Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

[CadyandZoe]

You talk some nonsense. The king has already introduced His kingdom to planet earth. Wherever you find the king, you find the kingdom.

When Jesus began his ministry, he preached, "Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand." When something is "at hand" it isn't yet in effect. When something is “at hand,” it means it’s near or imminent but hasn’t fully come to pass yet. It carries a sense of urgency or preparation—something requiring attention because it’s approaching quickly.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The Messianic kingdom is here now. Can I remind you that the Messiah came as king with His kingdom a long time ago?

Jesus said that he was going away to a far country to receive a kingdom. Logically, this impies that he didn't have that kingdom when he spoke those words. This aligns with the broader biblical theme that Jesus’ kingship was inaugurated but not yet fully realized. While He was recognized as the Messiah, His ultimate reign would be established after His resurrection and ascension. The parable reflects the idea that Jesus would depart (ascend to heaven), receive authority, and then return to rule.

He doesn't rule until he returns.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Colossians 1:12-14 tells us that God “Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.”

Entry into the kingdom of God is through faith in Christ and His shed blood at Calvary.

Not only this, but entry into the Kingdom of his son is through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Logically then, Paul is not talking about the kingdom that Jesus will receive when he goes to heaven. The Kingdom of his Son was already in effect before Jesus left. In Colossians 1:13, Paul states that believers have already been transferred into the kingdom of Christ, indicating that this kingdom was already in effect before Jesus’ ascension. This suggests that Paul is not referring to a future kingdom that Jesus would receive upon going to heaven, but rather to a present reality—one that was already established.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The word “kingdom” means king with a domain. You do not have a king without a kingdom. You do not have a kingdom without a king (or queen). Basically, where you have the king, you have the kingdom, or, were you have the kingdom, you have the king.

That is not necessarily true. Jesus was the king of Israel, (John 1:49) but he never ruled as king. (Philippians 2:7)

The Father granted Jesus a kingdom while he was on Earth the first time, but he had not yet begun to rule. He spoke of his rule in the future tense.

Luke 22:29 and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you 30 that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.​

Jesus was granted a kingdom but he didn't live like a king and he spoke about his rule in the future tense.

 

[CadyandZoe]

• Jesus is king now.

Of course, but he has not yet begun to rule on Earth among his enemies.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You talk such gibberish. Talk about confusion!

Easy to say, hard to prove.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Christ rules as God over all creation.

Again, we don't see it at all.

You must reject that because you deny the deity of Christ.

No, I reject it because you have no empirical evidence to support your contention.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Nonsense. You can't support your view with scripture, so you have to resort to this pointless gibberish instead. The scriptures very clearly teach that Jesus is God and man at the same time, as WPM and I have shown, and you have done NOTHING to refute any of our arguments. Nothing at all. You won't even answer simple questions. Give up the charade already. You are dismissing mountains of scriptural evidence that are against your false beliefs and everyone can see that.

Just because you refuse to listen to my explanation, it isn't necessarily the case that I haven't proven my view with scripture.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I never knew that Clark Kent walked on water, healed the sick (even while not even present with them), raised the dead, took five loaves and two fishes and miraculously multiplied them so that they fed thousands ..

I never knew that superman claimed that what he was doing was his father who is a spirit doing his works by him, claimed that every word he speaks is the word of his father and those words are Spirit and life.

But I also never thought that someone could have so little respect for God and Jesus the Son of God that he would compare His real works to the imaginary super abilities of a cartoon character.

I don't think I compared Jesus to Clark Kent. I distinctly remember saying that Jesus WASN'T Clark Kent.

 

[WPM]

The idea that he can be both at the same time is nonsensical.

Only to an unenlightened heretic.

 

[CadyandZoe]

How many people are you? Is your body 1 person and your soul another person and your spirit another person?​

The Trinity doctrine isn't teaching that God has three parts. The Trinity Doctrine teaches that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one "ousia." In short, one being with three distinct wills.

Why do you believe your human reasoning is able to disprove the Trinity?

Why would I do otherwise? The Trinity was conceived using human reasoning, and therefore, it must be challenged using human reasoning.

Why don't you just accept what the Bible says and allow the Spirit of God who is the Spirit of the Father and of the Son to help you to understand?

Who says that I am not accepting what the Bible says? The Bible doesn't teach the Trinity Doctrine. There is nothing in the Bible that even suggests that a single being can have three distinct wills. That concept was borrowed from Greek Philosophy in order to deal with a set of Greek philosophical assumptions that we no longer accept as valid.

