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Spiritual Israelite

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God revealed the truths of Salvation and of His Plans for mankind to the Prophets and by the teachings of Jesus.
I'm not talking about the prophets and authors of scripture. Obviously, God revealed truth to them. I'm talking about you thinking that you are the only one who accurately understands certain things that are written in scripture. It takes a high level of arrogance for someone to believe that about themselves.

If your criteria for an arrogant person is what I post on the forums, then people like Paul was exceedingly arrogant!
Look at you comparing yourself to Paul! Your arrogance level is even beyond what I thought! Paul did not claim that he was the only one who knew the things he wrote about the way you act like you are the only one who knows some of the things you write about here.

You only accuse me of being pushy and a know it all, because what I promote from scripture conflicts with your beliefs.
No, that is wrong. If even one other person actually agreed with the things that currently only you believe, then that wouldn't bother me. I would still disagree with those things, but I wouldn't wonder how in the world you think you're so special that God would reveal truth of certain things only to you.
 

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I have been to those places and Petra is not Bosrah. None of those ancient places feature in the end times, they are just used as metaphors for the modern place of safety, Rev 12:14, and where the Christian peoples are now; in the sheepfold.
Petra is the Greek word for a city in Southern Jordan today that was know in Old Testament times as Bozrah. The Word Petra means rock and the word Bozrah means sheepfold and/or fortress.
www.doctorwoodhead.com/bozrah-or-petra-the-refuge-in-jordan/

https://www.biblicalstudiesresources.org/2017/12/...

Petra – The Prepared Place Historical Background of Petra


Once again yo9u are showing sloppy scholarship and an entire lack of history.
We will soon see about this. Jesus will expect an apology from all who have rejected what the Prophets have said.
Yes He will. and He will expect more than a mer apology from those wqho took the prophets words and redefined or allegorized them
Yes; those martyrs killed during the 42 month period of world Satanic control. will be resurrected, but not into immortality yet. Rev 20:6 says their second death will not affect their eventual receiving of immortality at the GWT Judgment.
The whole idea of anyone getting 'glorified bodies', or immortality before that final Judgment and the Book of Life opened, is false and cannot happen.
Rev. 20:6 does not say what you declare. You added that.

The church which is in heaven before Jesus returns in REv. 19 have their glorified bodies as it is written!
The Prophetic Word is right. I promote it and post against fables like the rapture to heaven and the AMill crazy belief.
The prophetic word is right! Just not your redefining and allegorizing and replacement theology opinion of the Word.
 

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I wouldn't wonder how in the world you think you're so special that God would reveal truth of certain things only to you.
I don't wonder that, as I know the Lord has helped me to understand the Prophetic Word. Have you ever bothered to look ai my website? Where I have written nearly 1000 articles, mostly on that subject. Something I could not do of my own volition.

God does say, thru Daniel 12:19, that a few people will understand the Prophesies. This infers that most will not.
Jesus said, in Matthew 11:25, the learned and wise people have the truth of the Prophesies hidden from them, so for myself, as a person uneducated in the doctrines and somewhat crazy ideas that abound about what God has planned for our future, it is possible for me to understand the truths of what must happen. Someone has to have the truth, or God has given us the information to no avail.

Rather than accusing me of arrogance and self promotion, which I deny; address the Prophesies. You try to explain how the Sixth Seal could literally happen.
 

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I don't wonder that, as I know the Lord has helped me to understand the Prophetic Word. Have you ever bothered to look ai my website?
So, the Lord helps you understand the Prophetic Word, but not me? Is that what you're trying to say. Yes, I've seen your website. It contains a number of articles which contain false teaching. I'm not impressed.

Where I have written nearly 1000 articles, mostly on that subject. Something I could not do of my own volition.
Am I supposed to be impressed with this? I'm not. I do not believe at all that you did not do it on your own volition because if that was the case there wouldn't be any false teaching there, but there is.

God does say, thru Daniel 12:19, that a few people will understand the Prophesies. This infers that most will not.
Daniel 12:19 doesn't exist. You must have meant some other verse.

Jesus said, in Matthew 11:25, the learned and wise people have the truth of the Prophesies hidden from them, so for myself, as a person uneducated in the doctrines and somewhat crazy ideas that abound about what God has planned for our future, it is possible for me to understand the truths of what must happen. Someone has to have the truth, or God has given us the information to no avail.
Someone? Just one person? Nonsense. That is not how God works. I have no education in the doctrines, either. I never want to seminary or anything like that. My views differ greatly from the church I grew up in. I have studied scripture for myself like the Bereans did (Acts 17:10-11).

