Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

[WPM]

I understood this the first time you said it. And I pointed out the flaw in your argument. Since Jesus is currently ruling on earth in the hearts of his people, he is not ruling over all creation.

I disagree. Jesus is limited by his humanity, which is why he needed to go away to a far country to receive a kingdom. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat a false idea, it never becomes true.

There is absolutely no limitation upon the authority and power and kingship of Jesus Christ. It is only in your head. Today, He is king over all, having fulfilled His earthly ministry, died an atoning death, defeated the grave, and ascended to the right hand of majesty on high, reigning over all creation (including His enemies) today as the God-man. I have showed you multiple Scripture that expose your heresy of denying the deity of Christ. You have nothing to say in response apart from repeat your heretical opinions. You go where even most Premils will not go, and that is saying something.

I think you think if you keep repeating an error it will somehow become a fact. That is not the way it works.

 

[WPM]

Jesus is limited by his humanity, which is why he needed to go away to a far country to receive a kingdom. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat a false idea, it never becomes true.

You talk some nonsense. The king has already introduced His kingdom to planet earth. Wherever you find the king, you find the kingdom. Christ ushered in the kingdom of God when He came. Jesus said in Matthew 11:12, “from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth (biazo) violence, and the (biastes) violent take it by force.”

Jesus said, in Luke 16:16, “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man (biazo) presseth into it.”

We should immediately note: for men to be able to press into the kingdom and for it to suffer violence it must already exist. The Greek word biazo here means to force, to crowd oneself into, or to seize. The kingdom of God is shown here to be a present reality that the righteous enter upon salvation. This has been the case since John the Baptist. The spiritual kingdom Christ brought was very-much alive and active from the beginning of Christ’s earthly ministry.

Sadly, the overwhelming majority of Jews missed their promised Messiah when He came. He just didn’t fit their expectation of who and what the Messiah was to be. Also, they had an erroneous political racial perception of what the kingdom was. They had a carnal earthly view of Messiah and His kingdom. They believed that the first thing He would do was subjugate all national Israel’s enemies, starting with the Romans. When Christ appeared at His first advent, the Jews imagined He would reinstate the now defunct earthly throne of Israel and reign victorious over the physical nation, restoring their ancient borders. The only problem was: they had a defective hyper-literalist understanding of Old Testament prophesies and a misconception of how the kingdom would look.

Matthew 3:1-2 records, “In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (or eengiken or ‘is made near’ or ‘approaches’).”

Matthew 4:12, 17 records, “when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee…From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (or eengiken).”

Mark 1:14-15 records, “Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand (or eengiken).”

Jesus told the disciples as the kingdom advances, “And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand (or eengiken)” (Matthew 10:7).

The kingdom of God exists wherever the king – the Lord Jesus Christ – exercises His spiritual jurisdiction. His kingdom embodies all those who possess the indwelling Holy Spirit – those who are born-again of the Spirit of God. Christ’s kingdom is therefore found wherever there are citizens of that Kingdom.

 

[WPM]

Jesus is limited by his humanity, which is why he needed to go away to a far country to receive a kingdom. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat a false idea, it never becomes true.

The Messianic kingdom is here now. Can I remind you that the Messiah came as king with His kingdom a long time ago? Just because you reject that does not in any way negate it. Your theology causes you to dismiss it. Like the Pharisees, you fail to see the eschatological nature of His First Advent and the kingdom of God. That is the very reason why the Pharisees nailed Him to a tree. When Christ appeared at His first advent, the Jews imagined He would reinstate the now defunct earthly throne of Israel and reign victorious over the physical nation, restoring their ancient borders. The Jewish expectation was a literal visible territorial kingdom of which the Messiah the King would rule over. They believed He would immediately destroy every enemy that withstood the house of Israel and usher in a period of physical and spiritual bliss for Israel.

When someone gets saved they enter into the kingdom of God, which is a spiritual kingdom and incorporates the whole domain over-which the Lord Jesus Christ exercises spiritual control. This kingship refers to the whole realm in which the rule of man becomes the rule of God; it is the area where the law of God and of righteousness are pre-eminent.

