Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

[WPM]

That was never in doubt. And I said that already. You claim that Jesus is exercising power, which is a different question altogether. When Jesus exercises power, this is something that can be seen, felt, and experienced.

This was important to John the Apostle, which is why the opening remarks of his first epistle begin with, "What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us— what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ. These things we write, so that our joy may be made complete."

If Jesus has dominion over all the earth, then we would see it, hear it, feel it, and touch it. However, we don't, because while his father has given him all authority, he has not yet exercised that authority.

Address these questions please.

1. Do you believe that Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)?
2. When are “angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him,” (1 Peter 3:22 says) now or in the age to come?
3. When was/does Christ become ruler over the kings of the earth, now only or also in the future (Revelation 1:5)?
4. When does Christ reign? After His enemies are subdued or until His enemies are subdued (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)?
5. 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 and Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet” and Hebrews 1:8 tells us that “thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet.” How could anyone therefore deny He is sovereignly reigning now over His enemies now? How could anyone then relate this fulfilment to an alleged future age after the second coming?
6. When did/does Christ become the ruler of God’s creation (Revelation 3:14)?
7. Do you belive that Jesus has spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it (the cross)" (Colossians 2:115)?
8. Do you believe that Christ currently “openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth" (Revelation 3:7)?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Address these questions please.

1. Do you believe that Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)?
2. When are “angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him,” (1 Peter 3:22 says) now or in the age to come?
3. When was/does Christ become ruler over the kings of the earth, now only or also in the future (Revelation 1:5)?
4. When does Christ reign? After His enemies are subdued or until His enemies are subdued (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)?
5. 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 and Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet” and Hebrews 1:8 tells us that “thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet.” How could anyone therefore deny He is sovereignly reigning now over His enemies now? How could anyone then relate this fulfilment to an alleged future age after the second coming?
6. When did/does Christ become the ruler of God’s creation (Revelation 3:14)?
7. Do you believe that Christ currently has “the keys (or authority) of hell and of death” (Revelation 1:18)?

You answer my question and I will answer yours.

 

[WPM]

You answer my question and I will answer yours.

What question have I not addressed?

This is brazen of you. I have addressed all your arguments in detail. I have asked you countless questions that you avoid.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Try harder. What does it matter?

LOL. What does it matter if you think or not? How can you understand anything if you don't think? LOL.

Prove it. Show me. If someone claims that the sun rises in the west, I can easily prove them wrong. The next morning when we wake up we face east to see the sun. Even a fourth grader can see that Jesus doesn't have dominion over the earth.

Is it too hard for you to address my comments? Do you believe that God exercised dominion over the earth in OT times, including in Noah's day?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You answer my question and I will answer yours.

You answer maybe 10% of all of our questions. Who do you think you're kidding here?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What question have I not addressed?

This is brazen of you. I have addressed all your arguments in detail. I have asked you countless questions that you avoid.

Absolutely unbelievable for him to complain about you not answering questions when he answers maybe 10% of our questions. This guy is just playing games.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you claim. But you can't show me. That is my challenge. You can't honestly say that all the leaders of the world have been put under the feet of Jesus. You can't do it.

Were all the leaders of the world under God's feet in Old Testament times?

Scripture says that God the Father put all things under Jesus's feet long ago (Ephesians 1:19-22, Hebrews 2:8), so why do you not accept that?

 

[CadyandZoe]

What question have I not addressed?

This is brazen of you. I have addressed all your arguments in detail. I have asked you countless questions that you avoid.

I asked you to show me where Jesus is currently exercising his dominion over the world. Don't give in to the temptation to project.

Let me ask it another way. The Psalmist says, "The Lord said to my Lord, sit here until I set your enemies under your feet." Who is David's "lord"? Jesus claims that he is David's Lord. But who is putting Jesus' enemies under his feet while he is sitting at the right hand of the Father? Who is exercising sovereignty over Jesus' enemies at the moment if not Jesus' Lord?

 

[WPM]

Absolutely unbelievable for him to complain about you not answering questions when he answers maybe 10% of our questions. This guy is just playing games.

Exactly! But he is exposing himself. His doctrine is in tatters. This is probably one of the most one-sided discussions that I have ever been in - and that is saying something. I have been in a lot of them.

I have presented multiple explicit Scriptures that show Christ is reigning over His enemies today and he avoids them like the plague. He cannot even address one single Scripture.

 

[WPM]

I asked you to show me where Jesus is currently exercising his dominion over the world. Don't give in to the temptation to project.

Let me ask it another way. The Psalmist says, "The Lord said to my Lord, sit here until I set your enemies under your feet." Who is David's "lord"? Jesus claims that he is David's Lord. But who is putting Jesus' enemies under his feet while he is sitting at the right hand of the Father? Who is exercising sovereignty over Jesus' enemies at the moment if not Jesus' Lord?

LOL. This is happening now. How many times do I need to say it? Your reading comprehension is as good as your theology. Start by reading the Scriptures and the commentary above one by one. This will help you. He is reigning on His Father's throne. His Father has given Him all authority in heaven and on earth. I have furnished you with multiple Scriptures that proves that.

