better
God gave man free will so he could love us
God created evil and condemns many to hell with no choice?
Eternally Grateful
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Wow man a lot of fluff here
Chose this day who you will follow
Yes we can only serve one or the other
Thank God he gives us the ability through the cross to chose to receive his love so we can serve him
Eternally Grateful
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The gospel is free will
Based on Gods love
It does not destroy his sovereignty it serves his sovereignty
Behold
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"Jesus came into the world............to save sinners"..
A.) all of them.
AA.) 'All have sinned.....there is none righteous no not ONE".
Will all sinners be saved?
No.
Only those who "believe".......as our Salvation is "Justification BY Faith"..... not by works or water baptism.
Dash RipRock
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Sister-n-Christ
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Dash RipRock
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It's too bad you don't see in the Bible where God said He created man in His Own Image.
God has free will and so does mankind since God created man in His Own Image.
Hope you get up to speed on day and accept what God says in His Word!
Sister-n-Christ
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How does free will serve?
That doesn't actually work. What you do there is price you are t really a student of scripture at all.
Denying God's words as you do so to pursue your own ideology isn't scripture. It's Sophism.
Dash RipRock
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That's what the devil claims as he attempts to gaslight people into embracing doctrines of demons instead of God's Word.
Thanks for the chuckle! :)
Sister-n-Christ
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Taken
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Pay attention to the Knowledge in Scripture…
God “CREATED”…done deal.
Nothing New Is “CREATED!!!”
The Word of God… God Named “JESUS” IS:
The “MAKER”!!!
The Word of God…Jesus…”IS
“ ALSO the “Title Holder of “The Christ”.
The “Christ”… “IS” the Spiritual POWER of God.
The “MAKER”….Jesus with Power / Christ…
“IS” He who “MAKES” Gods CREATIONS…
“Forgiven, changed, restored, etc.”
It is like…your mommy “makes” you a cake…But she doesn’t “create” the Ingredients!
And CAUTION and WARNINGS are given…
To be SURE “the making IS of, by, through Christ….and NOT having a “turd” in the punchbowl effected….meaning…a devils input in the “making”…to spoil the whole lump.
The “white lies”, the “little cheating”, the “little theft”…are the whole lump “spoilers”…and Not of, by, through… the MAKER…CHRIST JESUS.
Gen 1:
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
God “CREATED”…done deal.
Nothing New Is “CREATED!!!”
The Word of God… God Named “JESUS” IS:
The “MAKER”!!!
The Word of God…Jesus…”IS
“ ALSO the “Title Holder of “The Christ”.
The “Christ”… “IS” the Spiritual POWER of God.
The “MAKER”….Jesus with Power / Christ…
“IS” He who “MAKES” Gods CREATIONS…
“Forgiven, changed, restored, etc.”
It is like…your mommy “makes” you a cake…But she doesn’t “create” the Ingredients!
And CAUTION and WARNINGS are given…
To be SURE “the making IS of, by, through Christ….and NOT having a “turd” in the punchbowl effected….meaning…a devils input in the “making”…to spoil the whole lump.
The “white lies”, the “little cheating”, the “little theft”…are the whole lump “spoilers”…and Not of, by, through… the MAKER…CHRIST JESUS.
Gen 1:
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Sister-n-Christ
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John 1: 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
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18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
Everyone has so many feelings, and so little to say that is on topic. Pathetic.
Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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Do your kids have free will?
or do you master over them and give them no freedom.
do they love you?
God gave adam and eve free will. he gave them a choice to serve and love him, or serve and love themselves.
They chose freely to rebell against God and serve their flesh.
God gave them freedom to chose. He did not freedom from the consequences of their free will choice.
Or that you do not know scripture
But that is not an argument.
do you have an argument, or are you just going to mock?
I am not denying Gods word my friend.
And you mocking and attacking in baseless speculation does not support your case if anything it hurts it
Eternally Grateful
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