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[Spiritual Israelite]

do we believe Israel in sin will start animal sacrifice?

What does it means for "Israel in sin" to "start animal sacrifice"? Do you believe that relates to this verse?

Zechariah 14:16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

This is the verse that someone quoted that I was responding to. Are you talking about something related to this verse or about something else?

Not only do I believe it. They have everything in place to do it now. in fact. I think I saw where some priests are at this moment practicing it.

But, do you believe that God wants them to do that? Do you think this has anything to do with Zechariah 14:16-21?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

why would it be symbolic. of what?

Of the time period during which Jesus reigns over all, as He does now (Matt 28:18, Eph 1:19-22) and during which Satan's activities and wickedness in general are restrained (2 Thess 2:1-12) in order to allow for the light of the gospel to shine throughout the world. In Old Testament times, Satan held "the power of death" and kept people in slavery to "the fear of death", but "by His death" Jesus took that away from him (Hebrews 2:14-15).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison,

This is where we get the word millennial
5507 xílioi – properly, a thousand; the product of 10 x 10 x 10 (103, ten cubed); (figuratively) emphatic, total inclusiveness, showing no one (nothing) is left out. See also "the Millennium"

When does Christ Kingdom come? At the 7th trumpet
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever

Matthew 25
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Here he is the son of man till he sits on the throne, then he becomes the King.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

When?
2 Tim 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

He comes to reign and receive his Kingdom. He reigns for 1k years. How?

1 Cor 15
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

His coming coincides with the resurrection of the dead in his kingdom per 2 Tim 4:1. He must reign per 1 Cor 15:25 and we are told that reign is 1k years in Rev 20. Afterwards, he will deliver up that Kingdom to God per 1 Cor 15 after he had put down all rule and authority and power. The last enemy to be destroyed is death and Rev 20 says death isn't destroyed till after the 1k years are expired (Rev 20:7) and the GWTJ happens (Rev 20:11) and then death is finished in Rev 20:14

It's not what I claim. It's what the Bible claims. I gave you the verses. The ball is now in your court.

The Bible claims that He reigns now and that we are in His kingdom now. His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36).

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Ephesians 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

Colossians 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What does it means for "Israel in sin" to "start animal sacrifice"? Do you believe that relates to this verse?

Zechariah 14:16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

This is the verse that someone quoted that I was responding to. Are you talking about something related to this verse or about something else?


But, do you believe that God wants them to do that? Do you think this has anything to do with Zechariah 14:16-21?

I am looking at prophesy that states they will do it.

They have not recieved christ at that time. so to them it would be in sin. because they are still trying to get to God through law. not grace through Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Bible claims that He reigns now and that we are in His kingdom now. His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36).

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Ephesians 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

Colossians 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

He is not ruling with a rod of Iron now
He is not ruling in jerusalem now
Nations are not being punished because they fail to go worship him in jerusalem once a year.

 

[David in NJ]

Do you believe that animal sacrifices as sin offerings will be reinstated in the future? That is what you would have to believe if you think that it will be a requirement to observer the feast of tabernacles in the future.

The animal blood sacrifices are over.

When the LORD Returns, the feast of tabernacles is to go up to Jerusalem and worship the KING.

 

[David in NJ]

why would it be symbolic. of what?

There is symbolism in Revelation such as the "red dragon".

Therefore the question is: "How does a student of the Bible discern/uncover/discover if the '1,000 years' are literal or symbolic.

 

[No Pre-TB]

The Bible claims that He reigns now and that we are in His kingdom now.

1 Cor 15:23-25 says it is future. He must first reign. He is still in heaven making intercession. He has not come back yet. We have been made a Kingdom of Priests but we do not reign on earth yet with Him. We will not reign till we reign with Him, when he comes back, over the nations. And we do not nor have we ever ruled over the nations. I know your Amill, you know I am not. Neither of us will budge on this. It is futile.

edit:
I should add,
Do you agree, Yes or No:
1. We will reign with him 1k years
2. When he comes back at his second advent, he will be given a kingdom that will never be destroyed Daniel 7:14
3. This undestroyable Kingdom will happen after the future beast Kingdom comes.

 

[Zao is life]

Can you imagine a person standing in judgment before God, and God asked what did you do, what are your works?

The person answers back, if you can bring back those online forum computers, I will show you.

Yeah our words in print are just as well spoken by us, and we will give an account of every idle word we speak, or type.

I don't feel confident about it, just saying because I'm aware. Internet forums and doing social media hasn't made the world a better place, but worse. Easier to insult someone we don't see than someone we can see. Real human interaction with someone you can see automatically makes us more cautious.

