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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:

Next.
The forerunner knew why Jesus was here. To take away the sin of the world!
Where do you suppose He took it away to?

John 1:29 NIV
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

The Scripture says he takes away sin as far as the east from the west. Never to remember again.

Here's an interesting thing.
Since we have a north and south pole on this planet, there is an absolute north and south.
A point at which continuing north eventually becomes heading south.

This cannot be said about east and west.
There is no absolute east and west. Head east and you will never start heading west.

I think maybe the emphasis is on the never remembering again.

Right, because that is so much more important than taking away the sin of the world.
Especially when God is omniscient. (never forgets) I'm sure you can explain. (have at it)

 

[St. SteVen]

Next.
To reconcile ALL things, "whether things on earth or things in heaven"

Now why would God need to reconcile to himself things in heaven?
What would be there that needs to be reconciled?
Anything/anyone that arrived unreconciled.
Like?

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things,
whether things on earth or things in heaven,
by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

 

[Charlie24]

St. SteVen said:

Next.
The forerunner knew why Jesus was here. To take away the sin of the world!
Where do you suppose He took it away to?

John 1:29 NIV
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Here's an interesting thing.
Since we have a north and south pole on this planet, there is an absolute north and south.
A point at which continuing north eventually becomes heading south.

This cannot be said about east and west.
There is no absolute east and west. Head east and you will never start heading west.

Right, because that is so much more important than taking away the sin of the world.
Especially when God is omniscient. (never forgets) I'm sure you can explain. (have at it)

I can get along fine with you, Steven, when the UR is nowhere in sight.

Actually I've always felt that I left my sins at the foot of the Cross. That's where Christ shed His blood for the remission of sin.

You know that God demanded the blood of man for his sins. The Scripture says that "the life is in the blood, and I (God) have given it to you on the alter. He was referring to giving Christ to die for our sins on the Cross. Without the shedding of blood their is no forgiveness.

Man had no way of paying that price, so God made a way for us through His Son. He took our place, for our sins, and laid down His life freely for us.

 

[Charlie24]

Next.
To reconcile ALL things, "whether things on earth or things in heaven"

Now why would God need to reconcile to himself things in heaven?
What would be there that needs to be reconciled?
Anything/anyone that arrived unreconciled.
Like?

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things,
whether things on earth or things in heaven,
by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

It has to do with Satan and the fallen angels. The Cross of Christ not only dealt with the sins of man, but also the sins committed in the heavens.

 

[St. SteVen]

It has to do with Satan and the fallen angels. The Cross of Christ not only dealt with the sins of man, but also the sins committed in the heavens.

Are you claiming that the demons (fallen angels), have been, or will be reconciled to God?

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things,
whether things on earth or things in heaven,
by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

 

[Charlie24]

Are you claiming that the demons (fallen angels), have been, or will be reconciled to God?

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things,
whether things on earth or things in heaven,
by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Of course not! I'm referring to all things becoming subject to Him.

Through faith all things are reconciled to Him. That is what faith does, it makes reconciliation possible.

There is no faith in Satan and the angels, other than themselves.

The sins of Satan had to be addressed as did the sins of the unbelieving man, which neither are found in favor of God.

This is the reconciliation "of all things" being made subject to Him.

 

[ButterflyJones]

St. SteVen said:

Next.
The forerunner knew why Jesus was here. To take away the sin of the world!
Where do you suppose He took it away to?

John 1:29 NIV
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Here's an interesting thing.
Since we have a north and south pole on this planet, there is an absolute north and south.
A point at which continuing north eventually becomes heading south.

This cannot be said about east and west.
There is no absolute east and west. Head east and you will never start heading west.

Right, because that is so much more important than taking away the sin of the world.
Especially when God is omniscient. (never forgets) I'm sure you can explain. (have at it)

Omniscience=The state of knowing everything.

 

[St. SteVen]

The sins of Satan had to be addressed as did the sins of the unbelieving man, which neither are found in favor of God.

Addressed?
The sins of Satan had to be addressed?
The sins of Satan had to be addressed, as did the sins of the unbelieving man?
So then the Atonement covered the sins of Satan as well?
Sounds like UR to me.

 

[St. SteVen]

I can get along fine with you, Steven, when the UR is nowhere in sight.

I don't understand why my beliefs should have an effect on your ability to get along with me.
Seems to point to an issue on your side, not mine. Perhaps you need to work on your get-along-er. - LOL

 

[St. SteVen]

Next.
Judgment leads to learning, not punishment. Judgment is corrective, and merciful.

Isaiah 26:9
My soul yearns for you in the night;
in the morning my spirit longs for you.
When your judgments come upon the earth,
the people of the world learn righteousness.

 

[Charlie24]

Addressed?
The sins of Satan had to be addressed?
The sins of Satan had to be addressed, as did the sins of the unbelieving man?
So then the Atonement covered the sins of Satan as well?
Sounds like UR to me.

Steven, the whole concept of UR is twisted. It assumes all men are saved regardless of mans free will to reject God.

The Ur disregards all the Laws God has established, and refuses to see we are under His authority not our own.

Only the born-again who have chosen Christ will be accepted of God.

Those who don't will still come under the Laws of God, Everything in creation will answer to God.

There comes a time when creation is restored to its natural state, when all sin in heaven and earth are taken away with no traces of sin left anywhere. This can only be done by what Christ did on the Cross, he satisfied the sin problem forever. And now all things will come to order under His authority.

