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    I never said military. Most countries don't even invade others. The only reason why they have a military is to settle domestic disputes, and for some self defense. The only countries capable of taking another country or even participating in a war are the big dogs. China, Russia, America, UK, some of Europe. But countries like Latvia, where I'm from, don't even have that much of an advanced military.
     
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    I never said military. Most countries don't even invade others. The only reason why they have a military is to settle domestic disputes, and for some self defense. The only countries capable of taking another country or even participating in a war are the big dogs. China, Russia, America, UK, some of Europe. But countries like Latvia, where I'm from, don't even have that much of an advanced military.
    Wakka,You are avoiding or missing my point. When you join the military, you are swearing an oath to your government. When you do they own you and you are being disloyal to your real Master which is breaking one of God's commandments. You are only 16, please read the Bible thoroughly for yourself instead of relying on your pastor's sermons and Bible classes. You cannot have two masterslove, hitomi
     
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    Joyful, People's age means nothing. It doesn't even grant some special wisdom. Even an old man and women may not be able to understand His Words, since God is the beginning of true wisdom. Even a child (kid) may have more wisdom than adult does. In conclusion...God gives wisdom. Not our age.And I don't care what the government says, cause I don't listen to them. I rather stand by side with Christ.Lovest ye in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    Joyful, People's age means nothing. It doesn't even grant some special wisdom. Even an old man and women may not be able to understand His Words, since God is the beginnig of true wisdom. Even a child (kid) may have more wisdom than adult does. In conclusion...God gives wisdom. Not our age.
    I understand. I just want young people to have a good habit of relying on the Bible instead of their churches and their bible classses. Please stop nit picking.
    And I don't care what the government says, cause I don't listen to them. I rather stand by side with Christ.
    You have been defending the military by saying they are self defense: That's what trinitarian churches are saying too. You guys are closing your eyes from the whole truth of having two masters. If you defend the military the way you are doing, even you are not in the military you are supporting them. You are suppoorting that is is ok to have two masters. You are watering down God's commandment.Most of churches and churchgoers are saying the same thing like you are that they are following the Bible and Jesus.love, hitomi
     
  5. Jordan

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    Joyful, People's age means nothing. It doesn't even grant some special wisdom. Even an old man and women may not be able to understand His Words, since God is the beginning of true wisdom. Even a child (kid) may have more wisdom than adult does. In conclusion...God gives wisdom. Not our age.
    I understand. I just want young people to have a good habit of relying on the Bible instead of their churches and their bible classses. Please stop nit picking.Do you not realize that I do not go to some physical church? And of course you do, so does CB, we both wants to lead souls into the right direction. Hey, if you think I'm nit picking scriptures, so be it.(Joyful)
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    And I don't care what the government says, cause I don't listen to them. I rather stand by side with Christ.
    You have been defending the military by saying they are self defense: That's what trinitarian churches are saying too. You guys are closing your eyes from the whole truth of having two masters. If you defend the military the way you are doing, even you are not in the military you are supporting them. You are suppoorting that is is ok to have two masters. You are watering down God's commandment.Most of churches and churchgoers are saying the same thing like you are that they are following the Bible and Jesus.love, hitomiGee, I wonder if you can read straight from what I clearly said. First off, I said I don't support military, so stop adding words of what you believe of me. Secondly, you don't know me very well, do you? And it is never OK to serve two masters. WHWH and Yahshua, knows their heart. Sure church people may say that they are following the Bible and Yahshua...but really...at the end, its reality. The Ultimate Decision. Again, if you think I hate God and watering down His commandments, so be it.I think Kriss and some others can understand me well.SincerelyLove JordanLovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    Do you not realize that I do not go to some physical church? And of course you do, so does CB, we both wants to lead souls into the right direction. Hey, if you think I'm nit picking scriptures, so be it.
    You are nit picking my comments. you don't have to attend to be like mainstreams. If you hold the same kind of beliefs and christianity, what's the difference?
    Gee, I wonder if you can read straight from what I clearly said. First off, I said I don't support military, so stop adding words of what you believe of me. Secondly, you don't know me very well, do you? And it is never OK to serve two masters. WHWH and Yahshua, knows their heart. Sure church people may say that they are following the Bible and Yahshua...but really...at the end, its reality. The Ultimate Decision. Again, if you think I hate God and watering down His commandments, so be it.I think Kriss and some others can understand me well.
    My points have been very clear: it is about churches and christians supporting the military and joining it. You have been giving me many kind of negative comments. Take a look at your comments in this thread. Please be honest. I may not know you but I know what you have been saying to me about the military. It has been very clear.The churches are supporting military because it is against majority and it is politically incorrect not to support military in this country, nothing else. And it is clear sin against God's commandment having two masters.love, hitomi
     