We no longer believe, for instance, that matter and physicality are necessarily evil. But Christians living during the third and fourth centuries believed that matter was evil. And by human reasoning, if you will, they decided that Jesus couldn't be made of matter because that would mean that he had an evil nature.

We no longer think in those categories and draw conclusions based on Greek dualism. We no longer believe that the physical world is imperfect. We no longer believe that the spirit is good and the flesh is evil.

Therefore, since we no longer accept Greek dualism as a valid explanation for reality, we have no reason to think in terms described in the creeds. We are free to understand the Bible on its own terms, not mixing human philosophy with it.

 

[WPM]

Jesus didn't create the heavens and the earth.

May God have mercy upon your never die soul. This is heresy!

Yahweh is identified as the Creator of this World. However, the New Testament repeatedly demonstrates that Jesus Christ is the Creator. The only way that Yahweh could have done these things “alone” or ‘by Himself’ is if Jesus is Yahweh.

The New Testament narrative, in John 1:1-5, says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.”

Verse 10-14 continues, “He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

This passage shows, in unmistakable language, that “the Word” is Christ. It reveals the King of Glory in all His marvellous provision, purpose and power. The reading outlines His eternal pre-existence, powerfully revealing Him as the eternal Son of God; “The same was in the beginning with God” (v 2). Whilst, Christ was man of very man, He was also God of very God. Verse 1 succinctly says, “the Word was God.” Therefore, as the second person of the Trinity, He was the eternal Creator of this world.” Verse 10 tells us, “the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”

I Corinthians 8:6 says: “there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”

This is a common trait performed by the cults when engaging with them. They change the original words to mean the opposite to what they are. They butcher the original language. The Greek word dia is actually a primary preposition denoting: "the channel of an act" (Strong's). Jesus was the channel whom the Father worked through. He was the Creator. How do you sleep at night knowing you are going to have to face Jesus some day and account for twisting the Word of God and deceiving people?

The Bible acknowledges Jesus as the Word, the Creator.

Ephesians 3:9 tells us: “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.”

Colossians 1:13-17 says: “Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”

This passage, which is speaking of Jesus, tells us that “all things were created by him, and for him” which would clearly make Him God.

Hebrews 1:2 &10 says, “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom (or dia hos) also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high … And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.”

Firstly, as Strong’s correctly explains: the word dia (which is rightly interpreted “by” here) is “a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act.” In the case we are looking at it tells us that it was through the channel or agency of the “Son” that God “made the worlds.” This is clear and simple for those that don’t need to reinterpret it. The word hos (rendered “whom”) is simply “the relatively (sometimes demonstrative) pronoun, who, which, what, that.” There is absolutely no ground to negate the meaning of the commonly used Greek words. They show what repeated Scripture tells us that Jesus is God/Creator.

These verses show the pre-existence of Christ the Son of God the Creator.

This is the only time in the Bible that this word is found.

The phrase “express image” derives from the lone Greek word charakter which means what it says: “character.” Christ is “the brightness of” God’s “glory” and the “charakter of his person.” Christ is the physical manifestation or representation of the invisible God. He is indeed the “express image” of Almighty God. Jesus is God. God physically is expressed in the person of Christ.

Hebrews 2:9-10 declares: “we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.”

Revelation 3:14 declares: “And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.”

The designation “faithful and true” belongs to Christ. We see that in the depiction of the Second Coming in Revelation 19:11: “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.”

Revelation 4:10-11 declares: “The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.”

 

[CadyandZoe]

Only to an unenlightened heretic.

Well, I already admitted to being a heretic in some respect. You know that I challenge Christian orthodoxy when it was the product of syncretic development. Christianity has historically incorporated elements from other religious traditions through syncretism, blending beliefs and practices. Here are a few examples: Christmas and Pagan Festivals, Neoplatonism, and Manichaeanism.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yahweh is identified as the Creator of this World.

Right. So either Yahweh created the world or Jesus did. Which is it?

However, the New Testament repeatedly demonstrates that Jesus Christ is the Creator.

We see no evidence from the New Testament that Jesus created the world.

The only way that Yahweh could have done these things “alone” or ‘by Himself’ is if Jesus is Yahweh.

Sameness can take different forms. For instance, two things can be identically the same, qualitatively the same, numerically the same, functionally the same, and conceptually the same. Jesus is not identical to Yahweh. Jesus voluntarily obeys the will of his Father. Jesus and Yahweh aren't qualitatively the same, because Jesus walks, learns, eats, and dies.

According to the New Testament, Jesus is the same as Yahweh to the degree that he is representatively the same as Yahweh. Jesus tells Philip, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." John says that Jesus is the Father's exegesis, and Paul says that Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God, and a perfect representation of his Glory.

