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Featured PASTORS D*BATE: After Being Born Again, Do Christians Still Sin?

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by Ziggy, Nov 17, 2020.

  1. 2nd Timothy Group

    2nd Timothy Group Well-Known Member

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    The answer to the OP is found in the reason for why Jesus referred to these people (below) as "Lawbreakers." - How could these people perform such Holy Work, yet be considered Lawbreakers? Get this figured out, and a person will hold the Heart of the entire Bible within their hands.

    " On judgment day many will say to me, 'Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws.' Then I will announce to them, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you lawbreakers!" (Matthew 7 22-23 . . . C S B)
     
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    kcnalp Well-Known Member

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    1 Timothy 4:1 (NKJV)
    1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

    Amen Lord!
     
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    2nd Timothy Group Well-Known Member

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    They turned away from the True Faith because their consciences are dead. Meaning, they never Truly believed.

    1 Timothy 4:2 NLT - "These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead."

    Mark 4:16-17 NLT - "The seed on the rocky soil represents those who hear the message and immediately receive it with joy. 17 But since they don't have deep roots, they don't last long. They fall away as soon as they have problems or are persecuted for believing God's word."
     
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    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Hey ziggy,
    Which one do you think is closer to the truth?

    The one that knows God.
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    It’s strange hearing Jesus call out too the Lord even before He is born.
     
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    David was inspired by the Holy Spirit.
    How is it David had the Spirit if it hadn't been given yet?
    I believe God chose those "elect" who followed him in the OT to have his spirit.
    Like the Prophets and the Father's in days of old.
    In the NT God is pouring his spirit out on any and all who will hear, rather than just a select few who were called.
    Many are called but few are chosen.
    You are chosen when you answer the call.
    By grace, through faith, in the one he sent to give knowledge to who He is.

    HUGS
    Thank You
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
     
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    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
    1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
    1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

    Faith is a gift of God that when used accordingly just keeps on giving.. :D

    HUGS
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Yes for the edification of the body.Trees don’t eat their own fruit.
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    There is a perpetual gifting going about, what an opportunity that we are allowed to share in this exchange of co-labor.
     
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    Absolutely. How else could a human, who's Father is the Devil, lead an entire Nation? Impossible. This is why the Leaders, Judges, Holy Kings and Holy Prophets were all lifted of the Curse of the Sinful Nature, as well as possessed the Gift of the Holy Spirit. The only element of Faith missing was that they all had to wait for the Redemptive work of Christ to make them Whole and Complete.

    Romans 3:25-26 NLT - "For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus."

    Amazing. Truly amazing.
     
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    The only ones who are of the devil is the ones who don't Know God.
    And Jesus been walking on this planet with His people that KNOW Him since the beginning of time.
    Ask Noah. Ask Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ruth, Esther, Samuel, Moses, there's a whole lot of people in the OT written in that book of Life.
    You better believe it..
    If it wasn't so we wouldn't be reading any scripture at all. We still be reading hieroglyphics in Egypt.

    Hugs
     
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    2nd Timothy Group Well-Known Member

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    Woot woot!
     
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