Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

[Scott Downey]

Another example, Hebrews 3 talks of an evil heart of unbelief, those who have that, are all killed, as they do not please God
In the same way, unbelievers will not enter into His rest.
When Christ comes again, He gives us rest from trials and tribulations

7 Therefore as the Holy Ghost saith: “Today if ye will hear His voice,

8 harden not your hearts as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness,

9 when your fathers tempted Me, proved Me, and saw My works forty years.

10 Therefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, ‘They do always err in their heart, and they have not known My ways.’

11 So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter into My rest.’”

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

13 But exhort one another daily, while it is still called “today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

14 For we are made partakers of Christ if we hold the confidence we had in the beginning steadfast unto the end,

15 while it is said, “Today if ye will hear His voice, harden not your hearts as in the provocation.”

16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke, however not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

17 But with whom was He grieved forty years? Was it not with those who had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?

18 And to whom did He swear that they should not enter into His rest, but to those who believed not?

19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

 

[Wish-it]

When it says we shall reign on the earth, that is definitely true about the NEW earth, but nothing about this 'first' earth is guaranteed like that. That is because when Christ returns, He burns the world with fire, and it passes away, just like 2 Peter 3 teaches

I agree the will be a new heaven and new earth, but there will also apparently be a 1000 year reign. A close look at 2 Peter 3 shows the who chapter is dealing with the new heaven and new earth. Which we all agree this earth after the judgment will end with fire, and destruction and we enter the new heaven and new earth.

 

[Scott Downey]

What do you mean where are they going to come from? Is Zechariah 14, for one, not in your Bible? Is Zechariah 14 not holy writ as well? Only the NT is holy writ? No matter how you look at it, Zechariah 14:16-19 is meaning aftrr verse 12 has been fulfilled. Verse 12 has not been fulfilled yet. There is not one event in the past 2000 years, in any sense, that can possibly explain verse 12. Therefore, either verse 12 is yet to be fulfilled or it is a false prophesy.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

This verse is relevant for a number of reasons. This can't be meaning before the great white throne judgment is fulfilled, therefore, must be meaning after the great white throne judgment is fulfilled.

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

This does not fit after 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled since it is preposterous, that after 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled, that things would still be continuing in this manner---And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.


Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

This does not fit before verse 12 is fulfilled because this verse explains that not everyone of the nations that came against Jerusalem, that their fate was verse 12. No one could possibly still be alive after verse 12 has been applied to them. Every one that is left of all the nations which came against does not equal anyone verse 12 has been applied to. It equals someone verse 12 has not been applied to. That's just plain common sense. And that these can't be among the eternally saved if verse 17 can be applied to them.

Don't some of you get it yet? Verse 12 gives the impression there won't be one single survivor remaining of any of the nations that came against Jerusalem. Yet verse 16 proves otherwise.

To recap then. Verse 16 can't be fulfilled until after verse 12 has been fulfilled. Verse 12 has not been fulfilled yet. Verse 16 undeniably proves that verse 12 is not applied to every single person of the nations which came against Jerusalem. Verse 16 also proves that verse 16 is involving more than just one single 24 hour day once verse 12 has been fulfilled first since it records this---shall even go up from year to year. Therefore, an additional era of time is required after verse 12 is fulfilled in order to fulfill ---shall even go up from year to year.

And that verse 17 can't be meaning after 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled, therefore, has to be meaning before 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled. And that 1 Corinthians 15:28 can't be meaning before the great white throne judgment is fulfilled, therefore, has to be meaning after the great white throne judgment is fulfilled. Therefore, pretty much everything recorded in Zechariah 14 is involving eras of time that precede the great white throne judgment. That has to mean that only the millennium can possibly explain this in verse 16, in that case---shall even go up from year to year.

It is then simply a matter of connecting all the dots based on all of these things. Do some of you have no ability to connect the dots?

Amils are being hypocrites at times by insisting that it is not ok to contradict the NT per one's understanding of some of the prophesies recorded in the OT, but it is ok to contradict some of the prophesies recorded in the OT based on one's understanding of the NT. As if only the NT is holy writ, the OT isn't. If anyone is contradicting anything here, it is Amil that is contradicting Zechariah 14 based on their misunderstanding of some of the NT.

MY view is the chapter is symbolic and apocalyptic writings.
You are 'interpreting' the chapter according to literal events.

The main issue is God destroys all unbelievers when Christ returns, you don't believe what 2 Thess 1 says?