Jesus said in Luke 17:21: “The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”

His kingdom embodies all those who possess the indwelling Holy Spirit – those who are real believers. Christ’s kingdom is therefore found wherever there are citizens of that kingdom.

The Lord revealed in this passage that the kingdom of God – His kingdom – was not a literal earthly domain neither could it be viewed like other kingdoms with their outward splendor, impressive power and magnitude. It is, rather, a spiritual kingdom, which can only be spiritually entered.

Jesus said in John 18:36, “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”

Christ couldn’t have made it clearer. This expectation – of a literal visible territorial political kingdom – was wrong. It exposed the ignorance which controlled the Jews. They had a defective perception of the nature of God’s kingdom and the manner in which it would appear.

The kingdom of God that Christ introduced was of a spiritual nature. This absolutely confounded the Pharisees and their misguided earthly carnal concept of the Messianic kingdom.

Colossians 1:18 says, “And he (Christ) is the head of the body, the church.”

That means if you have given Christ kingship of your life then you are in the kingdom of God and the kingdom of God is in you!

Have you invited king Jesus into your heart? Then the kingdom of God is within you.

Jesus said in Matthew 6:33: “seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.”

As an American citizen you owe your allegiance to the American flag. But there is a higher allegiance. That is to Christ, because He is your King. The kingdom of God overrides every earthly kingdom. You are a Christian 1st, and an American 2nd.

When someone gets saved they enter into the kingdom of God, which is a spiritual kingdom and incorporates the whole domain over-which the Lord Jesus Christ exercises spiritual control. This kingship refers to the whole realm in which the rule of man becomes the rule of God; it is the area where the law of God and of righteousness are pre-eminent.

In John 3:3 Jesus declared: “Except a man be born again (or born from above), he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

We experience the kingdom of God through supernatural birth from above whereby we are supernaturally changed from a child of darkness to a child of God. Be assured, we cannot change ourselves. It must be a new birth.

Jesus continues in John 3:5, “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

One can only “see” and “enter” the kingdom of God by grace through faith. None of us can earn it. None of us deserve it. Before you pat yourself on the back, remember even faith is a gift from God.

 

[WPM]

Jesus is limited by his humanity, which is why he needed to go away to a far country to receive a kingdom. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat a false idea, it never becomes true.

Colossians 1:12-14 tells us that God “Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.”

There are two spiritual kingdoms on this earth in constant conflict – the kingdom of darkness and the kingdom of God. Every human being resides in one kingdom or the other.

Entry into the kingdom of God is through faith in Christ and His shed blood at Calvary. When you got saved you were delivered from one kingdom to another: from darkness to light, from the devil to God, from defeat to victory.

Paul similarly states in 1 Thessalonians 2:10-12: “Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe: As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children, That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called (kaleo -present, active, participle) you unto his kingdom and glory.”

Scripture makes clear that we are in the kingdom now. We have been called on to the kingdom now in the same way that we have been “called (kaleo) unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord” (1 Corinthians 1:9).

These are obviously the dead in Christ reigning in heaven now. They are currently integral to the kingdom, and are also priests unto God.

John says in Revelation 1:5-6, “Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made (aorist active indicative) us kings and priests unto God and his father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever.”

The word translated “kings” here is taken from the Greek word basileia (Strong’s 932), which refers to the Royal realm, normally it is rendered kingdom, or kingdom reign. The word translated “King” or “kings” in the New Testament is the Greek word basileus (Strong’s 935), which refers to an actual sovereign king.

This passage basically says that “God … has (currently) made us a kingdom and priests unto God.”

 

[WPM]

The problem is that you can't or won't understand the distinction between being granted a kingdom and enforcing that kingdom. You presented passages proving that Jesus has been granted authority. But you have not presented evidence that he is enforcing his rule over all creation and among his enemies.

I am fighting your interpretation of scripture and your willingness to accept imaginary evidence as proof.

You are so blind to the truth on who Jesus is and what power He possesses. Each of your posts contradicts the next.

The word “kingdom” means king with a domain. You do not have a king without a kingdom. You do not have a kingdom without a king (or queen). Basically, where you have the king, you have the kingdom, or, were you have the kingdom, you have the king.