 

[Charlie24]

Next.
Judgment leads to learning, not punishment. Judgment is corrective, and merciful.

Isaiah 26:9
My soul yearns for you in the night;
in the morning my spirit longs for you.
When your judgments come upon the earth,
the people of the world learn righteousness.

There you go, undermining the Laws of God plainly written in Scripture.

No regard whatsoever for His authority, but demanding your way be received of God.

A little child in a candy shop that needs a good old spanking.

 

[St. SteVen]

There comes a time when creation is restored to its natural state, when all sin in heaven and earth are taken away with no traces of sin left anywhere. This can only be done by what Christ did on the Cross, he satisfied the sin problem forever. And now all things will come to order under His authority.

Well said. That is the essence of UR right there.
I thought you weren't a believer. I was so wrong!

 

[Charlie24]

Well said. That is the essence of UR right there.
I thought you weren't a believer. I was so wrong!

Accept you have not surrendered to Christ in faith, Steven. It's that simple.

You are rebelling against God demanding your way, disregarding His written Laws.

You refuse to trust that all He says, all He does is right, even though you don't understand.

That is faith, Steven, and my friend, you are in need of it!

 

[St. SteVen]

Steven, the whole concept of UR is twisted. It assumes all men are saved regardless of mans free will to reject God.

The basis of salvation is the finished work of Christ on our behalf.
We cannot undo, by an act of our puny will, what only God can do in the first place. IMHO

The Ur disregards all the Laws God has established, and refuses to see we are under His authority not our own.

What became of the law?

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Only the born-again who have chosen Christ will be accepted of God.

Not our Catholic brothers and sisters. They will be sad, if not infuriated, to hear that.

Those who don't will still come under the Laws of God, Everything in creation will answer to God.

Under the law? (nope) "The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase.
But where sin increased, grace increased all the more," - Romans 5:20 NIV

Yes! Everything in creation will answer to God. On that point we agree. Thanks.

There comes a time when creation is restored to its natural state, when all sin in heaven and earth are taken away with no traces of sin left anywhere. This can only be done by what Christ did on the Cross, he satisfied the sin problem forever. And now all things will come to order under His authority.

You're hired. - LOL

 

[St. SteVen]

A little child in a candy shop that needs a good old spanking.

That's me. Like a kid in a candy shop.

Luke 18:16-17 NIV
But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 17 Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”

 

[Charlie24]

The basis of salvation is the finished work of Christ on our behalf.
We cannot undo, by an act of our puny will, what only God can do in the first place. IMHO

What became of the law?

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Not our Catholic brothers and sisters. They will be sad, if not infuriated, to hear that.

Under the law? (nope) "The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase.
But where sin increased, grace increased all the more," - Romans 5:20 NIV

Yes! Everything in creation will answer to God. On that point we agree. Thanks.

Your hired. - LOL

I'm not speaking of the Law of Moses, Steven. I'm speaking of the Laws established by God throughout His Word.

Laws that say, "the wages of sin is death" that' a Law of God. He abides by that Law.

"If you believe not that I am He, you shall die in your sin" That is an established Law of God.

You can be saved and still rebel against God! That is what you're doing.

I have plainly shown you, and you know it, that those who are cast in the Lake of Fire DO NOT get out.

Don't say I haven't shown you that! But yet you can't trust God that He knows what He's doing.

You insist to have it your way. It's pure rebellion against God. You do not trust in Him that His way is the right way.

That's the wedge between us, Steven. You are in total rebellion against my God, and I don't like it.

 

[St. SteVen]

Accept you have not surrendered to Christ in faith, Steven. It's that simple.

I think you meant "except", not "accept".
Exception, or acceptance?

Not surrendered to Christ in faith? Don't be silly.

You are rebelling against God demanding your way, disregarding His written Laws.

"... disregarding His written Laws"? Which ones?

Demanding my own way?
More like, demanding answers concerning the flawed doctrines of evangelicalism.
Evangelicalism and God are two different things. Ask any Catholic.

You refuse to trust that all He says, all He does is right, even though you don't understand.

All he does is right?
Yes, but your claims about WHAT he does are bogus.

That is faith, Steven, and my friend, you are in need of it!

Faith in what? Evangelical doctrines?

 

[Charlie24]

I think you meant "except", not "accept".
Exception, or acceptance?

Not surrendered to Christ in faith? Don't be silly.

"... disregarding His written Laws"? Which ones?

Demanding my own way?
More like, demanding answers concerning the flawed doctrines of evangelicalism.
Evangelicalism and God are two different things. Ask any Catholic.

All he does is right?
Yes, but your claims about WHAT he does are bogus.

Faith in what? Evangelical doctrines?

Just because you had a bad experience with the established system does not give you the right to body slam the true Church of God.

There are some good Churches out there, and you have no right to throw them in the mix.

I agree that the apostate church rules society. but that does not give you an excuse before God.

I listen to you slam the Church on a constant basis and I'm sick if it!

Like God told Elijah, gird up your loins and be a man! Go find that Church God wants you in and stop crying about it!

 

[Patrick1966]

Luke 18:16-17 NIV
But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 17 Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”

Matthew 18:3
and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.


I believe that we will be transformed in order that we can become like children and enter Heaven.