What about the Tares explained?
What about the time of His return like Noah?

The way you interpreted an Old Testament prophetic chapter is in direct conflict with New Testament teachings, which are not symbolic or hard to understand.
For me I will stick with what Christ and the apostles taught and the only ones who survive the second coming are the genuine people of God, saved believers in Christ.

 

[Scott Downey]

How do you all read Matthew 25 here,
What happens to the righteous versus the wicked, who He actually calls cursed?
Unbelief is wickedness, God commands all men to repent and believe in Christ

31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer [d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

 

[Wish-it]

When it says we shall reign on the earth, that is definitely true about the NEW earth, but nothing about this 'first' earth is guaranteed like that. That is because when Christ returns, He burns the world with fire, and it passes away, just like 2 Peter 3 teaches

I dont consider we reign on the New earth, we simply live in harmony with our God, we will serve Him, no reigning required.Rev 22.3. Im considering that we will reign in the 7th day, as there will be many unbelievers who will remain as there consciences have dictated their lives and as Isaiah 66.19 ' to those who have not heard of my fame or glory'
I also consider that the battle at Armageddon will end the lives of those involved but won't neccessarily affect Bartlesville, OK, or Wellington, NZ

 

[Scott Downey]

I dont consider we reign on the New earth, we simply live in harmony with our God, we will serve Him, no reigning required.Rev 22.3. Im considering that we will reign in the 7th day, as there will be many unbelievers who will remain as there consciences have dictated their lives and as Isaiah 66.19 ' to those who have not heard of my fame or glory'
I also consider that the battle at Armageddon will end the lives of those involved but won't neccessarily affect Bartlesville, OK, or Wellington, NZ

Well now, what does it actually say about people on the new earth?
It says there are nations and kings
And only the saved are there, there no unsaved unbelievers.

Revelation 21
22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine [l]in it, for the [m]glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations [n]of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor [o]into it. 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into [p]it. 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything [q]that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

 

[Scott Downey]

Rev 21, all unbelievers were cast into the Lake that burns with fire and brimstone.
That is their portion.


Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, [a]John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said [b]to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

6 And He said to me, “It[c] is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes [d]shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

8 But the cowardly, [e]unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

 

[Scott Downey]

Now if when Christ comes again, heaven and earth pass away, like Christ said will happen when He returns, and 2 Peter 3 also says that too, then what comes later is the new earth and new heavens in which dwells the righteousness.

 

[Wish-it]

Well now, what does it actually say about people on the new earth?
It says there are nations and kings
And only the saved are there, there no unsaved unbelievers.

Revelation 21
22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine [l]in it, for the [m]glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations [n]of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor [o]into it. 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into [p]it. 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything [q]that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Exactly, the NHNE is for believers only. But we are trying to more fully understand the 7th day millennium.
That's where the contention is. Its like a refining process, this earth is to select His Chosen. Who will the reign on earth with Him, finally a decent government, just and fair in every way. The stubborn will be eliminated, Zech 14.16+. Gods final tidy up in Rev 20.9,10. Next up judgment, then off to perfection in NHNE.

 

[Scott Downey]

Exactly, the NHNE is for believers only. But we are trying to more fully understand the 7th day millennium.
That's where the contention is. Its like a refining process, this earth is to select His Chosen. Who will the reign on earth with Him, finally a decent government, just and fair in every way. The stubborn will be eliminated, Zech 14.16+. Gods final tidy up in Rev 20.9,10. Next up judgment, then off to perfection in NHNE.

We don't need any further refining though after He comes back we get glorified.

Colossians 2
4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing [c]to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding [d]in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone [e]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead [f]bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all [g]principality and power.

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Hebrews 12:22-24
New King James Version

22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the [a]general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

 

[Wish-it]

Now if when Christ comes again, heaven and earth pass away, like Christ said will happen when He returns, and 2 Peter 3 also says that too, then what comes later is the new earth and new heavens in which dwells the righteousness.

But that scripture doesn't mention whats in between the two events. His coming, then Rev 20, the NHNE, surely we can't ignore. The israelites did the same they were expecting a conquering king, not a saviour to die on the cross.

 

[Wish-it]

Rev 21, all unbelievers were cast into the Lake that burns with fire and brimstone.
That is their portion.


Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, [a]John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said [b]to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

6 And He said to me, “It[c] is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes [d]shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

8 But the cowardly, [e]unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

I agree, they do at the judgment, prior to NHNE.