 

[Zao is life]

The first 5 chapters of Genesis confirm that the 1,000 years in Revelation is literal.

I'm ignorant as to why you say that. I've never linked the thousand years with the first 5 books of Genesis. I would like to hear why you say that.

One thing I have noticed is that Lamech lived 777 years. I've heard that Jewish tradition has it that the day he died the flood began, but I don't know if that's true. What is true is that 777 comes up again as a number both in the judgment of Jericho and in the Revelation.

That's besides the point - I'd like to hear why you say that the first 5 books of Genesis proves a literal thousand years (Forgive me if you've already answered that question before, or told me before why you say that).

 

[David in NJ]

I'm ignorant as to why you say that. I've never linked the thousand years with the first 5 books of Genesis. I would like to hear why you say that.

One thing I have noticed is that Lamech lived 777 years. I've heard that Jewish tradition has it that the day he died the flood began, but I don't know if that's true. What is true is that 777 comes up again as a number both in the judgment of Jericho and in the Revelation.

That's besides the point - I'd like to hear why you say that the first 5 books of Genesis proves a literal thousand years (Forgive me if you've already answered that question before, or told me before why you say that).

lol - did i say 'books' - lol = i meant chapters

ALL of us are born ignorant.
Thank God we have been 'Born-Again' so that we can know and believe the TRUTH

The Truth (in relation to the literal vs symbolic 1,000 years of Revelation ch20) that we can SEE in the first five chapters is summed up in Adam in chapter 5

"This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died."

P.S. - as you know, religion likes to keep us ignorant

 

[Nancy]

I'm ignorant as to why you say that. I've never linked the thousand years with the first 5 books of Genesis. I would like to hear why you say that.

One thing I have noticed is that Lamech lived 777 years. I've heard that Jewish tradition has it that the day he died the flood began, but I don't know if that's true. What is true is that 777 comes up again as a number both in the judgment of Jericho and in the Revelation.

That's besides the point - I'd like to hear why you say that the first 5 books of Genesis proves a literal thousand years (Forgive me if you've already answered that question before, or told me before why you say that)

Thank you for asking that question, I also wonder which particular scriptures in Genesis 1st 5 books. supports this view F.O.T.G.

The Lord really does use numbers, and Hebrew first names a lot.

 

[Zao is life]

lol - did i say 'books' - lol = i meant chapters

ALL of us are born ignorant.
Thank God we have been 'Born-Again' so that we can know and believe the TRUTH

The Truth (in relation to the literal vs symbolic 1,000 years of Revelation ch20) that we can SEE in the first five chapters is summed up in Adam in chapter 5

"This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died."

P.S. - as you know, religion likes to keep us ignorant

Lol. No you said chapters, but at least my ignorance of the fact that you never said books only caused me to speed read again through the first 5 chapters (not that Genesis is 5 books), but anyway somewhere my brain confused the issue.

Thanks for the reply but I still don't see how the almost 1,000 years that took place after Adam lost his right to the tree of life explains 1,000 years of a right (of resurrected saints) to the tree of life before Satan is released again. I'm slower than many in some respects. Hopefully faster to grasp in other respects, but not in this respect.

 

[Zao is life]

Thank you for asking that question, I also wonder which particular scriptures in Genesis 1st 5 books. supports this view F.O.T.G.

The Lord really does use numbers, and Hebrew first names a lot.

My domino fell and now it continues .. first 5 chapters of Genesis, not books. LOL.

 

[Zao is life]

And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison,

This is where we get the word millennial
5507 xílioi – properly, a thousand; the product of 10 x 10 x 10 (103, ten cubed); (figuratively) emphatic, total inclusiveness, showing no one (nothing) is left out. See also "the Millennium"

When does Christ Kingdom come? At the 7th trumpet
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever

Matthew 25
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Here he is the son of man till he sits on the throne, then he becomes the King.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

When?
2 Tim 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

He comes to reign and receive his Kingdom. He reigns for 1k years. How?

1 Cor 15
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

His coming coincides with the resurrection of the dead in his kingdom per 2 Tim 4:1. He must reign per 1 Cor 15:25 and we are told that reign is 1k years in Rev 20. Afterwards, he will deliver up that Kingdom to God per 1 Cor 15 after he had put down all rule and authority and power. The last enemy to be destroyed is death and Rev 20 says death isn't destroyed till after the 1k years are expired (Rev 20:7) and the GWTJ happens (Rev 20:11) and then death is finished in Rev 20:14

It's not what I claim. It's what the Bible claims. I gave you the verses. The ball is now in your court.

