[1 Corinthians 9:1 KJV] "Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?"..........Paul was made an apostle. Paul saw the risen Christ.............[Acts 1:22 KJV] "Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection."..........Judas's death necessitated a replacement to make twelve apostles. This verse details the requirements that had to be met to be an apostle with the other eleven disciples. Paul could be an apostle because he met the stipulation to have seen the risen Lord. Paul however, didn't meet the requirement to have been with Jesus from the beginning of John's baptism and therefore was not able to be ordained as a witness to the resurrection along with the apostles. This answers those that say the apostles picked the wrong replacement, which they say should have been Paul. It also precludes there being just one church; Paul could not be an apostle along with the twelve to oversee the same church body. Peter's apostleship was to the Jews, but Paul was not an apostle alongside Peter, Paul's apostleship was to the Gentiles........[Galatians 2:8 KJV] "(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)"
PAUL IS AN APOSTLE, BUT TO WHO?
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Not entirely, because GOD gave Peter a vision in regards Gentiles' salvation, as they're equally clean to minister and witness to.
And evidently his apostleship was also to the Gentiles beginning with the house of Cornelius in the book of Acts.
Only for the sake of the Jews' salvation, Peter apostleship remained in Jerusalem, but he did visit, minister and witness to the Gentile church.
And his ministry eventually ended up in Rome, where in the end he's crucified by the Roman soldiers themselves.
Paul was not nor able to work alongside Peter in apostleship, especially in Jerusalem or with the Jews, because he became the most wanted man by the Jews, even to have him caught and put to death.
Apparently he escaped death from the Jews in Jerusalem once and headed for Gentile nations, and remain generally as apostle to them.
Nevertheless in Acts, Paul also ministered and witnessed to the Jews scattered in their nations, who were alongside with the Gentiles to put him to death, and until the Romans soldiers did it in Rome.
Scripturally and Jesus Himself, never mentioned to them about such 'specifics' in apostleship, which merely fabricated by modern day heretics, whilst suited 'itching ear' believers.
Peter, Paul and the 11 likewise received the same commission from Christ, apostleship to the Jews and Gentiles of all nation.
Only a bit straightening up in the matters of the Gentile church and observation compared to the Jewish church, Paul received the revelation.
Nevertheless, James and Peter ministered and witnessed in return to authenticate the result, where Paul had to take it back to the Gentiles.
Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
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[Galatians 2:8 KJV] "(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)"...........The verse says Paul's apostleship was to the Gentiles and Peter's was to the Jews. The Gentiles were saved in Acts 10 from Peter's preaching. but the Gentiles were saved by a different gospel than what Paul preached...................Peter preached forgiveness by the name of Jesus, not his death and resurrection to save all.................[Acts 10:43 KJV] "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."
You missed my point. I was saying Paul couldnt be an apostle along with Peter in the same church body. Paul didnt meet the requirements to be an apostle with the twelve. He had to have a separate church to be their apostle, which is the body of Christ. He couldnt be an apostle to Peter's Jerusalem church
That's what took place due to time, place and circumstances, individually the places both had to be generally stationed, minister and witness for the Kingdom of GOD.
And moreover is merely an 'out of context' point of view and statement on your part cum 'addition', even to singularly hold on to what Paul just happened to confess one time.
But nevertheless 'in context ', and given the opportunity by Christ, they both did reach out, Peter to the Gentiles and Paul to the Jews.
Also they both received revelation individually to minister and witness to whichever group they were sent to, or remain with for a time.
That is because again 'in context' this comes in-line with the actual calling and commission the Master Jesus Himself chose and given them, whilst sending them. (2Timothy3:16&17)
Dough and Fred J. are not right and truth, coz we're men and possibly lie in ignorance or forgetfulness.
But rather, All Scripture=Holy Bible in context and sound doctrine intact, is 'right' and the 'truth' to reckon with.
Again, out of context opinion and statement repeatedly about 2 different Gospels, for it's absurd and undermining the scripture in context.
To make it 'short and simple', as per context, before Paul became born again apparently happened in the 'middle' of the book of Acts.
The chosen 12 disciples beforehand were already commissioned since Christ around, to likewise make disciple of all nation.
Therefore way before Paul, the Gentiles were already being ministered and witnessed and discipled by the Gospel the Apostles held.
By this many Gentiles already came to faith and the Apostles would have already established Gentile churches as well, again way before Paul.
And when Paul came into the picture in ministry, he gave Gentiles extended revelational 'insight' in addition to the initial Gospel they already know.
'Common sense' teaches us why Paul suddenly was sent into the picture to preach another gospel to the Gentiles confusing them?
Apparently this would be the mistake of Christ 'messing up' in the first place, is that even sensible to hear?
For the benefit of the doubt, Paul's Gospel to the Gentiles only made it until Rome, but the Gospel from the 12 Apostles beforehand to the Gentiles, even made it until the ends of the earth.
Historical facts are there even in social media, what happened to the 12 Apostles of Christ and nations they ended up as martyrs.
To conclude, it is 'common sense' even scripturally and spiritually, that there is 'one' Gospel in context, even in the New Testament.
Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
Even this point you've made on your own, i disagree and did not miss.
Paul did not meet your 'requirement', but in context to the scripture he definitely meet Christ's and gladly served.
The Gentiles in Acts 10 were saved by Peter's preaching. Peter didnt teach salvation to all by Christ's death and resurrection. This isnt my opinion; here is what the Gentiles believed............[Acts 10:43 KJV] "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."...........Peter said believe that Christ died for your sins and rose again for your justification, NO he preached forgiveness of sins was solely through his NAME
He didnt give extended revelation he gave revelations not made known to anyone before Paul............[Romans 16:25 KJV] "Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,"..........Paul is saying his gospel was kept secret before revealed to Paul
Behold
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Paul is an apostle who was sent to the Gentiles.
He is the "Gentile apostle", and the only one.
Did he preach to Jews? Of course., but his Apostleship and Ministry was specific.
1.) Sent to deliver the "Gospel of the Grace of God" and all the Doctrine for the NT Church.
2.) Gentile Apostle.
Paul warned against believing another gospel, which could well be Peter's gospel. How could this be confusing? They knew to believe Paul's gospel
Behold
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Paul (not Calvin) and not the (Mary Cult) revealed NT Church Doctrine.
Paul revealed "the body of Christ", (NT Church) as this was not revealed until Paul revealed it.
Paul revealed the Gospel that He stated 3x = is '""MY Gospel"""...and that is "Justification BY Faith"... which is the "Gospel of the GRACE of God".
Paul is the Apostle who directly and purposely and exactly connects : ""Abraham's Blessing"" with NT Salvation.
I hear this a good bit. There is nothing to support saying the twelve went out to all the nations. Even if they did it could only be to the Jews not "every creature". Peter and the disciples said they would only go to the Jews.............[Galatians 2:9 KJV] "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."
Ok so, lets examine what you say
Let's examine saying Paul was made an apostle along with Peter and the disciples. If that's the case, then Paul and the twelve all oversee the one and only church. If they are all apostles, then they all give doctrine to the church..........................[Acts 2:42 KJV] "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."................... Here arises a problem, here is conflicting doctrine; Paul communicates to the church that they aren't under the law................[Romans 6:14 KJV] "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."....................Peter was taught by Jesus in regard to the law..............
[Matthew 5:17 KJV] "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
[Matthew 5:19 KJV] "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.".............Jesus taught Peter that if he taught anyone not to keep the law he would be least in the kingdom..............Peter was to teach all Jesus commanded him.................[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
[Matthew 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."...............it must be concluded that Peter would teach that the church was under the law. Now here is the conflict, who has authority? Paul and Peter have differing doctrine, who should the church obey?
[Acts 9:15 KJV] "But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:".................Paul was sent to Jews as well as you say
Acts 9:
15. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings, and the children of Israel:
Just because scripture highlights more of Paul reaching out to the Gentiles, it doesn't mean there's no scripture to highlight Paul also reached out to the kings and Jews.
He did eventually minister and witnessed the Gospel to kings and likewise the children of Israel in Gentile nations.
As Lord Jesus Christ Himself prophesied to Ananias about His chosen vessel and purpose, truthfully it must come to pass Paul fulfilling it.
That's your 'spirit of error' assumption and as usual 'twisting' the scripture and it's doctrine to your destruction.
'according to my gospel,' - (Paul's given gospel to the Gentiles, kings and also the children if Israel)
'and the preaching of Jesus Christ.' - '(the Gospel where only the 12 were discipled, and were commissioned to make likewise disciple of all nations, Gentiles, kings and children of Israel)
Both 'together' are, 'according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began.'
They are the 'one Gospel' put together in the New Testament, both for the Jews and Gentiles, from Jerusalem to ends of the earth.
Whether Gospel ministry for the unsaved world of Jews and Gentiles or whether Gospel teaching for the saved Jew and Gentile believers in discipleship.
2 Peter 3:
15. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16. As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destrucion.
This is to you true born again readers;
17. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
False!
Mark 16:
15. And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature.
The 12 Apostles already started preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ into all the world and to 'every creature', way before Paul's conversion and furthermore his gospel.
Again according to your false testimony and reasoning, let me add for you, that 'suddenly Jesus realized He made a careless mistake'.
By now already for sometime His Gospel was preached into all the world by the Apostles, and Jesus quickly sent Paul to rectify His mistake.
Jesus gave now Paul a new gospel for the uncircumcised Gentiles, and to James, Peter and John another gospel to the circumcised Jews.
And the Jew and Gentile Christians lived happily ever after that from Jerusalem to Rome.
So based on this one incident of yours, Paul from then on ministered only unto the Gentiles, while James, Peter and John only unto the Jews.
Therefore what about the other 10 Apostles who are already into all the world and preaching Peter's Gospel to every creature??
You are 'shortsighted' and that's why you can't see 'afar', ignorant towards the end of the sentence Jesus said, 'but to fulfill' and 'till all be fulfilled'.
What else the gospel of Paul to the Gentiles differ from the gospel of Peter to the Jews?
