Philippians 2:12

[Waiting on him]

Once when I was baptized and had my sins remitted since then I have continued to walk in the light (1 John 1:7) and have not abandoned that walk altogether.

Some do abandon that walk and leave Christ becoming lost and remain lost unless, until they repent and return back to walking in the light.

Again the verb work in Phil 2:12 shows an action that is ongoing sustained. Similar to the idea one is not to quit running the race till he has crossed the finish line. Quit running the race one will not cross the finish line, will not enter the strait gate. Hebrews 12:1

Is there a reference in the Old Testament of this race runner

 

[farouk]

Is there a reference in the Old Testament of this race runner

Philippians 1.6 shows that all true runners keep in the race; and it's by the power of God, and not ours.

 

[Waiting on him]

Philippians 1.6 shows that all true runners keep in the race; and it's by the power of God, and not ours.

Psalms 19 gives us great insight too who’s running this race also

 

[Davy]

If someone is lost, s/he was never saved. Romans 8.38-39

That's the excuse OSAS likes to use. Like, "well, they didn't really believe on Jesus, so they were not saved." They say the same things about the five foolish virgins in Matt.25 which Jesus will shut the door on. Yet they had the lamps with the Oil in them, and were waiting on the bridegroom to come just as the five wise virgins were.

 

[farouk]

Psalms 19 gives us great insight too who’s running this race also

It's so important to let the Psalms search our hearts; there are such depths in the Psalms...

 

[farouk]

That's the excuse OSAS likes to use. Like, "well, they didn't really believe on Jesus, so they were not saved." They say the same things about the five foolish virgins in Matt.25 which Jesus will shut the door on. Yet they had the lamps with the Oil in them, and were waiting on the bridegroom to come just as the five wise virgins were.

False reasoning; sorry. Romans 8.38-39 is clear; so is John 10.28-29:

"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

 

[Waiting on him]

That's the excuse OSAS likes to use. Like, "well, they didn't really believe on Jesus, so they were not saved." They say the same things about the five foolish virgins in Matt.25 which Jesus will shut the door on. Yet they had the lamps with the Oil in them, and were waiting on the bridegroom to come just as the five wise virgins were.

Interesting they were awaiting the bridegroom, there’s a reference to Him in the psalms also.

 

[Waiting on him]

False reasoning; sorry. Romans 8.38-39 is clear; so is John 10.28-29:

"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

Many pluckers among us looking too pluck anyone pluckable.

 

[farouk]

Many pluckers among us looking too pluck anyone pluckable.

Pluck, pluck; cluck cluck...

 

[Waiting on him]

Pluck, pluck; cluck cluck...

Lol....

 

[farouk]

Lol....

Hard to translate into French, mind you...

 

[Davy]

False reasoning; sorry. Romans 8.38-39 is clear; so is John 10.28-29:

"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

Romans 8:38-39 does not say that. You're confused.

Rom 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
KJV

Romans 8:1 is what you're referring to, and IT HAS A CONDITION...

Rom 8:1
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
KJV

Apostle Paul put that condition in what he said (highlighted there in red). Men's false OSAS doctrines try to omit that condition. They do the same with Paul's condition in Galatians 5 also.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

If someone is lost, s/he was never saved. Romans 8.38-39

No, people can fall, become apostates.

The idea of he was "never really saved" would render the word 'apostate' a meaningless, useless word.

 

[farouk]

Romans 8:38-39 does not say that. You're confused.

Rom 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
KJV

Romans 8:1 is what you're referring to, and IT HAS A CONDITION...

Rom 8:1
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
KJV

Apostle Paul put that condition in what he said (highlighted there in red). Men's false OSAS doctrines try to omit that condition. They do the same with Paul's condition in Galatians 5 also.

And this condition is what characterizes true believers. "By their fruits ye shall know them"(Matthew 7.20).

 

[farouk]

No, people can fall, become apostates.

The idea of he was "never really saved" would render the word 'apostate' a meaningless, useless word.

An apostate has some light; but never life.

 

[Davy]

Interesting they were awaiting the bridegroom, there’s a reference to Him in the psalms also.

More please.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Is there a reference in the Old Testament of this race runner

Off the top of my head I cannot think of one. Under the OT law a Jew was physically born into a covenant relationship with God, yet the Jew still had to remain obedient to God to be saved. Most did not and God gave them up to their rejection of Him and cast them off from being His chosen, Romans 11.

 

[Davy]

An apostate has some light; but never life.

No, really, listen to what he said. The word 'apostate' means to have left what one had believed. In the case of belief on Jesus, no apostate can become an apostate without having first believed on Jesus as their Saviour.

 

[Waiting on him]

Off the top of my head I cannot think of one. Under the OT law a Jew was physically born into a covenant relationship with God, yet the Jew still had to remain obedient to God to be saved. Most did not and God gave them up to their rejection of Him and cast them off from being His chosen, Romans 11.

Have a look at psalm 19

 

[farouk]

No, really, listen to what he said. The word 'apostate' means to have left what one had believed. In the case of belief on Jesus, no apostate can become an apostate without having first believed on Jesus as their Saviour.

But it evidently wasn't saving faith; the Parable of the Sower clearly show examples of what looks like faith but is not, truly.