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[David in NJ]

How many grains of sand are there on all the beaches in the world?

Way before you were born God decided that He is not going to listen you and kill everyone.

Zechariah 14:16
Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

 

[GISMYS_7]

We are appointed to tribulation = JESUS said so - John 16:33
"These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation;
but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

We are not appointed to God's wrath = 1 Thess 1:10
"and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come."

Nobody is fighting against the rapture which will only occur AFTER His Coming and the Resurrection = 1 Thess 4:13-18

God never said 'pre-trib' rapture = never

Now since we are commanded to believe every word that comes from the Mouth of God, you need to believe His words.

JESUS says:
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You and i, together, are waiting for the Coming of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ

Think!!! Tribulations =yes!!! but the GREAT TRIBULATION JUDGMENTS NO !!!
Hey!!! I think you will be left behind and that will be all your choice.

 

[Timtofly]

If the earth is dissolved, how do we rule the nations?

Posting online in the here and now, will be about as close as it gets.

 

[Timtofly]

How is someone able to know if the 1,000 Years are literal or symbolic?

The same way they know time is literal and not symbolic. If we look back at time, history, or forward in time, prophecy, was time just an abstract concept? Did the past literally happen or was it just symbolic of humanities present, that is no longer available? We have the symbolic abstract half of the equation called the Day of the Lord. We know that "Day" is literally coming. If time is abstract to us, so is the Day of the Lord and any millennium on earth. The point is not: is it literal or abstract (symbolic). The point is will it happen or not, or as the alternative answer, it already happened.

We know from Peter even though many refuse the point that both abstract concepts mean the same thing. The Day of the Lord is the same as a thousand years. Neither have to be literal. And even if you lived for a thousand years, it still may not seem literal, after it is over.

The question is do you really think the Day of Lord is actually a thousand years, and is that day coming or already in the past. Because if that day is a thousand years, then those who claim it is in the future will be wrong, after that future thousand years are over, and then it will be too late to do anything about it. Just like it is too late to do anything about the last 1993 years, which have still been the last days, almost 2 of them.

Because claiming God uses time to explain what no-time is, is a rather odd thing to say.

 

[Timtofly]

I never voted because there are a lot more people than only Truth7t7 doin' that stuff. T.B.H I also copy 'n paste sometimes (from my own work), but only in actual response to an actual post and in an actual reply to an actual statement in that post, which I will have actually read, and I actually might change the wording of what I copied and pasted slightly to fit the post I'm replying to.

Can you imagine a person standing in judgment before God, and God asked what did you do, what are your works?

The person answers back, if you can bring back those online forum computers, I will show you.

 

[Truth7t7]

Way before you were born God decided that He is not going to listen you and kill everyone.

Zechariah 14:16
Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?​

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[David in NJ]

Think!!! Tribulations =yes!!! but the GREAT TRIBULATION JUDGMENTS NO !!!
Hey!!! I think you will be left behind and that will be all your choice.

Do you believe the words of God?

Matt 4:4 - "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the Mouth of God"

Why is it that you are unable to post a single scripture where God says - "I will rapture my church before the Great Tribulation".

 

[David in NJ]

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?​

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Isaiah 4:3-4 is not parallel to Zech 14:16 - please read carefully

 

[David in NJ]

The same way they know time is literal and not symbolic. If we look back at time, history, or forward in time, prophecy, was time just an abstract concept? Did the past literally happen or was it just symbolic of humanities present, that is no longer available? We have the symbolic abstract half of the equation called the Day of the Lord. We know that "Day" is literally coming. If time is abstract to us, so is the Day of the Lord and any millennium on earth. The point is not: is it literal or abstract (symbolic). The point is will it happen or not, or as the alternative answer, it already happened.

We know from Peter even though many refuse the point that both abstract concepts mean the same thing. The Day of the Lord is the same as a thousand years. Neither have to be literal. And even if you lived for a thousand years, it still may not seem literal, after it is over.