The New Testament defines another kind of sameness: representationally the same.

The New Testament teaches us that Jesus has representational identity with Yahweh.

This passage shows, in unmistakable language, that “the Word” is Christ.

To be accurate, John declares that the Word became flesh, speaking about Jesus. The Word, which is God, created the world according to John.

I Corinthians 8:6 says: “there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”

Notice how Paul maintains the distinction between God, the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ? And a proper translation would read, "the Lord Jesus Christ FOR whom are all things." God the Father made all things for his Son Jesus Christ.

 

[WPM]

Right. So either Yahweh created the world or Jesus did. Which is it?

We see no evidence from the New Testament that Jesus created the world.

Sameness can take different forms. For instance, two things can be identically the same, qualitatively the same, numerically the same, functionally the same, and conceptually the same. Jesus is not identical to Yahweh. Jesus voluntarily obeys the will of his Father. Jesus and Yahweh aren't qualitatively the same, because Jesus walks, learns, eats, and dies.

According to the New Testament, Jesus is the same as Yahweh to the degree that he is representatively the same as Yahweh. Jesus tells Philip, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." John says that Jesus is the Father's exegesis, and Paul says that Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God, and a perfect representation of his Glory.

The New Testament defines another kind of sameness: representationally the same.

The New Testament teaches us that Jesus has representational identity with Yahweh.

To be accurate, John declares that the Word became flesh, speaking about Jesus. The Word, which is God, created the world according to John.

Notice how Paul maintains the distinction between God, the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ? And a proper translation would read, "the Lord Jesus Christ FOR whom are all things." God the Father made all things for his Son Jesus Christ.

I just showed you the evidence. You either duck around it or attempt to explain it away talk. That sums up your consistent approach to God's Word! You are a heretic. You should be banned from this forum. We give you credibility even engaging with you, as if your thoughts are legitimate.

Jesus is not an "abstract concept." He is a person. He is divine. He is the Word. Hello! The Word was made flesh. Hello! And the Word was God. Hello! You cannot deal with that. It totally demolishes your heresy and blasphemy.

Jesus is Yahweh.

Hebrews 1:2 &10 says, “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom (or dia hos) also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high … And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.”

The phrase “express image” derives from the lone Greek word charakter which means what it says: “character.” Christ is “the brightness of” God’s “glory” and the “charakter of his person.” Christ is the physical manifestation or representation of the invisible God. He is indeed the “express image” of Almighty God. Jesus is God. God physically is expressed in the person of Christ.

John 1:1, 2&14 says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God … And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

Here we see that the Word (Christ) was “made flesh.” The Son of God became a man. He took on human flesh to identify with man and live the life he couldn’t live. Whilst the Word existed “in the beginning with God” it was manifested physically in the person of Jesus Christ.

 

[WPM]

Of course, but he has not yet begun to rule on Earth among his enemies.

Where in Revelation 20 does it say that He will "rule on Earth among His enemies"? Again, you explain the way biblical fundamentals with your extra-biblical logical imaginations.

 

[WPM]

That is not necessarily true. Jesus was the king of Israel, (John 1:49) but he never ruled as king. (Philippians 2:7)

You are so selective in your referencing of Scripture, twisting every text to support your heresy. This text clearly shows that He is God. It shows that Christ reigns sovereignly.

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Everything is under His feet. He reigns over everything and everyone today.

The Father granted Jesus a kingdom while he was on Earth the first time, but he had not yet begun to rule. He spoke of his rule in the future tense.

Luke 22:29 and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you 30 that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.​

Jesus was granted a kingdom but he didn't live like a king and he spoke about his rule in the future tense.

You are playing with words to support your error. He came as king, He was granted a kingdom, He has been populating that kingdom for 2000 years, He ascended to His throne, and reigns as both man and God, He will hand up that same kingdom to His Father when He returns.

 

[WPM]

Not only this, but entry into the Kingdom of his son is through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Logically then, Paul is not talking about the kingdom that Jesus will receive when he goes to heaven. The Kingdom of his Son was already in effect before Jesus left. In Colossians 1:13, Paul states that believers have already been transferred into the kingdom of Christ, indicating that this kingdom was already in effect before Jesus’ ascension. This suggests that Paul is not referring to a future kingdom that Jesus would receive upon going to heaven, but rather to a present reality—one that was already established.

Why can you not let the Scripture speak for itself? All because you have your own preconceived manmade heresy that you must force on the sacred text. That's not the way you study Scripture. No wonder you are an unapologetic heretic.

