Outer Darkness: a possible destiny for the saved

[bdavidc]

No--and that too is a lie. I just said, it is all here for anyone who wants to go back and look.

If it's all there, then where is it? Show me the exact post and quote the evidence. You made the accusation. The burden is on you to prove it. Calling me a liar doesn't prove anything. Either provide the evidence or withdraw your accusation.

 

[ScottA]

If it's all there, then where is it? Show me the exact post and quote the evidence. You made the accusation. The burden is on you to prove it. Calling me a liar doesn't prove anything. Either provide the evidence or withdraw your accusation.

No. I am under no such burden--but you--you are burdened for lack of knowledge, and so lash out with all that you have. Therefore, it is written, "it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand."

 

[Titus]

Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

As I've shown, repentance is a gift from God. The Bible never says that it is a result of fallen man's will.

The Bible never says these gentiles or anyone else could not resist the gospel call when they believed.
TULIP I, irresistable grace.
Gods Holy Spirit is given to the chosen elect, therefore they cannot resist Gods will for them to believe.
Acts 7:51,
- ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Spirit as your fathers did, so do ye

 

[bdavidc]

Amen! A tree being dead to the core as such a tree was utterly incapable of producing good fruit then being uprooted is twice dead. The NASB says "doubly dead."

Notice in Matthew 15:13 that Jesus said every plant that my Heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted.

Jude is exhorting believers to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints (vs. 3) because certain ungodly men have crept in unnoticed. Jude further describes these ungodly men as ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. (vs. 19)

In contrast with those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and  preserved in Jesus Christ. (vs. 1)

Well said.

 

[Titus]

Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

The word ordained does not mean a limited number.
Calvinism's TULIP L, limited atonement.
Only a select number was predestined to be saved. The rest were presdested to hell. Man cannot do anything to change his fate, thus U, unconditional election. Eternal security is conditioned on nothing man does, good works or sinful works.

God ordains all to come to the knowledge of the truth not a select few,
God ordained His gospel would be the means of salvation, Romans 1:16.
2Thessalonians 2:14,
- whereunto He called you by our gospel to the obtaning of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ

God calls all to Jesus through the gospel.
God ordained the gentiles in Acts 13:48 to eternal life because they believed the gospel that Paul preached.

 

[Titus]

I don't believe OSAS, which is usually something believed by  will worshippers, who think that they are saved because of a decision they made.

I believe in POTS (Preservation/Perseverance of the Saints) - God preserves his people, so they persevere in the faith and bear good fruit.

I remember clearly something that happened nearly thirty years ago. I was in Bible College, listening to a teacher reading a passage of Scripture (he was a freewiller). He came to the part where it says, "He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ."; but, being a freewiller, he couldn't stomach it, so he gagged (literally - he paused and made sort of choking noises) over "...will complete it..." and changed it to "...wants to complete it...".

This was bad enough, but another freewill teacher did exactly the same thing within days, not having heard the first teacher do it, also accompanied by a pause and gagging sounds.

Philippians 1:6,
- being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ

Nowhere in the passage does it say that a believer cannot abandon the faith or that God will complete His work regardless of that believers response.

Context,
Philippians 1:3-5,
- I thank God upon every remembrance of you, always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy,
for your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now

Now you know why Paul is confident in them, that God will continue to perform His good work in them, until He returns.

The Philippians have participated in the work of the gospel from day one until the present.
Paul's confident they will continue in this work until the end.

It does not say God would complete His work in them if they abandoned their faith.
Calvinists assume their doctrine in passages when it's not there.

Now notice verse 12,
- wherefore my beloved as ye have always obeyed not in my presence only but now much more in my absence work our your own salvation with fear and trembling for it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure

Notice both sides:
God works in you.
You must work out your salvation.
Paul does teach they have freewill.
What if they dont continue in their spiritual work?

Matthew 23:37,
- O Jerusalem, Jerusalem thou that killest the prophets and stonest them which are we sent unto thee how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chicks under her wings but ye were not willing

The Jews resisted God by their free will.