Rather than accusing me of arrogance and self promotion
It's not really an accusation, it's an observation. You believe some things that no one else does. So, you obvoiusly think you are special. That's arrogance. You want me to check out your website where you have written 1000 articles. But, that's not self promotion? Good grief.

, which I deny;
Deny it all you want. It's obvious to me.

address the Prophesies. You try to explain how the Sixth Seal could literally happen.
I address the prophecies all the time and you know it. Don't act otherwise. Not sure what you're asking me to do in relation to the sixth seal here. I don't believe what is described there is literal, so what is your point here?
 

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So, the Lord helps you understand the Prophetic Word, but not me? Is that what you're trying to say. Yes, I've seen your website. It contains a number of articles which contain false teaching. I'm not impressed.
As Jesus plainly said in Matthew 11:25-26, God hides the truth of the Prophetic Word from those who have been 'educated', or just who consider themselves 'wise', in their own estimation.
I do not believe at all that you did not do it on your own volition because if that was the case there wouldn't be any false teaching there, but there is.
Articles on my website that conflict with your beliefs, are not false teaching without any proof.
It is just because what I write from the Prophetic Word, shows you to be wrong.
Daniel 12:19 doesn't exist. You must have meant some other verse.
Daniel 12:10.....only the wise leaders will understand.
Someone? Just one person? Nonsense. That is not how God works. I have no education in the doctrines, either. I never want to seminary or anything like that.
But you invalidate yourself, with false beliefs like AMill.
God does work with individuals, like the Patriarchs, or small groups, like the Disciples.
Not sure what you're asking me to do in relation to the sixth seal here. I don't believe what is described there is literal, so what is your point here?
My main point in being here is to help people understand and be ready for the soon to happen; Sixth Seal Lords terrible Day of fiery wrath. An event of similar magnitude as Noah's Flood. Matthew 24:37-39
 

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As Jesus plainly said in Matthew 11:25-26, God hides the truth of the Prophetic Word from those who have been 'educated', or just who consider themselves 'wise', in their own estimation.
That would explain why it's largely hidden from you. You won't admit it, but you clearly think of yourself as wise. You clearly are a very prideful person. You try to claim otherwise, but you don't hide it well. Anyone who basically says "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" is prideful.

You do get a couple things right, though. You are right that there will not be a pre-trib rapture to heaven and that all of God's people are together as one in Spiritual Israel and He does not show any favoritism to national Israel. Other than that, I can't think of anything else I agree with you about, but maybe there's something else. I know I disagree with a lot of what you believe as well such as your belief in a 7000 year plan of God, your horrible and ridiculous belief in the reinstatement of animal sacrifices and offerings in the future based on your terribly flawed understanding of Zechariah 14. And your belief that CMEs will send fire down to the earth that destroys most, but not all of the earth rather than God Himself supernaturally sending fire down on literally the entire earth when Jesus returns as Peter taught in 2 Peter 3:10-12 and other nonsense like that.

Articles on my website that conflict with your beliefs, are not false teaching without any proof.
It is just because what I write from the Prophetic Word, shows you to be wrong.
First you say I don't have any proof that your articles contain false teaching and then you act as if you have proof to show otherwise just because what you write is based on your interpretations of what you read in the Prophetic Word. That's not proof of anything. It just proves that you write a lot about your opinions on what the Prophetic Word says.

Daniel 12:10.....only the wise leaders will understand.
You butcher this verse terribly which illustrates why your opinions can't be trusted even if you are right here and there.

Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Where does this say that there's only a literal few people who are wise and understand? Nowhere! Why are you not accurately representing what the verse actually says? That is dishonest of you to do that. What the verse says is that MANY shall be purified, and made white, and tried. They are contrasted with the wicked of which none understand. Why would you not think that the many who are purified are not the same as the wise who understand? To me, that's clearly what the verse is saying. So, it says MANY are wise and understand, not few. You are changing the text to fit your belief. Why do that? Even though many are wise and understand, it can still be relatively few compared to the unwise/wicked. Regardless, it does NOT say that only a literal few people will understand as you claim.

But you invalidate yourself, with false beliefs like AMill.
You have never done anything to refute Amil besides taking OT scriptures out of context to support your premil doctrine. You interpret those OT scriptures in such a way that contradicts NT scripture and you don't seem to even care about that.