The question is do you really think the Day of Lord is actually a thousand years, and is that day coming or already in the past. Because if that day is a thousand years, then those who claim it is in the future will be wrong, after that future thousand years are over, and then it will be too late to do anything about it. Just like it is too late to do anything about the last 1993 years, which have still been the last days, almost 2 of them.

Because claiming God uses time to explain what no-time is, is a rather odd thing to say.

We can know if it is a literal 1,000 years by reading the first 5 chapters of Genesis.

 

[David in NJ]

I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived (zao) and reigned with Christ a thousand years... This is the first resurrection (ho anastasis)

There is a long list of New Testament verses containing the word zao (alive| living). Those that are not referring to the living God, are all (without exception) referring to humans alive in their bodies. Not one verse containing that word is talking about someone who has died/fallen asleep/is no longer in a human body.

So John saw those who had been beheaded alive in their own bodies.

anastasis is the noun for the resurrection of the body - of the body, because every time it appears in the N.T it's referring to the resurrection of the body.

Worshiping the beast or not worshiping the beast - well, that choice hasn't come around yet for all the world (or at least no one mentioned it in the history books).

Then there are a good few verses talking about Satan's activities in the world, warning Christians to be aware of his wiles, etc. He's deceiving the nations - i.e all those whose minds have been blinded by him so that they cannot understand the gospel. (Yet he has been bound and unable to deceive the nations until this current thousand years times ?? are over?).

There are more. I think No PreTB quoted Psalm 2:8-9, which is pertinent, because Hebrews 2:8b says "But now (nyn: of this present time) we do not yet see all things having been put under him. But (what we do see now is) Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor, that He by the grace of God should taste death for every son.

So our Savior came as the Lamb of God and has been crowned with glory and honor but has not yet returned as the King of all the kingdoms of this world - all things have not yet been placed under His feet, though He has already been given authority over all things.​

The first 5 chapters of Genesis confirm that the 1,000 years in Revelation is literal.

 

[Timtofly]

Way before you were born God decided that He is not going to listen you and kill everyone.

Zechariah 14:16
Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

I don't think kill is the appropriate word. Destroy in the LOF would be more appropriate. Besides Jesus is the resurrection and the life, and all alive on the earth are already in a state of death. They will all be changed and translated out of death into life. No one will be in a state of death in the Millennium.

Technically all have to die to Adam's dead corruptible flesh, but that is a resurrection, not "being killed". In fact the physical change out of dead corruptible flesh into God's permanent incorruptible physical body is the first resurrection.

Most seem to think God changes the dead body. Paul explained to you all, the body that is put in the ground is not the same body the soul is given to have eternal life. The process was symbolized by a seed placed into the ground not being the same entity that grew up as a plant to create more seeds. The original seed was considered dead and gone. But the physical body is not a plant seed placed into the ground that grows a new body in the ground. That new body is waiting in heaven made by God, incorruptible and permanent.

It is man's carnel knowledge that thinks the old body needs to be preserved so it can come back better than ever. No, Adam's dead corruptible flesh returns to dust never to be resurrected. The first resurrection is the soul leaving one body, for God's permanent body. In the case of the OT redeemed, they had to wait as souls in Abraham's bosom until the Cross. Then Paradise was opened to enter into physically. The only two people who could come and go from Paradise in a physical body prior to the Cross was Elijah and Moses. They were already translated into that permanent incorruptible physical body.

Nor does God have to leave a dead corpse laying around. The old flesh could instantly turn to dust, never to be seen again. I guess it seems more plausible to just change the old flesh, but that is not what Paul wrote exactly happens. We are not a body with a soul. We are a soul with a body.

Those survivors on the earth after the Second Coming is the final harvest of the wheat and tares. They are considered redeemed and in the Lamb's book of life. They were not gathered as tares and cast into the LOF. They were literally the wheat, the new product of a seed being sown into the ground, dying , and producing new life.