A kingdom includes the territory and the people over whom the King rules and exercises sovereign authority. The term also includes the legislation and laws that administrate that kingdom. The word employed in the New Testament for ‘kingdom’ is the Greek word ‘Basileia’ denoting ‘sovereignty, royal power, kingship and dominion’. A kingdom must therefore have (1) a king – a head, (2) a domain to rule over – subjects and territory, (3) a structure of administration – ethics, rules and laws which govern it.

When a citizen (or a subject) refuses to (firstly) submit to the authority of a king and (secondly) obey the rules of that realm, he is considered a rebel, an anarchist, a mutineer and a revolter.

So, what is the character of the kingdom of God?

Everywhere Jesus appeared, from the cradle to the cross, people recognized Him as King of the Jews.

 

[WPM]

How so?


If that were true, we would see it. Since we don't see any evidence that Christ is in charge, then we can't say that he is ruling over his enemies today.

• Jesus is king now.
• He is in sovereign control. What He allows, happens. What He disallows, does not happen.
• He holds all authority now.
• He exercises divine power now.
• He rules over all creation now.
• He reigns over His enemies now.
• Everything is under His feet now.
• He will finally and eternally subdue then when He comes.

• He is the prince of peace.
• He govern over the affairs of man.
• He is spiritually with His people.
• He is still working signs and wonders.
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• The victory is already won.
• We are here to enforce that.
• Satan is a defeated foe.
• The Savior we serve never loses any battles to Satan.
• While God allows evil to function, He doesn’t let it triumph.
• While we fail and lose personal battles, we win the war.
• No weapon formed against us will prosper
• Satan has no power over us. But, we have power over Him.
• All things eventually work together for God's glory and our benefit.
• Light will always overcome darkness.
• We know how it all ends – we win.
• We are now in Revelation 20 .

 

[WPM]

Jesus is a human man who has representational identity with God the Father. By nature, he is a man. By identity, he is God.

You talk such gibberish. Talk about confusion!

 

[WPM]

How so?


If that were true, we would see it. Since we don't see any evidence that Christ is in charge, then we can't say that he is ruling over his enemies today.

Christ rules as God over all creation. You must reject that because you deny the deity of Christ. Notwithstanding, regardless of how you think, Jesus possesses all authority in heaven and on earth.

Proverbs 21: 1: "The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will."

This is His sovereign control. What more control does He need than that to be ruling over his enemies?

Jeremiah 10:23: "O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps."

This is His sovereign control. What more control does He need than that to be ruling over his enemies?

Revelation 3:7: "These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth."

This is His sovereign control. What more control does He need than that to be ruling over his enemies?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There isn't a single person who has studied it for themselves who believes that three people can exist as one "ousia." Whether you know it or not, you were heavily influenced by the Creeds, which were developed in the third century under the auspices of a Roman king's desire for theological unity. Before you condemn someone as a Heretic, get a grip on the issue. If you want to take sides with Athanasius over Arius, first understand the issue at stake. I guarantee that you will decide, as I did, that they were both wrong because they both started with the underpinnings of Greek Philosophy. These men were dueling with dualism.

Nonsense. You can't support your view with scripture, so you have to resort to this pointless gibberish instead. The scriptures very clearly teach that Jesus is God and man at the same time, as WPM and I have shown, and you have done NOTHING to refute any of our arguments. Nothing at all. You won't even answer simple questions. Give up the charade already. You are dismissing mountains of scriptural evidence that are against your false beliefs and everyone can see that.

 

[Zao is life]

Jesus is not Clark Kent, able to leap tall buildings on a single bound at a moment's notice. That is Superman disguised as Clark Kent. Jesus is not God in a man suit. He is the Word become flesh, and we are to understand God through the lens of his humanity.

I never knew that Clark Kent walked on water, healed the sick (even while not even present with them), raised the dead, took five loaves and two fishes and miraculously multiplied them so that they fed thousands ..

I never knew that superman claimed that what he was doing was his father who is a spirit doing his works by him, claimed that every word he speaks is the word of his father and those words are Spirit and life.

