Philippians 2:12

[Waiting on him]

2 Corinthians 7:10-11 KJV
[10] For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. [11] For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.


Tecarta Bible

 

[Davy]

2 Corinthians 7:10-11 KJV
[10] For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. [11] For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.


Tecarta Bible

Yeah, and that is against the OSAS doctrine, because Paul is speaking of repentance there, which OSAS doesn't believe happens anymore.

 

[Waiting on him]

Yeah, and that is against the OSAS doctrine, because Paul is speaking of repentance there, which OSAS doesn't believe happens anymore.

So... how many times have you received salvation?

 

[Nondenom40]

Then you weren't paying attention.

Charity said:
"The 'fear and trembling' spoken of in this verse, is a reverential attitude towards God who works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure: for God's perfect love casts out all fear."

Paul's meaning for that fear and trembling is indeed about examining ourselves for sin, to see if we are truly following Christ or not. It is about fearing God in respecting Him because He has power to cast our soul in the lake of fire. Is it a good thing to fear our flesh father punishing us for not obeying him? Yeah, respecting even our flesh father whom God put over us is a healthy thing too. It's no less with our Heavenly Father, The Father of our soul.

Our Lord Jesus even told us this in Matthew 10:28 that we aren't to fear those who kill our flesh body but not our soul, but to fear Him Who is able to destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire. Why would anyone want to change our Lord's warning there into some lovey-dovey idea that He did not... say???

OSAS instead throws that kind of thinking out the window, and interprets it like Charity did in the above statement. Her consolation is that it's not her fault for creating such thinking as OSAS, but we all will be held accountable for who we listen to and believe.

You basically echoed what she said but added to it. Reverential fear, not punitive fear. And where are believers ever told they can be cast into hell? You still read too much into the op that isn't there. She said nothing about not repenting and so forth.

 

[Davy]

Since we're just posting Scripture now without interpretation, here's one by Apostle Paul to Timothy that isn't difficult at all to understand...

1 Tim 5:20
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
KJV

Wow! Rebuke of sinners and causing others to fear from that rebuke, and that... in Christ's Church! Apparently by the example of some here, they aren't seeing that in their Church.

 

[Waiting on him]

You basically echoed what she said but added to it. Reverential fear, not punitive fear. And where are believers ever told they can be cast into hell? You still read too much into the op that isn't there. She said nothing about not repenting and so forth.

How many times have you received salvation?

 

[Davy]

You basically echoed what she said but added to it. Reverential fear, not punitive fear. And where are believers ever told they can be cast into hell? You still read too much into the op that isn't there. She said nothing about not repenting and so forth.

There's that confusion of words again.

What did you not understand about Jesus warning to fear Him Who can destroy one's body and soul in the lake of fire per the verse I quoted?

No, you're just seeing what you WANT to see, and not the actual Scripture. It's more important for you to think yourself being right than to heed the Scripture as actually written.

 

[Davy]

So... how many times have you received salvation?

I have the Promise of Salvation by our Heavenly Father through His Son Jesus Christ by Faith on His Blood shed on the cross, however, He has not yet returned today, but will return some time in our near future. Until that time, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, just as Apostle Paul said.

 

[Waiting on him]

I have the Promise of Salvation by our Heavenly Father through His Son Jesus Christ by Faith on His Blood shed on the cross, however, He has not yet returned today, but will return some time in our near future. Until that time, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, just as Apostle Paul said.

I see.

 

[Nondenom40]

How many times have you received salvation?

I'm saved, present tense. No one is saved, unsaved, saved, unsaved.

 

[Waiting on him]

I have the Promise of Salvation by our Heavenly Father through His Son Jesus Christ by Faith on His Blood shed on the cross, however, He has not yet returned today, but will return some time in our near future. Until that time, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, just as Apostle Paul said.

How do you define salvation?

 

[Waiting on him]

I'm saved, present tense. No one is saved, unsaved, saved, unsaved.

What’s your definition of salvation?

 

[Nondenom40]

There's that confusion of words again.

What did you not understand about Jesus warning to fear Him Who can destroy one's body and soul in the lake of fire per the verse I quoted?

No, you're just seeing what you WANT to see, and not the actual Scripture. It's more important for you to think yourself being right than to heed the Scripture as actually written.

You need to read the whole chapter and not quote a snippet of it. The chapter is about Jesus sending out the 12. The repeated 'do not fear...' should tell you something. His words are words of comfort for those He is sending out. Its about persecution. You need to dig a bit deeper.

 

[Nondenom40]

What’s your definition of salvation?

Born again, 2 Cor 5:17, received eternal life, sealed in the Holy Spirit Eph 1. I can go on if you like.

 

[Waiting on him]

Born again, 2 Cor 5:17, received eternal life, sealed in the Holy Spirit Eph 1. I can go on if you like.

That sounds safe too me.

 

[Waiting on him]

Born again, 2 Cor 5:17, received eternal life, sealed in the Holy Spirit Eph 1. I can go on if you like.

Seems to also cast out fear, would you agree?

 

[marks]

Childishness.

Yes it is. Nothing like mature conversation. "I'll be rude if I want!" "If you think this, then you think (insert crazy thing)."

Yes. Childish.

 

[Waiting on him]

Yes it is. Nothing like mature conversation. "I'll be rude if I want!" "If you think this, then you think (insert crazy thing)."

Yes. Childish.

How many times have you received salvation?

 

[marks]

How many times have you received salvation?

We are only born once from flesh, and once from God.

The born again of God do not die.

 

[Waiting on him]

We are only born once from flesh, and once from God.

The born again of God do not die.

Are you afraid?