Jesus promised the obedient Laodiceans of Asia Minor in Revelation 3:21, “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame [speaking of His victorious life, death and resurrection], and am [present tense] set down with my Father in his throne.”

Here you have it! This is a current ongoing reality. There is no getting away from this. From this passage we explicitly see:

1 Peter 3:22 says, that Christ, “who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God (now!!!); angels and authorities and powers being (currently!!!) made subject unto him.”

Because in Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” He now is “the head of all principality and power" (Col 2:9-10).

You see, “by him all things consist” – that is “all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers” (Col 1:16-17).

Without a doubt, Christ is reigning over His enemies since the resurrection, waiting for their final predetermined put down.

Now:

1. Do you believe that Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)?
2. When are “angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him,” (1 Peter 3:22 says) now or in the age to come?
3. When was/does Christ become ruler over the kings of the earth, now only or also in the future (Revelation 1:5)?
4. When does Christ reign? After His enemies are subdued or until His enemies are subdued (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)?
5. 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 and Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet” and Hebrews 1:8 tells us that “thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet.” How could anyone therefore deny He is sovereignly reigning now over His enemies now? How could anyone then relate this fulfilment to an alleged future age after the second coming?
6. When did/does Christ become the ruler of God’s creation (Revelation 3:14)?
7. Do you believe that Christ currently has “the keys (or authority) of hell and of death” (Revelation 1:18)?

 

[Marilyn C]

Was John referring to them?

No, however many people of Israel in the past and into the future will turn to God.

 

[Marilyn C]

Yes, He has. Open the NT and you will see the fulfillment of that.

Paul confirms:

1 Corinthians 15:25-26: “For he must reign (present, active infinitive), till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.”

Here he shows that Christ is reigning now. It is written in the present, active infinitive sense. How long does he reign? He confirms: “till he hath put all enemies under his feet.” Again, this couldn’t be clearer! Every last enemy will be subjugated and subdued at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. The last enemy is identified as death!

There you have it! The second coming sees the final subjugation of all:

· rule
· authority
· power
· death

Paul then reinforces this thought:

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 “For ‘he hath put’ (aorist active indicative) (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to) all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to) him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to) all things under him. And when all things shall be (hupotasso) subdued (or subordinated or submitted to) unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to), that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”

Paul, again, repeats the great truth that God “hath put all things under his feet” as He reigns in majestic glory upon high. The reign described here is aorist active indicative, meaning it is ongoing. He also shows, whilst Christ is reigning over His enemies as Lord and God, they will NOT be made His footstool, subdued and put down until the second coming.

The whole focus here is the current reign of Christ upon the heavenly throne that will culminate in the final downfall of all his enemies when he appears. Then we'll his enemies finally be subdued, put down, and made his footstool.

Hebrews 1:2, 3, 2:9 says, “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things … Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high … Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him.”

There it is! He is the supreme power. He is the government. He carries all authority. Whilst new enemies are being born every day, while new wicked regimes continually arise, Christ determines what He allows and what He doesn't. There is nothing that is not under Him. The world is NOT out of control. God has a plan and that plan will be fulfilled, when God sees fit.

1 Peter 3:22 says, that Christ, “who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God (now!!!); angels and authorities and powers being (currently!!!) made subject unto him.”

Without a doubt Christ is reigning over His enemies since the resurrection, waiting for their final predetermined put down. Those who question Christ’s current reign do great assault upon the truth of God’s Word and undermine the current sovereign kingly position that He now assuredly holds. They also circumvent clear New Testament writings that teach Christ is reigning now.

Yes, He has. Open the NT and you will see the fulfillment of that.

Paul confirms:

1 Corinthians 15:25-26: “For he must reign (present, active infinitive), till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.”

Here he shows that Christ is reigning now. It is written in the present, active infinitive sense. How long does he reign? He confirms: “till he hath put all enemies under his feet.” Again, this couldn’t be clearer! Every last enemy will be subjugated and subdued at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. The last enemy is identified as death!

There you have it! The second coming sees the final subjugation of all:

· rule
· authority
· power
· death

Paul then reinforces this thought:

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 “For ‘he hath put’ (aorist active indicative) (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to) all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to) him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to) all things under him. And when all things shall be (hupotasso) subdued (or subordinated or submitted to) unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to), that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”

Paul, again, repeats the great truth that God “hath put all things under his feet” as He reigns in majestic glory upon high. The reign described here is aorist active indicative, meaning it is ongoing. He also shows, whilst Christ is reigning over His enemies as Lord and God, they will NOT be made His footstool, subdued and put down until the second coming.

The whole focus here is the current reign of Christ upon the heavenly throne that will culminate in the final downfall of all his enemies when he appears. Then we'll his enemies finally be subdued, put down, and made his footstool.

Hebrews 1:2, 3, 2:9 says, “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things … Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high … Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him.”

There it is! He is the supreme power. He is the government. He carries all authority. Whilst new enemies are being born every day, while new wicked regimes continually arise, Christ determines what He allows and what He doesn't. There is nothing that is not under Him. The world is NOT out of control. God has a plan and that plan will be fulfilled, when God sees fit.