 

[Scott Downey]

But that scripture doesn't mention whats in between the two events. His coming, then Rev 20, the NHNE, surely we can't ignore. The israelites did the same they were expecting a conquering king, not a saviour to die on the cross.

He really does say it happens when He returns, the first earth and first heaven pass away, and then comes the judgement.
There is no mention anywhere by Christ or the apostles of a 1000 year rule on this first earth.
v36, none know when the Day will come
v37 to 39, the time is like Noah, the flood came and took away all the wicked unbelieving, only Noah plus 8 persons saved.
That should tell you there will be no unbelieving survivors.

Matthew 24

The Coming of the Son of Man​

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The Parable of the Fig Tree​

32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that [e]it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

No One Knows the Day or Hour​

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [f]heaven, but My Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what [g]hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what [h]hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

The Faithful Servant and the Evil Servant​

45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food [i]in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying [j]his coming,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Wish-it]

There is no mention anywhere by Christ or the apostles of a 1000 year rule on this first earth.

Rev 20. He wrote the book.

 

[Scott Downey]

Rev 20. He wrote the book.

Well, don't you agree a lot of Revelation is written in much symbolic writings and apocalyptic messaging?
Why would the 1000 year reign have to be
a. on the earth
b. 1000 actual years

Why can't it be in heaven, with the 1000 years is symbolic of an extended period of time until the New Earth?

Whereas we have the teachings of Christ and His apostolic church letters giving a clear and concise message?

Do you recognize the conflict you set for yourself? Comparing Christ's words and the apostles' writings, versus a highly symbolic apocalyptic chapter?

 

[Wish-it]

Well, don't you agree a lot of Revelation is written in much symbolic writings and apocalyptic messaging?
Why would the 1000 year reign have to be
a. on the earth
b. 1000 actual years

Why can't it be in heaven, with the 1000 years is symbolic of an extended period of time until the New Earth?

Whereas we have the teachings of Christ and His apostolic church letters giving a clear and concise message?

Do you recognize the conflict you set for yourself? Comparing Christ's words and the apostles' writings, versus a highly symbolic apocalyptic chapter?

Comparing Christ's words and the apostles' writings, versus a highly symbolic apocalyptic chapter?

I see all scripture as inspired by God and profitable etc. So dont emphasize some scripture above another. It can teach us from any part of scripture. I tend to read scripture literally, tho of course often that refers to images, of which their meaning is usually shown somewhere else in scripture. I dont find Daniel and Revelation difficult to understand. If it says we will meet him in the air, I believe it. If it says we will reign with him 1000 years I believe it. If it says there's a 7th day rest in the future, I believe it. If he say a day is as a thousand years I believe it.
Highly symbolic, its mostly not, in my opinion.
For some reason Amill seems to struggle with Rev 20. Usually if I struggle with a portion of scripture, and there is always a new struggle going on, once I deliberate on it, ask Him for answers etc. I find it fits.
Hopefully, cause its scripturally correct.

 

[Davidpt]

Exactly, the NHNE is for believers only. But we are trying to more fully understand the 7th day millennium.
That's where the contention is. Its like a refining process, this earth is to select His Chosen. Who will the reign on earth with Him, finally a decent government, just and fair in every way. The stubborn will be eliminated, Zech 14.16+. Gods final tidy up in Rev 20.9,10. Next up judgment, then off to perfection in NHNE.

Have you ever factored in Isaiah 60 before arriving at what you do?

Isaiah 60:11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought .
12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
13 The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.
14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
15 Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.
16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.
18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.
19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended .
21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.


Obviously, verse 12 is in regards to the era of time meant in these verses. What I have underlined, where era of time do you see it describing? Hint--compare with some of Revelation 21-22, for example.


For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted---thus fulfilled during satan's little season after the millennium.

During satan's little season before the 2nd coming(Amil), or during satan's little season after the 2nd coming(Premil)? To answer that question, will there still be anyone remaining of the nations that were not saved prior to the 2nd coming, yet spared during the 2nd coming, but possibly not fully in compliance after the 2nd coming? Sure there is. That's what Zechariah 14:16-19 records, does it not?

And if any of these in Zechariah 14:16-19 are meaning any of these in Isaiah 60:12, it is then a question of, what era of time are those verses in Isaiah 60 involving that I underlined, since they have to be involving the same era of time Zechariah 14:16-19 is involving if there is a connection between Zechariah 14:16-19 and Isaiah 60:12,.