But I also never thought that someone could have so little respect for God and Jesus the Son of God that he would compare His real works to the imaginary super abilities of a cartoon character.

 

[Zao is life]

There isn't a single person who has studied it for themselves who believes that three people can exist as one "ousia." Whether you know it or not, you were heavily influenced by the Creeds, which were developed in the third century under the auspices of a Roman king's desire for theological unity. Before you condemn someone as a Heretic, get a grip on the issue. If you want to take sides with Athanasius over Arius, first understand the issue at stake. I guarantee that you will decide, as I did, that they were both wrong because they both started with the underpinnings of Greek Philosophy. These men were dueling with dualism.

How many people are you? Is your body 1 person and your soul another person and your spirit another person?

Why do you believe your human reasoning is able to disprove the Trinity? Why don't you just accept what the Bible says and allow the Spirit of God who is the Spirit of the Father and of the Son to help you to understand?

Every knee bowing only to God. Only one Savior.

Isaiah 45:21-23
"Who has declared this of old? Who has told it from then? Is it not I, YHVH? And there is no other God besides Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none besides Me.
Turn to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself, the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Philippians 2:5-11
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

* Paul calls God Savior in the verses below.
* Paul calls Jesus Savior in the verses below:

Titus 1:1-4
"Paul, a servant of God (Greek: θεός theós) and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, in the acknowledging of the truth which is according to godliness on hope of eternal life, which God. who cannot lie, promised before the eternal times, but revealed in its own times in a proclamation of His word,
with which I was entrusted by the command of God (Greek: θεός theós) our Savior, to Titus, a true child according to our common faith. Grace mercy and peace from God (Greek: θεός theós) the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior."​

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You talk such gibberish. Talk about confusion!

Every post of his is total gibberish, without exception. He said "by nature Jesus is a man" and he denies that Jesus is by nature God. His beliefs are not based on scripture. They must be based on some Heretic Bible Translation (HBT).

Philippians 2:5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

His beliefs blatantly contradict clear scripture. His beliefs are a farce. A complete joke. He claims that Jesus is God, but does not acknowledge that Jesus is by nature God or that Jesus has all of God's attributes, which makes his claim a lie. He needs to drop this charade.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A new glorified body “CAN NOT become Manifested…UNTIL the OLD Body has Died.

1 Cor. 15:
[35] But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Paul said we will not all sleep/die, but we will all be changed. Are you suggesting that we have to die before being changed? That's not what Paul said. Don't make Paul contradict himself.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

 

[WPM]

Every post of his is total gibberish, without exception. He said "by nature Jesus is a man" and he denies that Jesus is by nature God. His beliefs are not based on scripture. They must be based on some Heretic Bible Translation (HBT).

Philippians 2:5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

His beliefs blatantly contradict clear scripture. His beliefs are a farce. A complete joke. He claims that Jesus is God, but does not acknowledge that Jesus is by nature God or that Jesus has all of God's attributes, which makes his claim a lie. He needs to drop this charade.

Mormons believe we are all gods.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Mormons believe we are all gods.

Right, I know. Are you saying he is a Mormon?

 

[WPM]

Right, I know. Are you saying he is a Mormon?

Who knows what cult he is in. Who cares. He fights with every solid fundamental of Scripture. That says it all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Who knows what cult he is in. Who cares. He fights with every solid fundamental of Scripture. That says it all.

I don't really care, but I was just curious because you made a comment about Mormons in response to a post where I was talking about CadyandZoe, so I wondered if that implied that you were saying he is a Mormon or not. But, I do agree that it doesn't matter. He clearly is in some cult and it doesn't really matter which one. It could be his own one man cult for all I know.

 

[Taken]

Paul said we will not all sleep/die, but we will all be changed. Are you suggesting that we have to die before being changed?

It is Scripture itself that reveals the Facts.
* Gods requirement…regarding the Blood Life of “mortal man…”

Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I-require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

Further … for fools who do NOT get…
Natural Blood Life Shall Die…Period!
And “Definately” shall DIE…BEFORE that individual CAN receive…Gods Seed, and Eternal Spiritual Life!!

1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

That's not what Paul said. Don't make Paul contradict himself.