God does work with individuals, like the Patriarchs, or small groups, like the Disciples.
God didn't have the NT written for only a literal few to understand it. The NT scriptures explain the OT prophecies for us, but you don't allow the NT to do that for you.

My main point in being here is to help people understand and be ready for the soon to happen; Sixth Seal Lords terrible Day of fiery wrath. An event of similar magnitude as Noah's Flood. Matthew 24:37-39
Where do you get the idea that it will only be of "similar magnitude"? That isn't what Jesus or Peter indicated. They said it will be of the SAME magnitude, meaning that just as litearlly all unbelievers were killed by the flood, all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.......10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

This is very clear and straightforward scripture which your doctrine contradicts. You say the fire that will come down after the sixth seal is opened will be only "similar" to the magnitude of Noah's flood. Peter said, in contrast, that the fire that will come down when Jesus comes will be "by the SAME word" as what happened with the flood. He didn't use the word "similar" there like you are doing. He said "the same". So, you are contradicting what Peter taught. And Jesus likewise indicated that heaven and earth will pass away in conjunction with His coming which will result in all unbelievers being destroyed just as occurred in Noah's flood. It is because of how you contradict passages like these that I can't take your views on some things seriously.
 

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This is very clear and straightforward scripture which your doctrine contradicts. You say the fire that will come down after the sixth seal is opened will be only "similar" to the magnitude of Noah's flood. Peter said, in contrast, that the fire that will come down when Jesus comes will be "by the SAME word" as what happened with the flood. He didn't use the word "similar" there like you are doing. He said "the same". So, you are contradicting what Peter taught. And Jesus likewise indicated that heaven and earth will pass away in conjunction with His coming which will result in all unbelievers being destroyed just as occurred in Noah's flood.
I say the forthcoming Day of the Lords fiery wrath is similar to Noah's Flood, because they are different punishments, the Flood was not survivable, but at the Sixth Seal many of the godless people will survive. They will hide under cover for that 24 hour period and they are mostly the people who will follow the beast and take his mark. Rev 13
2 Peter 3:7-12 is not a single event, but a sequence, ending with the NH, NE of Revelation 21:1

I remain quite confident in what the Prophets have said will happen. They tell us that it will only be after the Lords Day of wrath, that people will finally understand the Prophesies. Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 29:18 & 24. Isaiah 32:3-4

Re; your nasty accusation about the sacrifices being reinstated, Zechariah 14:16-21 does refute you and Isaiah 56:1-8 and Ezekiel 40 to 46 prove that God will again require offerings on the Temple Altar and sacrifices too, for special circumstances.
Your rejection of this truth, shows how you simply ignore scriptures that you don't like.
 

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Victory comes from the Lord:
Isaiah 54:1 Sing, barren woman, who never bore a child, Shout for joy, you who have never been in labour, for the deserted wife will have more children that she who has a husband.
This verse refers to the Israelites – the 10 Northern tribes, then Judah, both divorced and exiled from God for their sins, but now ‘a vast multitude’. Isaiah 50:1, Jeremiah 3:8-9, Malachi 2:10-11, Ezekiel 36:10-11.

Isaiah 54:2-3 Enlarge your space, spread out right and left, your descendants will dispossess nations and will inhabit cities now desolate.
The Israelites, now including every faithful Christian: will go to live in all of the holy Land, they will take over neighbouring areas and will live in their abandoned houses. Zechariah 10:8-10, Micah 7:11, Ezekiel 36:24-28, Amos 9:12, Zephaniah 3:19-20.]

Isaiah 54:4-6 Fear not, you will not be put to shame or disgrace. It is time to forget the shame of your younger days and the reproach of your casting off, for your husband is your Maker, His name is Y’hovah. The Holy One of Israel is your redeemer, He acknowledges you as his possession again, once cast off and heartbroken.
His people, the Christian Israelites of God, can look forward to their redemption and restoration to their heritage. Amos 9:13-15, Jeremiah 31:31-34, Isaiah 14:1-2

Isaiah 54:7-8 I forsook you for a passing moment, but with tender affection, I shall bring you home again. In an upsurge of anger, I hid My face from you, but now, I shall give you never failing love, says the Lord; your Redeemer.
a passing moment
– 1000s of years of Israel’s exile ( a 1000 years is as a day to God) Soon to migrate to their true homeland. Isaiah 35:1-10, Zephaniah 3:17, Micah 3:6-8.