 

[Scott Downey]

I see all scripture as inspired by God and profitable etc. So dont emphasize some scripture above another. It can teach us from any part of scripture. I tend to read scripture literally, tho of course often that refers to images, of which their meaning is usually shown somewhere else in scripture. I dont find Daniel and Revelation difficult to understand. If it says we will meet him in the air, I believe it. If it says we will reign with him 1000 years I believe it. If it says there's a 7th day rest in the future, I believe it. If he say a day is as a thousand years I believe it.
Highly symbolic, its mostly not, in my opinion.
For some reason Amill seems to struggle with Rev 20. Usually if I struggle with a portion of scripture, and there is always a new struggle going on, once I deliberate on it, ask Him for answers etc. I find it fits.
Hopefully, cause its scripturally correct.

Amil does not struggle with Rev 20, premill does.
Premill for good reasons, struggles with 2 Thess 1 and Matthew 24, they struggle with the scriptures teaching about the second coming.

Why? Because they make many assumptions based on an idea taught to them which is only about 150 years old which came from Darby and Scofield, which taught this teaching to American churches.

And mostly only in the North American churches is the 1000 year reign believed and only a subset of all churches in North America believe like you do.

I could easily agree with this here as applicable to a modern interpretation not believed by the church for over 1800 years.

We are told of great apostasy that happens in the latter times, so why would Amil be the apostasy?
I would lean on the recent teaching of premill to fit that more accurately.

1 Timothy 4
New King James Version
The Great Apostasy

1 Now the Spirit [a]expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

​

 

[Wish-it]

Have you ever factored in Isaiah 60 before arriving at what you do?

Isaiah 60:11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought .
12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
13 The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.
14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
15 Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.
16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.
18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.
19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended .
21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.


Obviously, verse 12 is in regards to the era of time meant in these verses. What I have underlined, where era of time do you see it describing? Hint--compare with some of Revelation 21-22, for example.


For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted---thus fulfilled during satan's little season after the millennium.

During satan's little season before the 2nd coming(Amil), or during satan's little season after the 2nd coming(Premil)? To answer that question, will there still be anyone remaining of the nations that were not saved prior to the 2nd coming, yet spared during the 2nd coming, but possibly not fully in compliance after the 2nd coming? Sure there is. That's what Zechariah 14:16-19 records, does it not?

And if any of these in Zechariah 14:16-19 are meaning any of these in Isaiah 60:12, it is then a question of, what era of time are those verses in Isaiah 60 involving that I underlined, since they have to be involving the same era of time Zechariah 14:16-19 is involving if there is a connection between Zechariah 14:16-19 and Isaiah 60:12,.

During satan's little season before the 2nd coming(Amil), or during satan's little season after the 2nd coming(Premil)?

During the season (not satans little season-he is locked away) after the 2nd coming.

 

[Wish-it]

Paul made it very clear that mortal flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.

But, Premillennialism contradicts this by having "the righteous" with mortal flesh and blood bodies that are represented by "the sheep" inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world..........41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels..........46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Notice here that "the righteous" who are represented by "the sheep" inherit "eternal life" in the kingdom of God prepared since the creation of the world. Since they are inheriting eternal life, that means they must have immortal bodies since only those with immortal bodies could inherit eternal life. And, again, Paul clearly taught that only those with immortal bodies can inherit the kingdom of God.

Since the rest, represented by "the goats", are instead cast "into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" at that point, who are the mortals that would populate a future earthly millennial kingdom at that point and where are they? Nowhere. There would not be any mortals to populate an earthly kingdom at that point since all who inherit the kingdom will have immortal bodies and everyone else (the goats, which are unbelievers) are cast into the eternal fire.

So, I believe 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and Matthew 25:31-46 clearly support Amillennialism rather than Premillennialism since I see no reasonable way to reconcile these passages with Premillennialism. At least not the Premillennial view that most Premills have. I know there are some Premills, like the SDAs, who would agree with what I'm saying here except they would say that the righteous then go to heaven for a thousand years while the earth remains desolate during that time. There's a few who believe that immortals alone populate the earth during the thousand years as well, so I guess I'm not really talking about them, either.

Matt 25.31+ is in my mind, referring to the judgment of Rev 20.11+ not some sort of 2nd coming judgment, therefore after the millennium.