Zero contradiction!

1 Corinthians 15:51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

We will not ALL Sleep….you are twisting to “your understanding that all will not “mortally Die”…

Uh…but THEN…the DEAD shall be raised!

All Shall mortally Die.
Mortal Death is Blood Life Ceases to Be Alive.

There is ALSO…a Life and Death … that has Nothing to Do with a mortal mans natural Physical Blood Life.

There are Millions of mortally physical Blood alive Humans…who “are” SPIRITUALLY DEAD!!

A Spiritual DEAD Human is a Human man with NO relationship “with the Lord God”!!!

You should have learned “of a Spiritual Death”…from the accounts revealed IN Genesis regarding Adam… who himself experienced a Spiritual Death…and separation from God….until the day of Adams own reconciliation with God.

Some men, shall be adjoined With God and NEVER thereafter experience a Spiritual Death / a Spiritual Separation From God…
* Yet ALL mortal men Shall experience a physical mortal Blood Death …
God Requires THAT Death!

Your lack of understanding and consideration of…
Physical AND Spiritual Death(s)…lands you on a dilemma of not knowing what Paul is speaking about, and WHO it applies To, and WHY.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is Scripture itself that reveals the Facts.
* Gods requirement…regarding the Blood Life of “mortal man…”

Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I-require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

Further … for fools who do NOT get…
Natural Blood Life Shall Die…Period!
And “Definately” shall DIE…BEFORE that individual CAN receive…Gods Seed, and Eternal Spiritual Life!!

1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:





Zero contradiction!


We will not ALL Sleep….you are twisting to “your understanding that all will not “mortally Die”…

Paul used the word "sleep" as a synonym for death. He said we will not all bodily sleep/die, but we will all be bodily changed to put on bodily immortality. What he said in verse 36 was a statement about what is generally true, but will not be the case for those who are still alive when the last trumpet sounds. They will just be instantly changed to put on bodily immortality rather than dying first like all other believers in history.

Uh…but THEN…the DEAD shall be raised!

All Shall mortally Die.
Mortal Death is Blood Life Ceases to Be Alive.

There is ALSO…a Life and Death … that has Nothing to Do with a mortal mans natural Physical Blood Life.

Hello? We who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord will not die! Only the dead in Christ will be resurrected at that time. Nowhere does it say that those who are alive and remain must first die and be resurrected before being changed and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Those who are alive and remain will instead be instantly changed to put on bodily immortality and will be caught up together with the resurrected dead in Christ to meet the Lord in the air.

There are Millions of mortally physical Blood alive Humans…who “are” SPIRITUALLY DEAD!!

Yeah, so? What is your point? That has absolutely nothing to do with 1 Corinthian 15 where Paul is talking about the BODY. Hello? Speaking of being asleep. You are spiritually asleep right now with how you are not understanding what 1 Corinthians 15 is about.

A Spiritual DEAD Human is a Human man with NO relationship “with the Lord God”!!!

No kidding. Congratulations on at least getting something right. But, that has nothing to do with what Paul wrote about in 1 Corinthians 15.

You should have learned “of a Spiritual Death”…from the accounts revealed IN Genesis regarding Adam… who himself experienced a Spiritual Death…and separation from God….until the day of Adams own reconciliation with God.

I am fully aware that lost sinners are spiritually dead in sins, but that is not what we're talking about here and not what Pul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 15.

Some men, shall be adjoined With God and NEVER thereafter experience a Spiritual Death / a Spiritual Separation From God…

What men are never spiritually dead in sins? All people are dead in sins before they become saved.

* Yet ALL mortal men Shall experience a physical mortal Blood Death …
God Requires THAT Death!

Wrong. Scripture never teaches this nonsense or any of the other nonsense that you believe.

Your lack of understanding and consideration of…
Physical AND Spiritual Death(s)…lands you on a dilemma of not knowing what Paul is speaking about, and WHO it applies To, and WHY.

Your lack of understanding that 1 Corinthians 15 only refers to the body and not the spirit is unbelievable to me. You have no discernment whatsoever.

 

[Taken]

Paul used the word "sleep" as a synonym for death.