These texts tell us that only those who remained faithful to the end will be given power over the nations (for all we know they may very well be ruling over the rest of the dead in Christ who did not, before having died in Christ, have to face the choice of either denying Christ, or death, or to either worship the beast, or be killed):-

1. Revelation 2:20-29, where Jezebel and those who follow her fornication are told they will be thrown into [megas thlipsis] (great tribulation) unless they repent of their deeds, and where the promise is made to those who overcome and keep Christ's works to the end that they will be given power over the nations; and

2. Revelation 20:4-6 where those who had been beheaded for refusing to worship the beast are told they will reign with Christ a thousand years and will never face the second death.

The above verses are not saying that ruling over the nations is extended to all those who ever died in Christ, who were never tested by that sort of choice.

Those who faced that sort of choice and overcame may be ruling over the twelve tribes of Israel - the rest of us - with the apostles.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I am looking at prophesy that states they will do it.

They have not recieved christ at that time. so to them it would be in sin. because they are still trying to get to God through law. not grace through Christ.

Remember, it was Zechariah 14:16 that was being discussed. So, is your belief in future animal sacrifices based on Zechariah 14:16-21 at all or not?

 

[Nancy]

My domino fell and now it continues .. first 5 chapters of Genesis, not books. LOL.

Oops, meant to say "chapters".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

1 Cor 15:23-25 says it is future.

I disagree. When it says "He must reign..." it can mean that He reigns now and must continue to reign until He puts all enemies under His feet.

He must first reign.

He reigns now. I showed you the scriptures which teach that. Did you read those? Here they are again:

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Ephesians 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

Colossians 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

He is still in heaven making intercession. He has not come back yet.

When He comes back that will be the end and He will then deliver the kingdom He has been reigning over to the Father.

We have been made a Kingdom of Priests but we do not reign on earth yet with Him.

We're on the earth and have Him in our hearts, right? Where does scripture teach that we would reign with Him in any other way on the earth?

We will not reign till we reign with Him, when he comes back, over the nations. And we do not nor have we ever ruled over the nations. I know your Amill, you know I am not. Neither of us will budge on this. It is futile.

You're right about that, but you should at least acknowledge that He reigns now even if you don't acknowledge that Revelation 20 is talking about that since scripture very explicitly teaches that He has been reigning since His resurrection.

edit:
I should add,
Do you agree, Yes or No:
1. We will reign with him 1k years

Not for a literal one thousand years. His followers have been reigning with Him during the time that the thousand years figuratively represents which is generally the New Testament time period. You said you know that I'm Amill, so I'm not sure why you're asking me this question.

2. When he comes back at his second advent, he will be given a kingdom that will never be destroyed Daniel 7:14

That already occurred at His ascension. Compare Daniel 7:13-14 to Ephesians 1:19-22 and you should see that it's talking about His ascension, not His second coming.

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Notice that Daniel 7:13 talks about Him being brought to "the Ancient of days", which is referring to God the Father. Where would that occur? In heaven. So, this is about Him ascending to heaven to the Father, not descending from heaven. So, it is in heaven that he "was given...dominion, and glory, and a kingdom". Does that not line up with what Paul wrote in Ephesians 1:19-22 in regards to His resurrection and subsequent ascension where the Father "set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named...in this world" and "put all things under his feet"? I believe it clearly does.

3. This undestroyable Kingdom will happen after the future beast Kingdom comes.

No. Scripture teaches it came long ago already as I have shown. At His second coming He will hand it to the Father and it will be manifested in its fullness in the new heavens and on the new earth at that point.

 

[David in NJ]

Lol. No you said chapters, but at least my ignorance of the fact that you never said books only caused me to speed read again through the first 5 chapters (not that Genesis is 5 books), but anyway somewhere my brain confused the issue.

Thanks for the reply but I still don't see how the almost 1,000 years that took place after Adam lost his right to the tree of life explains 1,000 years of a right (of resurrected saints) to the tree of life before Satan is released again. I'm slower than many in some respects. Hopefully faster to grasp in other respects, but not in this respect.

This is part of God's Mystery and examine closely the number of years Adam lived.

Peace

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

He is not ruling with a rod of Iron now

That is true. That is associated with Him destroying His enemies when He returns. Tell me how any of His enemies (any unbelievers) will survive that.

He is not ruling in jerusalem now

He never will.

Nations are not being punished because they fail to go worship him in jerusalem once a year.

You are obviously alluding to Zechariah 14:16-21. Do you know that by interpreting that passage literally and believing it will occur in the future means that animal sacrifices for sin offerings would have to be reinstated in the future since observing the feast of tabernacles involves making animal sacrifices as sin offerings? Is that what you believe will happen? If so, are you comfortable with that in light of NT scripture like Hebrews 8-10?