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    Do you not realize that I do not go to some physical church? And of course you do, so does CB, we both wants to lead souls into the right direction. Hey, if you think I'm nit picking scriptures, so be it.
    You are nit picking my comments. you don't have to attend to be like mainstreams. If you hold the same kind of beliefs and christianity, what's the difference?How am I nit picking your comment Hitomi? I'm certainly not following there. Christianity is a reality and continue to be so.(Joyful)
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    Gee, I wonder if you can read straight from what I clearly said. First off, I said I don't support military, so stop adding words of what you believe of me. Secondly, you don't know me very well, do you? And it is never OK to serve two masters. WHWH and Yahshua, knows their heart. Sure church people may say that they are following the Bible and Yahshua...but really...at the end, its reality. The Ultimate Decision. Again, if you think I hate God and watering down His commandments, so be it.I think Kriss and some others can understand me well.
    My points have been very clear: it is about churches and christians supporting the military and joining it. You have been giving me many kind of negative comments. Take a look at your comments in this thread. Please be honest. I may not know you but I know what you have been saying to me about the military. It has been very clear.The churches are supporting military because it is against majority and it is politically incorrect not to support military in this country, nothing else. And it is clear sin against God's commandment having two masters.love, hitomiMy point is very clear as well. Well since you say I nit pick your comment, How so? I can say the same to you, because you can't see what I'm saying between self-defense and military. And you say I'm being negative to you? Listen, you are the one that is twisting my words to suit your desire...and I don't like it one bit...It's clearly is the fact, we can't have two masters, we can't serve both sides at the same time...Anyway, I'm not going to pay any attention to remarks who twist my word...nor understand of self-defense.To be honest with you, I am quite honest.Love, JordanLovest ye in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    How am I nit picking your comment Hitomi? I'm certainly not following there. Christianity is a reality and continue to be so.My point is very clear as well. Well since you say I nit pick your comment, How so? I can say the same to you, because you can't see what I'm saying between self-defense and military. And you say I'm being negative to you? Listen, you are the one that is twisting my words to suit your desire...and I don't like it one bit...It's clearly is the fact, we can't have two masters, we can't serve both sides at the same time...Anyway, I'm not going to pay any attention to remarks who twist my word...nor understand of self-defense.To be honest with you, I am quite honest.Love, JordanLovest ye in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
    Well you seem to be avoiding my point and going into something else.My point has been about military and trinitarian churches have been supporting and joining. You have changed that you are talking about defense. why do you change the subject? You are saying that the military is self defense. You can twist around saying that military is not against "loving your enemy" teaching but you can not deny they are breaking God's comandment by having two masters. I repeat again since you have been changing around the subject: When Jesus followers make an oath to someone else you are being disloyal to God and Jesus since you already made an oath to God. Do I make myself clear?love, hitomi
     
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    KJV-Rome 1313:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Contemporary English Version - Rome 13:13:1 Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power.13:2 People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished.13:3 Rulers are a threat to evil people, not to good people. There is no need to be afraid of the authorities. Just do right, and they will praise you for it.13:4 After all, they are God's servants, and it is their duty to help you. If you do something wrong, you ought to be afraid, because these rulers have the right to punish you. They are God's servants who punish criminals to show how angry God is.
     