Paul expressly used the Term “sleep” for a reason.

He said we will not all bodily sleep/die,

And?
Do you care to EXPLAIN “what you think Paul MEANT” by saying …Not all will Bodily Sleep?

but we will all be bodily changed to put on bodily immortality. What he said in verse 36 was a statement about what is generally true, but will not be the case for those who are still alive when the last trumpet sounds. They will just be instantly changed to put on bodily immortality rather than dying first like all other believers in history.

Elaborate…according to you…
What occurred to “other” body’s historically?

Hello? We who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord will not die!

Hello? Stick to Paul’s’ Term “sleep”.
You have changed the Term, and thus “change” the Understanding … making God a Liar… since God plainly Said….
Blood IS the Life of mortal Bodies and God Requires The Life of All body’s to become DEAD!

Only the dead in Christ will be resurrected at that time. Nowhere does it say that those who are alive and remain must first die

Gave you the Scripture of God Requiring the (Blood) Life of all Body’s’ (regardless of Belief ) to become Dead.

and be resurrected before being changed and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Those who are alive and remain will instead be instantly changed to put on bodily immortality and will be caught up together with the resurrected dead in Christ to meet the Lord in the air.

Ahead of yourself.

Yeah, so? What is your point? That has absolutely nothing to do with 1 Corinthian 15 where Paul is talking about the BODY. Hello? Speaking of being asleep. You are spiritually asleep right now

No. I am, Already “spiritually” alive.
My spirit Has Already received Gods Seed and become Made “Born Again”.
My Body waits for its “resurrection” / “changing”.

with how you are not understanding what 1 Corinthians 15 is about.

And back at cha.

No kidding. Congratulations on at least getting something right. But, that has nothing to do with what Paul wrote about in 1 Corinthians 15.

Big of you.

I am fully aware that lost sinners are spiritually dead in sins, but that is not what we're talking about here and not what Pul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 15.

Mixing “the difference” between Physical bodily Blood Life and Spiritual Life has corrupted your understanding.

What men are never spiritually dead in sins? All people are dead in sins before they become saved.

Thus it is The Deaths of each… of mans Body and Spirit that requires understanding.

Wrong. Scripture never teaches this nonsense or any of the other nonsense that you believe.

Gave you Gods own words regarding a mans Bodily Blood Life Shall, must Die…
You can boldly disagree with God…
Zero effect on me.

Your lack of understanding that 1 Corinthians 15 only refers to the body and not the spirit

Gaslighter. I Never said or inferred 1 Cor 15 refers to the spirit of man!!

is unbelievable to me. You have no discernment whatsoever.

It is NOT shocking to me your understanding is corrupt. You reveal WHY, by changing Paul’s express Term of Sleep to Dead.

Paul is speaking ABOUT (we who are Believers ) and (others who are Unbelievers.)

Believers… expressly ISRAEL…
* during the End days Tribulations)
* shall understand Christ Jesus IS their Messiah.
* shall Bodily Mortally Physically (blood life) die….
* their souls depart their bodys’
* their departed souls gather together under the altar.
* their departed soul wait for ALL of their ISRAEL brethren to bodily die.
* all their departed souls to rise to heaven together.
And …
But their “dead body’s Shall NOT” lay in an earthen Grave (“sleeping” Rotting, waiting for “the First Mass resurrection!”
Once all body’s (of ISRAEL) are dead…
They shall be risen changed and rise up to heaven.
Thus “Fulfilling Gods Promise to Save His People ISRAEL!!!”

Rev 6:
[9] And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
[10] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
[11] And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The elders already in Heaven…question and answer WHO are these “arriving” in Heaven and Where did “they” come from…

Rev 7
[13] And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
[14] And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

It is These… ISRAEL… who for centuries rejected Christ Jesus, their Messiah, The Lamb of God…and then during the Seals Judgements and wrath of the Lamb…began to believe, understand, accept and bodily Die…but are Not required to Bodily “sleep” bodily rot, and wait for ressurrection.

God sends them teachers of their own clans (144,000)
God saves them.
God brings them with / to Him…
And the Trumps judgements thereafter continues the last days Tribulations sent down from heaven.