There is only one kingdom. Christ reigns over this one kingdom now. This is the same one He receives when He returns and hands up to His Father. Why would it not?

Jesus said in Luke 19:12-27: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.”

The reference in this parable to the “nobleman” who “went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return” clearly relates to the Lord Jesus Christ and His ascension into heaven. In verse 12 it affirms, that He is going “to return” and in verse 13 we see the instruction, “Occupy till I come.” We are not here to play defense, we are here to play offense. We are here to invade the darkness with the glorious light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is the only true King. Whether men acknowledge, submit to that, and willingly let Jesus rule over them does not negate the fact that He is king. Righteous servants embrace the king’s current reign. Wicked servants reject the king’s current reign.

The reference in this parable to the “nobleman” who “went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return” clearly relates to the Lord Jesus Christ and His ascension into heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 tells us: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at His coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.”

The kingdom will then be delivered up by Christ, His people having been freshly glorified, to the Father. They will shine as the sun in God’s glory.

The kingdom must already be here for Him to receive it when He comes. Read the text instead of what you have been wrongly taught.

What is more: “all rule and all authority and power” are “put down” at “Christ’s … coming.” It is that simple, and that clear. There is no mention or suggestion of some imaginary future millennium after the second coming. This text forbids that. Those who take a clear, objective and literal straightforward reading of this text will see that it spells the end of all rebellion. However, this is the opposite to the Premil millennium: which has more wicked and more enemies arising and culminates in the greatest uprising in human history – as the wicked, against the saints of God “as the sand of the sea.”

 

[WPM]

Jesus said that he was going away to a far country to receive a kingdom. Logically, this impies that he didn't have that kingdom when he spoke those words. This aligns with the broader biblical theme that Jesus’ kingship was inaugurated but not yet fully realized. While He was recognized as the Messiah, His ultimate reign would be established after His resurrection and ascension. The parable reflects the idea that Jesus would depart (ascend to heaven), receive authority, and then return to rule.

He doesn't rule until he returns.

This is theological doublespeak. You're clearly trying to justify the unjustifiable. Jesus' kingship and kingdom were indeed inaugurated and established on earth at the beginning of His earthly ministry. He possessed kingdom authority and power on earth over the seen and unseen realms. Demons, men and nature were subject to His Word. That is plain to see during His earthly mission. His sovereign reign and heavenly coronation began after His resurrection and ascension. From there He rules over His new creation and all creation. There is nothing that is not under His feet.

Ephesians 1:19-23 speaks of: “the exceeding greatness [Gr. megethos or magnificence] of his power to usward who believe, according to the working of his ‘mighty power’ [Gr. kratos ischus or great dominion force and ability], Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.”

Christ reigns in majesty and glory at the right hand of majesty today over His enemies. He has already defeated all His enemies. He is king over the kings and kingdoms of the earth. He is Lord and reigns over all principalities and powers, rulers of darkness, and spiritual wickedness in high places. He exercises sovereign kingly power over all His enemies until He makes them His footstool. There is nothing that is not under his feet. Jesus Christ is indeed Lord!

This passage confirms the absolute authority that Christ now enjoys and reveals the unlimited scope of His current rule. It explicitly illustrates the current sovereign reign of Christ over all His enemies from the “right hand” of majesty on high.

Philippians 2:9 says, “wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name.”

He reigns today over the seen and the unseen world making every power and every authority “subject unto him.”

1 Peter 3:22 says, that Christ, “who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God (now!!!); angels and authorities and powers being (currently!!!) made subject unto him.”

Those who question Christ’s current reign do great assault upon the truth of God’s Word and undermine the current sovereign kingly position that He now assuredly holds.

Heaven’s authority is bestowed upon Christ. He is God! Colossians 2:9-10, 14-15 confirms: "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power … Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”

He is risen and He is reigning! He is ruling over everything! This is happening right now! Check out the actual original text and check out the tenses involved. Christ’s universal rule, which is found in His divine character, exercises supreme authority over everything and everyone that exists. This dominion is seen in His sovereign dealing with mankind, whether it is with an individual person or with accumulation of nations – all are subject to his controlling power and ultimate influence. Such authority could be justly described as Christ’s providential kingship.

Colossians 1:15-17 addresses the great sovereign reign of Christ over all creation. Stating, Christ, “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”

This is completely comprehensive. Christ is shown to be the ruler of all dominion and power. He is a sovereign God today. Satan is submitted to His authority. Christ is king over all the earth. Can I remind you He reigns over His enemies now as sovereign king? With the Premillennial reasoning they divest Christ of His rightful power.