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    KJV-Rome 1313:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Contemporary English Version - Rome 13:13:1 Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power.13:2 People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished.13:3 Rulers are a threat to evil people, not to good people. There is no need to be afraid of the authorities. Just do right, and they will praise you for it.13:4 After all, they are God's servants, and it is their duty to help you. If you do something wrong, you ought to be afraid, because these rulers have the right to punish you. They are God's servants who punish criminals to show how angry God is.
    I am sorry ricky, I have enough opposers from my own people. I will not take lecture from muslims about my own faith or how to inerpret the Bible. I know you agree with the Trinitarians because you also have military yourself. It is so funny that you guys agree in military issue and killing each other and talking about love and peace. How ironic and ludicrous.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillahirrohmaanirrohiim(Joyful)
    I am sorry ricky, I have enough opposers from my own people. I will not take lecture from muslims about my own faith or how to inerpret the Bible. I know you agree with the Trinitarians because you also have military yourself. It is so funny that you guys agree in military issue and killing each other and talking about love and peace. How ironic and ludicrous.
    The first reason why i bring those verse was, because I just want to ask a aquestion regarding on the verse that i gave, regarding on Jordan statement, but later on i start thinking, perhaps you also has a different intrepretation regarding on the verse that I gave.("Jordan")
    Yesterday 09:37 PMthesuperjag Joyful, People's age means nothing. It doesn't even grant some special wisdom. Even an old man and women may not be able to understand His Words, since God is the beginning of true wisdom. Even a child (kid) may have more wisdom than adult does. In conclusion...God gives wisdom. Not our age.And I don't care what the government says, cause I don't listen to them. I rather stand by side with Christ.Lovest ye in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
    And Hitomi, i'm not trying to be opposite to one all of you at all, that is your own business, i will not trying to mix up between you with your fellow. But if that you still considered so, so be it for your self but not for me [​IMG].I bring those verse, i must admitted i don't know the intrepretation really was, by bring it those verse perhaps you can make it clear to me especially, and perhaps for other, pls don't negative thinking first on me [​IMG].Best regards,Ricky WWallahu a'lam.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillahirrohmaanirrohiimThe first reason why i bring those verse was, because I just want to ask a aquestion regarding on the verse that i gave, regarding on Jordan statement, but later on i start thinking, perhaps you also has a different intrepretation regarding on the verse that I gave.And Hitomi, i'm not trying to be opposite to one all of you at all, that is your own business, i will not trying to mix up between you with your fellow. But if that you still considered so, so be it for your self but not for me [​IMG].I bring those verse, i must admitted i don't know the intrepretation really was, by bring it those verse perhaps you can make it clear to me especially, and perhaps for other, pls don't negative thinking first on me [​IMG].Best regards,Ricky WWallahu a'lam.
    thank you ricky for your clarification.I would like to explain about government. Yes, we should abide by government law but if the government has law against God and Jesus' commandment we should not follow. Our Masters are YHWH and Jesus; we made an oath to them when we became Christians. That's why the military is clear transgression of God's commandment because we have to make an oath to the covernment when we enlist. the government owns you when you enlist for military. that's why the soldiers are called "GIs", the Government Issue. We gave our lives to YHWH and Jesus when we became Christians. They own us and not anyone else, not even government. Why do I know so much about the military? because my husband is retired military and I asked many, many questions to him.love, hitomi
     
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    "God only allows us to kill individuals if it's under the grounds of self defense." Please provide support for your belief. Using Jesus' principles through scripture please defend this statement.
     
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    Hey Boll Weevil.. This thread, as well as its last post, is from 2007. None of the users in this thread are still active. I doubt you'll get a response.

    Welcome to CyB!!!
     
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    Hello and welcome! Feel free to post. Don't be shy at all. God bless!
     
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    Thanks, I try to look at the dates and guess I overlooked this one.
     
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