People in Hell are happy

[Jack]

Imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth when it is realised they themselves shot the goose which laid the golden egg all the while blaming others.!

Oh, you believe in Hell now? Everyone will, soon.

Now back to my question you're EVADING:

Do you believe the Bible is God's Word? Yes or No?

Of course we already know the answer, don't we?

Matthew 24:38-39
38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Well if you're wrong you're heading for Hell Fire.

Ever thought you are the one in the wrong?

 

[Jack]

Ever thought you are the one in the wrong?

How am I wrong? I believe Jesus' warnings of Hell Fire.

So you're saying Jesus is wrong! You don't seem to have a clue what the Bible says about Hell Fire!

Satan LOVES it when his messengers convince people there is no everlasting Hell Fire!

Tell us what Jesus said about Hell Fire! Don't know? Or don't want to know? Did a minister of Satan convince you there is no everlasting Hell Fire???

 

[ArkangeMikail]

All who don't 'convert' will burn in Hell. It's a clear NT doctrine.

your God is not my God then

your God deceives people (He lets Muslim be born in Muslim families and countries, and He doesn't show Himself to the world to prove that Christianity is the Truth) and burns entire nations forever because they misnamed Him (Muslims call God "Allah" while they should have called Him "Jesus")

 

[ArkangeMikail]

I think you better base your faith in Scripture, God's Word, not miracles. Because even the anti-Christ when he comes will perform miracles.

Jesus said:
24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:24
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9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
2 Thessalonians 2:9

1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1

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The time for people to ask forgiveness and believe in the Lord is while they are still living.

God is merciful so He provided a way for us to be forgiven....what Jesus Christ did for us as our sacrifice. However God is also just so must punish sin if His way of forgiveness is rejected.




I agree. The Lord God's ways and thoughts are so above our understanding.

I believe faith goes with reason and observations.

If not, if faith is separated from reason, then Muslims believe in the Quran and we have no right to tell them they are wrong, because they believe that the Quran is from God.

I believe in Jesus-Christ because He performed miracles. If He did not, then I would not believe Him, or at least no more than any other prophet or philosopher.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You should do a study on Strong's G165 - aiōn and olam. The covenant that God made with Israel was not everlasting, but it was permanent. It got updated by Jesus.

Actually according to God's Word (New Testament) Jesus replaced the old covenant with the New Covenant when He became High Priest and He also changed the law from the law of Moses to the Law of Christ.

Hebrews 3:5,6
And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a Son over His own house; whose house are we, IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. (God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

So there was much more going on here than an update.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

your God deceives people (He lets Muslim be born in Muslim families and countries, and He doesn't show Himself to the world to prove that Christianity is the Truth) and burns entire nations forever because they misnamed Him (Muslims call God "Allah" while they should have called Him "Jesus")

The devil always blames God and teaches other to do the same.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Actually according to God's Word (New Testament) Jesus replaced the old covenant with the New Covenant when He became High Priest and He also changed the law from the law of Moses to the Law of Christ.

God gave a new covenant, and God updated the Laws through his final Messiah.

 

[MonoBiblical]

The devil always blames God and teaches other to do the same.

What if God tells Satan to hurt Job? I don't think you have a good answer for it.

 

[Jack]

your God is not my God then

your God deceives people (He lets Muslim be born in Muslim families and countries, and He doesn't show Himself to the world to prove that Christianity is the Truth) and burns entire nations forever because they misnamed Him (Muslims call God "Allah" while they should have called Him "Jesus")

My God is very patient. He will be perfectly fair on Judgment Day. Don't blame Him for people rejecting Him. He gave plenty of warnings in the NT.

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

 

[ArkangeMikail]

My God is very patient. He will be perfectly fair on Judgment Day. Don't blame Him for people rejecting Him. He gave plenty of warnings in the NT.

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

but Muslims don't read the Bible, do your God punish them for that?

 

[Jack]

but Muslims don't read the Bible, do your God punish them for that?

You don't read the Bible?

 

[Debp]

your God is not my God then

your God deceives people (He lets Muslim be born in Muslim families and countries, and He doesn't show Himself to the world to prove that Christianity is the Truth) and burns entire nations forever because they misnamed Him (Muslims call God "Allah" while they should have called Him "Jesus")

The one who is deceiving people is Satan. Since sin entered this world through Adam and Eve being deceived by the devil, Satan is called "the god of this world."

Who do you think deceived Mohammad in the cave? An evil spirit....and because Mohammad was led astray by the evil spirit, he founded a religion that enslaves people and keeps them from the true God.

Besides Muslims not knowing if they will be admitted to Paradise, the Paradise of Islam is a place of carnal pleasures...mainly sex for men. Whereas, Christians know Heaven is a place of joy, peace and no suffering because God in His holiness is there and there is no sin.... holiness in God's presence equals joy and peace. (And as Christians we have that peace of God in our minds and hearts right now....I do.)