These passages couldn’t be stronger in outlining where supreme authority lies today. Christ sovereignly reigns in kingly power over all creation.

 

[Zao is life]

The Trinity doctrine isn't teaching that God has three parts. The Trinity Doctrine teaches that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one "ousia." In short, one being with three distinct wills.

Why would I do otherwise? The Trinity was conceived using human reasoning, and therefore, it must be challenged using human reasoning.

Forget about what words the church's theological geniuses use to describe God's revelation of Himself in scripture, and about dualistic-inspired concoctions of the teaching of Jesus and His apostles mixed with Greek philosophy.

Frorget about ALL that and concentrate only on scripture - ONLY on scripture - because that is where you will find God's revelation of Himself.

God, the Father is who Jesus taught us to ask for understanding about this and anything else - asking in the name of Jesus Christ - and He (Jesus) told us that He would ask God, the Father to send us the Holy Spirit to help us to understand things that can only be spiritually understood.

Paul taught: "There is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we IN HIM; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we BY him." (1 Corinthians 8:6).

1. There is only one source of all life: God. He is spiritually alive: "In Him (God) we live | are alive, and move, and have our being; For we are also his offspring." (Acts 17:28).

Life exists IN God and only because God exists. Without the existence of God there is no life. He alone possesses life in Himself.

But what did John write?
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"The Logos ("Word") of God was in the beginning with God. IN HIM WAS LIFE [zōḗ], and the life [zōḗ] is the light of men." (John 1:2 & 4).

Okay so, if you believe what the apostles of Jesus wrote, then you must believe that the source of all life is in God the Father alone, and you must believe that that life is in the Word of God.

But Jesus ALSO SAID, "For as the Father hath life [zōḗ] in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life [zōḗ] in himself." (John 5:26).

Only God possesses life in Himself. He is the source of all life.

So who is Jesus, whom Jesus called "the Son"?

"And the Logos became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we (John the apostle and his companions) beheld his glory (the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.)" (John 1:14).

So is life in God the Father? Or in the Logos? Or in the Son?

Who posseses life in Himself?

Psalm 33:6 tells us this: "By the word of YHVH were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath (Hebrew: ruach, i.e Spirit) of His mouth."

Paul tells us this: "For all things were created by Him, the things in the heavens, and the things on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist."(Colossians 1:16-17).

In other words,

* The Word of God which created all things bears witness to the Almighty God (the Father) who created all things by Him.
* The creation bears witness to the Word of God which created it.
* The Holy Spirit of God bears witness to God (the Father) and the Word of God. (1 John 5:10).

But Paul ALSO taught: "There is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we IN HIM; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we BY him." (1 Corinthians 8:6).

The Greek word Logos (Strong's Greek Dictionary # G03056) means:

(a) something said (including the thought); by implication a topic (subject of discourse); and
(b) reasoning (the mental faculty); and
(c) motive; by extension a computation and
(d) specifically (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (that is Christ):

The wisdom of God is a characteristic of Logos / The Word of God, and Solomon, giving wisdom a persona, wrote:

"The LORD possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was anointed from everlasting, from the beginning, before the earth ever was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no springs heavy with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I travailed; before He had made the earth, or the fields or the highest part of the dust of the world.

And now listen to Me, O sons; for blessed are those who keep My ways. Hear instruction, and be wise, and do not refuse it. Blessed is the man who hears Me, watching daily at My gates, waiting at the posts of My doors. For whoever finds Me finds life, and shall obtain favour from the LORD. But he who sins against Me wrongs his own soul; all who hate Me love death." (Proverbs 8:22-36).

Jesus later told us that He is in the Father and would be in us and we would be in Him, also saying that HE is the Way and the Truth and THE LIFE and that no one comes to God, the Father, except through Him.

Quite an assertion for a man to make about himself, if He were not God, the Son.

Ignatius lived A.D 30 -107. He was born in the same year (or 3 years earlier, depending on what you believe) that Jesus was crucifed.

Ignatius wrote:

"There is but one unbegotten Being, God, even the Father; and one only-begotten Son, God, the Word and man; and one Comforter, the Spirit of truth; and also one preaching, and one faith, and one baptism." ("The Epistle of Ignatius to the Philadelphians", Chapter IV).

Where did he get it from?
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There are so many passages written in scripture talking about God as the Word, about God as the Father, and about God as the Holy Spirit. But a distinction is always made between God, the Father; and God, the Holy Spirit; and God, the Word / Son.

These days, and for a long long time, the church's theological geniuses call this "The "Trinity". So what? I do not agree with the reasoning behind your arguing against what scripture is saying.