1 Peter 3:22 says, that Christ, “who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God (now!!!); angels and authorities and powers being (currently!!!) made subject unto him.”

Without a doubt Christ is reigning over His enemies since the resurrection, waiting for their final predetermined put down. Those who question Christ’s current reign do great assault upon the truth of God’s Word and undermine the current sovereign kingly position that He now assuredly holds. They also circumvent clear New Testament writings that teach Christ is reigning now.

`For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each in his own order. Christ, the first-fruits, afterwards those who are Christ`s at His coming,.....` (1 Cor. 15: 22 & 23)

You see those events precede the reigning judgments of Christ because we read the word THEN....

`THEN comes the end....` meaning a setting out to a goal, (Greek). And in that time the Lord puts down all rule, authority and power.

 

[Marilyn C]

What do you mean God-fearing? Are you talking about being redeemed? Are you talking about those who are saved?

They were `saved` because they believed what God promised them. (Heb. 11: 13)

They did not know to recite `letting Jesus into their hearts.`

 

[Marilyn C]

LOL. This is happening. How many times do I need to say it? Your reading comprehension is as good as your theology. Start by reading the Scriptures and the commentary above one by one. This will help you. He is reigning on His Father's throne. His Father has given Him all authority in heaven and on earth. I have furnished you with multiple Scriptures that proves that.

1 Peter 3:22 says, that Christ, “who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God (now!!!); angels and authorities and powers being (currently!!!) made subject unto him.”

Because in Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” He now is “the head of all principality and power" (Col 2:9-10).

You see, “by him all things consist” – that is “all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers” (Col 1:16-17).

Without a doubt, Christ is reigning over His enemies since the resurrection, waiting for their final predetermined put down.

Now:

1. Do you believe that Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)?
2. When are “angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him,” (1 Peter 3:22 says) now or in the age to come?
3. When was/does Christ become ruler over the kings of the earth, now only or also in the future (Revelation 1:5)?
4. When does Christ reign? After His enemies are subdued or until His enemies are subdued (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)?
5. 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 and Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet” and Hebrews 1:8 tells us that “thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet.” How could anyone therefore deny He is sovereignly reigning now over His enemies now? How could anyone then relate this fulfilment to an alleged future age after the second coming?
6. When did/does Christ become the ruler of God’s creation (Revelation 3:14)?
7. Do you believe that Christ currently has “the keys (or authority) of hell and of death” (Revelation 1:18)?

So, when does God`s word say that King Jesus rules over His enemies?

`The LORD (Father) says to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand TILL I make your enemies your footstool.`

The LORD (Father) shall send the rod of your strength out of Zion. Rule in the midst of your enemies!` (Ps. 110: 1 & 2)

Has the Father brought the Lord`s enemies to His footstool yet?

 

[covenantee]

No, however many people of Israel in the past and into the future will turn to God.

If they don't turn to the Son, it will be to no avail.

And many will not. Only a remnant will be saved. Isaiah 10:22; Romans 9:27.

 

[Marilyn C]

If they don't turn to the Son, it will be to no avail.

Yes, the 2 Witnesses will be testifying of Jesus the Messiah, and in the millennium, people will go up to Jerusalem to learn the ways of the LORD God. (Micah 4: 1 - 4)

 

[covenantee]

Yes, the 2 Witnesses will be testifying of Jesus the Messiah, and in the millennium, people will go up to Jerusalem to learn the ways of the LORD God. (Micah 4: 1 - 4)

So those who haven't accepted Christ before the millennium will get a second chance in the millennium?

 

[Marilyn C]

So those who haven't accepted Christ before the millennium will get a second chance in the millennium?

You don`t get `second chances` however, as long as a person is alive they can turn to God. If they know of Jesus then they need to turn to Him.

 

[covenantee]

You don`t get `second chances` however, as long as a person is alive they can turn to God. If they know of Jesus then they need to turn to Him.

But if they procrastinate and survive to the millennium, they'll get a second chance.

Only the unsaved enter the millennium. The Church has been previously raptured (in dispen mythology).

 

[WPM]

`For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each in his own order. Christ, the first-fruits, afterwards those who are Christ`s at His coming,.....` (1 Cor. 15: 22 & 23)

You see those events precede the reigning judgments of Christ because we read the word THEN....

`THEN comes the end....` meaning a setting out to a goal, (Greek). And in that time the Lord puts down all rule, authority and power.

No. Not setting out a goal. Setting out a reality! Hello! You are wrongly dividing the Word of God. You are trying to twist Scripture to fit your doctrine. Dispies do that all the time. That is because they have nothing to support their views. You are always adding unto Scripture.

1 Corinthians 15:12-14, 21-24, “how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain…But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming. THEN COMETH THE END, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.”

Here we see Christ’s coming confirmed as “the end.” The conclusiveness of the reading is undoubted, in that it is the occasion that Christ finally presents “up the kingdom to God” and “shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.” It is expressly “the end” for every enemy and the termination of every effort from the devil’s kingdom to thwart the plan of God. Therefore, this all-consummating last day ushers in the end (or completion) of all things.