The Lord Jesus Christ did show Himself to the world and revealed how to be saved...by faith in Him.

Even today Jesus Christ is appearing to Muslims in dreams and visions, leading to their faith in Him.

I believe faith goes with reason and observations.

If not, if faith is separated from reason, then Muslims believe in the Quran and we have no right to tell them they are wrong, because they believe that the Quran is from God.

I believe in Jesus-Christ because He performed miracles. If He did not, then I would not believe Him, or at least no more than any other prophet or philosopher.

Jesus Christ said:

4And when a great multitude had gathered, and they had come to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable: 5“A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it. 6Some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away because it lacked moisture. 7And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. 8But others fell on good ground, sprang up, and yielded a crop a hundredfold.” When He had said these things He cried, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”
Luke 8:4-8

Jesus Christ explains the parable:

11“Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. 14Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity. 15But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience.
Luke 8:11-15

 

[Debp]

but Muslims don't read the Bible, do your God punish them for that?

You are new to the faith so you don't understand. The Holy Spirit does work in people's hearts, trying to draw them to Christ as their Savior. It is an inward work of God...but they need to respond. If they reject Christ, that is their choice.

Think about it. You told me you were somehow drawn to knowing about Jesus Christ early this year. To me that must have been a work of the Holy Spirit drawing you.

29Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
John 20:29

 

[Debp]

@other one You might be interested in this topic.

 

[ArkangeMikail]

You don't read the Bible?

I do read the bible, I am reading both Old and New testaments and I am still reading them to finish them, but the Bible is very long and sometimes obscure

 

[Debp]

I do read the bible, I am reading both Old and New testaments and I am still reading them to finish them, but the Bible is very long and sometimes obscure

It's good for new believers to start reading the Gospels in the New Testament first because they contain the words and acts of Jesus Christ. Usually I recommend starting with the Gospel of John because it has a lot of Christ's words about Himself.

 

[ArkangeMikail]

The one who is deceiving people is Satan. Since sin entered this world through Adam and Eve being deceived by the devil, Satan is called "the god of this world."

Who do you think deceived Mohammad in the cave? An evil spirit....and because Mohammad was led astray by the evil spirit, he founded a religion that enslaves people and keeps them from the true God.

Besides Muslims not knowing if they will be admitted to Paradise, the Paradise of Islam is a place of carnal pleasures...mainly sex for men. Whereas, Christians know Heaven is a place of joy, peace and no suffering because God in His holiness is there and there is no sin.... holiness in God's presence equals joy and peace. (And as Christians we have that peace of God in our minds and hearts right now....I do.)

The Lord Jesus Christ did show Himself to the world and revealed how to be saved...by faith in Him.

Even today Jesus Christ is appearing to Muslims in dreams and visions, leading to their faith in Him.

I don't know how Islam was founded. It could be an evil spirit, but it's a hypothesis. Maybe it's simply human invention.

Yes, I do agree that Islamic Paradise is materialistic pleasure ("houris" = heavenly prostitutes), even if it depends on the interpretation.

The Lord Jesus-Christ did show Himself to the world, but it was in a specific place in a specific time. Most of people in Humanity never saw Him.

Jesus-Christ can appear to Muslims through mystical ways, but sometimes He does not want to reveal Himself.

 

[ArkangeMikail]

You are new to the faith so you don't understand. The Holy Spirit does work in people's hearts, trying to draw them to Christ as their Savior. It is an inward work of God...but they need to respond. If they reject Christ, that is their choice.

Think about it. You told me you were somehow drawn to knowing about Jesus Christ early this year. To me that must have been a work of the Holy Spirit drawing you.

29Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
John 20:29

The Holy Spirit can act in a man's heart, but it's certainly not universal, as we see many people not converting to Christ, through no fault of their own, because they simply don't know.

Yes, I have been drawn to Christ for some reason, but I am also lucky to live in a country that is historically Christian, so finding a church is easy for me. Some people are not born in Christian countries.

One person could be drawn to God through Christ, but that person could misinterpret it as Allah or the Buddah or else...

 

[ArkangeMikail]

Jesus Christ said:

4And when a great multitude had gathered, and they had come to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable: 5“A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it. 6Some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away because it lacked moisture. 7And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. 8But others fell on good ground, sprang up, and yielded a crop a hundredfold.” When He had said these things He cried, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”
Luke 8:4-8

Jesus Christ explains the parable:

11“Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. 14Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity. 15But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience.
Luke 8:11-15

I understand, but how can we distinguish and know the word of God?

Muslim believe the Quran is the word of God, even if it's not.

It is difficult to know the truth.