They are mentioned in Matthew 13 as the final harvest. They rule and reign on the earth during the Day of the Lord. They are not the church in Paradise, as the church was raptured off the earth at the Second Coming. They are the survivors still on the earth after the Second Coming. They don't endure until the end. They are just gathered after many have already been cast into the LOF. They still leave Adam's dead corruptible flesh, whether that is painful or not, in physical death, or they are changed and protected like the 144k. We are not told. John was not allowed to write down what happened when the 7 Thunders sounded.

 

[No Pre-TB]

"The Nations" of the "Saved" will be in New Jerusalem, you want this to be in a man made millennial kingdom on "This Earth" False

The events you post are in the eternal kingdom, in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

"Eternal New Jerusalem"

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Yes, the nations of the saved will be in the New Jerusalem on the Earth. And outside the New Jerusalem will be "For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."

The difference between the Old Earth and the New Earth is the New Earth had removed all the things the Old Earth contained that was shakable. We will still be on the same planet.

 

[Truth7t7]

Isaiah 4:3-4 is not parallel to Zech 14:16 - please read carefully

We Disagree, It Is A Parallel Reading

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, the nations of the saved will be in the New Jerusalem on the Earth. And outside the New Jerusalem will be "For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."

The difference between the Old Earth and the New Earth is the New Earth had removed all the things the Old Earth contained that was shakable. We will still be on the same planet.

There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as you continue to claim

The Lake of fire is in the New Heaven and Earth, outside the gates of New Jerusalem

Isaiah 66:22-24KJV
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Revelation 22:14-15KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

 

[David in NJ]

Isaiah 4:3-4 is not parallel to Zech 14:16 - please read carefully

T7,

Please read Isaiah ch4 again.

Isaiah ch4 pertains to the Jewish people.

Zechariah 14:16 pertains to the survivors of the nations that came against the Jews/Jerusalem.

Two distinct groups of peoples.

 

[No Pre-TB]

There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as you continue to claim

And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison,

This is where we get the word millennial
5507 xílioi – properly, a thousand; the product of 10 x 10 x 10 (103, ten cubed); (figuratively) emphatic, total inclusiveness, showing no one (nothing) is left out. See also "the Millennium"

When does Christ Kingdom come? At the 7th trumpet
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever

Matthew 25
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Here he is the son of man till he sits on the throne, then he becomes the King.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

When?
2 Tim 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

He comes to reign and receive his Kingdom. He reigns for 1k years. How?

1 Cor 15
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

His coming coincides with the resurrection of the dead in his kingdom per 2 Tim 4:1. He must reign per 1 Cor 15:25 and we are told that reign is 1k years in Rev 20. Afterwards, he will deliver up that Kingdom to God per 1 Cor 15 after he had put down all rule and authority and power. The last enemy to be destroyed is death and Rev 20 says death isn't destroyed till after the 1k years are expired (Rev 20:7) and the GWTJ happens (Rev 20:11) and then death is finished in Rev 20:14

It's not what I claim. It's what the Bible claims. I gave you the verses. The ball is now in your court.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Satan is the god of this world until Jesus returns and defeats all evil!!!

What was your reason for posting this in response to what I said in my post? Do you disagree with what I said?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Way before you were born God decided that He is not going to listen you and kill everyone.

Zechariah 14:16
Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

Do you believe that animal sacrifices as sin offerings will be reinstated in the future? That is what you would have to believe if you think that it will be a requirement to observer the feast of tabernacles in the future.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How is someone able to know if the 1,000 Years are literal or symbolic?

why would it be symbolic. of what?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you believe that animal sacrifices as sin offerings will be reinstated in the future? That is what you would have to believe if you think that it will be a requirement to observer the feast of tabernacles in the future.

do we believe Israel in sin will start animal sacrifice?

Not only do I believe it. They have everything in place to do it now. in fact. I think I saw where some priests are at this moment practicing it.