Isaiah 54:9-10 This to Me, is like when I swore to never again flood the earth, so now I swear to you – to never again be angry or rebuke you. My love will never fail and My covenant of peace will never be shaken.
Wonderful promises of blessings to His people, those who love and serve Him. Micah 7:19, Hosea 14:4-7, Ezekiel 37:26-27

Isaiah 54:11-12 Storm battered city, distressed and desolate, now I shall rebuild you with the finest materials.
Jerusalem – and all Israel- rebuilt and regenerated after the destruction caused by the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath. Joel 1:19-20, Amos 9:11, Ezekiel 36:8-12

Isaiah 54:13-17 Your children will be instructed by the Lord, they will enjoy great prosperity. They will have nothing to fear. If anyone tries to attack you, they will die [Ezekiel 38 & 39 & Joel 2:20] No weapon will prevail against you and any accuser will be refuted. These benefits are enjoyed by the servants of the Lord, their victory comes from Me.
Reference; REB, some verses abridged.

His faithful Christian people, living in peace and security, in all of the holy Land, will fulfil all the promises made to the Patriarchs. They will be ‘a Light to the nations ‘ and will send out 144,000 missionaries to spread the gospel of the coming Kingdom of Jesus Christ. Isaiah 66:19, and Luke 10:1-19 – is the precursor for them.
 

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I don't wonder that, as I know the Lord has helped me to understand the Prophetic Word. Have you ever bothered to look ai my website? Where I have written nearly 1000 articles, mostly on that subject. Something I could not do of my own volition.

God does say, thru Daniel 12:19, that a few people will understand the Prophesies. This infers that most will not.
Jesus said, in Matthew 11:25, the learned and wise people have the truth of the Prophesies hidden from them, so for myself, as a person uneducated in the doctrines and somewhat crazy ideas that abound about what God has planned for our future, it is possible for me to understand the truths of what must happen. Someone has to have the truth, or God has given us the information to no avail.

Rather than accusing me of arrogance and self promotion, which I deny; address the Prophesies. You try to explain how the Sixth Seal could literally happen.
Someone who promotes himself is promoting a fool.

You have taken and redefined and allegorized SCriptures and dare to blame God? That is a dangerous platform you are on the edge of.
 

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I say the forthcoming Day of the Lords fiery wrath is similar to Noah's Flood, because they are different punishments, the Flood was not survivable, but at the Sixth Seal many of the godless people will survive. They will hide under cover for that 24 hour period and they are mostly the people who will follow the beast and take his mark. Rev 13
2 Peter 3:7-12 is not a single event, but a sequence, ending with the NH, NE of Revelation 21:1
Yeah, YOU say that. Scripture doesn't. You clearly have no respect at all for Paul and Peter as they did not teach what you teach about the day of the Lord.

Re; your nasty accusation about the sacrifices being reinstated, Zechariah 14:16-21 does refute you and Isaiah 56:1-8 and Ezekiel 40 to 46 prove that God will again require offerings on the Temple Altar and sacrifices too, for special circumstances.
Your rejection of this truth, shows how you simply ignore scriptures that you don't like.
I'm being nasty by defending the Lord Jesus Christ's honor? Give me a break. Reinstating animal sacrifices would be a huge insult to what He accomplished on the cross long ago.

You say the animal sacrifices would be for "special circumstances"? Like what? You have no idea. You're making that up. Have you not ever actually read Ezekiel 40-46? It indicates what the purpose of the sacrifices you believe will be reinstated in the future would be.

Ezekiel 45:15 And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord God. 16 All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel. 17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Jesus already made reconciliation for the sins of the whole world long ago! Anyone who thinks that animal sacrifices would be performed in the future "to make reconciliation for the house of Israel" doesn't understand what Jesus has already done! When He said "It is finished", it was finished. No more reconciliation for sins is necessary.
 
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It would be really nice if people would discuss the Prophesies about the forthcoming Day of the Lords Victory.
NOT the status of the poster, who is just another Christan trying to make sense of the Bible Prophesies.

Think about when this could happen:
Isaiah 54:13-17 Your children will be instructed by the Lord, they will enjoy great prosperity. They will have nothing to fear. If anyone tries to attack you, they will die [Ezekiel 38 & 39 & Joel 2:20] No weapon will prevail against you and any accuser will be refuted. These benefits are enjoyed by the servants of the Lord, their victory comes from Me.