Proof of God

[Wrangler]

Ok, I can't help myself, I've got to reply to your nonsense.

Don’t worry about @Matthias. So many of his posts are nonsense, I put him on ignore!

A few more rubbish jokes maybe, and I'm out.

pleas stay. The forum has many members that are thought provoking.

I know that deep down you'll all miss me.

I’ll miss you.

 

[Mancunian]

And on top of that you're happy that murderers and rapists and paedophiles will be in heaven, because they've been born again.
Anyone who is good with that is a disgusting human being...
I have the 'Moral' high ground here, and if any of you want to argue against that feel free.

It's awful.
It's not right.
It's going against all of our ideas of morality.

Decent free thinkers can't support that, that's why your religion will die a death.

 

[Mancunian]

Don’t worry about @Matthias. So many of his posts are nonsense, I put him on ignore!



pleas stay. The forum has many members that are thought provoking.



I’ll miss you.

I know that you're a thoughtful person.
I like your questions... You've always been respectful to me and that's humanity at it's best.

 

[Mancunian]

Putting aside tribalistic tendencies, I think, generally speaking, different things speak more to different people.

In the big trial at this time, Lindsay Clancy, it is obviously the case. Not only is their polarity, there is a passionate intensity in the public sphere.

While I’m not inclined to disparage any assertion that proves the existence of God, I didn’t find this particular argument the most compelling. If you’re interested, I’ll dig up a vid that shows how math proves the existence of God. Ever hear of THE UNREASONABLE EFFECTIVENESS OF MATHEMATICS IN THE NATURAL SCIENCES By Eugene Wigner?

No I've not seen that. Yes please.

 

[Wrangler]

I know that you're a thoughtful person.
I like your questions... You've always been respectful to me and that's humanity at it's best.

Thanks! I suspect we can have good conversations because you’re a free thinker. IMO, too many here ‘tow the party line‘ without giving due consideration of ideas that don’t 100% align with their own.

To elaborate, I‘m fairly disgusted with many here in how disrespectfully they treat fellow believers - including me and other minority viewpoints. They probably treat you better than some one who ‘only’ agrees with their theology 95%. We are supposed to be known to the world by how we love each other and we do a piss poor job , are a disgrace to the gracious Lord we claim to follow.

Did you start a thread to introduce yourself? (I don’t want to hijack this thread’s topic.)

 

[Matthias]

Ok, I can't help myself, I've got to reply to your nonsense.
I have as you do, a finite amount of time...
I like you get on with my day to day life, it will take me a few weeks to protect my delicate plants and bring inside my succulents.
Your God won't protect them, he's spent the last 2000 years sleeping/not existing.

Your God does nothing, he only exists in the minds of his misguided followers.... He does nothing to ease the suffering of the many because he's about as real as the Loch Ness Monster....

You're wasting your one and only life promoting superstitious nonsense from antiquity.
Wake up Matthias. Stop lying for Jesus and pretending that you're "in the know".

You know nothing, you're guessing, and your guesswork is ill informed and quite frankly ridiculous.

Your God didn't create the universe, your God used illiterate superstitious goat herders to spread the word?

I'm not a scared little man hiding behind his Bible. I'm living my life and being honest and true to myself. I pity you.

Spoken like a true atheist. Thank you.

The God / my God whom you don’t believe exists will continue to bless you, in the general way that he blesses all human beings. You will, however, still have to face the judgment.

 

[Wrangler]

No I've not seen that. Yes please.

The vid below is a long and highly technical analysis. Our Atheist friends claim they follow the scientific evidence. Well, here it is.

Do you remember graphing on the x and y-axis? The Mandelbrot Set can be graphed. It looks like the special shape of 2 circles, where one goes around the other. If you notice, there are smaller circles, each with yellow roots. When one zooms in, the same circle orbiting another circle appears. This process can be repeated to infinity. What does this tell us?

It tells us that our secular, evolutionist friends have no explanation for the evidence before our eyes. They have no explanation because the only explanation is the existence and properties of numbers prove that Godexists and his mind is infinite and beautiful.

A secular, evolutionary mathematician and Atheist, Dr. Eugene Wigner addressed this in his article The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences. His conclusion:

The miracle of the appropriateness of the language of mathematics for the formulation of the laws of physics is a wonderful gift which we neither understand nor deserve.

Let me repeat that. The Atheist scientist cannot deny the miracle which are numbers and their application! In fact, 2 miracles emerge in the study of numbers and their properties:

1. The physical universe obeys mathematical laws.
2. Human beings can discover those laws.

The secular, humanist camp cannot make sense of these observations. They cannot account for the existence and properties of numbers or mathematical truths.

The existence of mathematics (which is the concept of quantity) proves God exists because concepts require a mind and numbers existed before man existed. Things like the Mandelbrot set are not a human invention but a human discovery. We discovered this infinite set when computers were used to solve a simple equation over a very large number range and graphed the results.


Questions Secular Evolutionist Atheists Cannot Answer

1. Did law of math evolve?

The secular world cannot apply their idol, evolution, to the observation because they know numbers are a concept and did not evolve. (Our understanding of numbers changed over time. But that is not evolution of numbers).

The secular world cannot explain why there are so many swirls in math and nature, such as the The Mandelbrot Set, higher power variations of the set, rose buds and even galaxies.

1. Why do fractals occur both in math and the physical universe? Fractals are a repeating design that continues to infinity. Examples include lightening, snow flakes, ferns and cystal formation.

1. Why does the physical world obey mathematical laws?

We Christians know the answer. Math is a reflection of God's thoughts. The universe is upheld by the mind of God. Hebrews 1:3. Colossians 1:17.

 

[Matthias]

Don’t worry about @Matthias.

Please don’t worry about me @Mancunian. Don’t worry about any follower of Jesus and the apostles. We’ll be vindicated when the he returns. The future is ours.

 

[Mancunian]

Spoken like a true atheist. Thank you.

The God / my God whom you don’t believe exists will continue to bless you, in the general way that he blesses all human beings. You will, however, still have to face the judgment.

Tell that to all those who have endured tsunamis earthquakes and hurricanes.

All those who have lost loved one's in, as you put it "God's reaction to the disobedience of man"

You're contradicting yourself again Matthias.

 

[Matthias]

Tell that to all those who have endured tsunamis earthquakes and hurricanes.

All those who have lost loved one's in, as you put it "God's reaction to the disobedience of man"

You're contradicting yourself again Matthias.

I haven’t contradicted myself. I’ve aligned myself with the scriptures. You’ve made yourself an enemy of God and that comes through in your speech.

 

[Mancunian]

The vid below is a long and highly technical analysis. Our Atheist friends claim they follow the scientific evidence. Well, here it is.

Do you remember graphing on the x and y-axis? The Mandelbrot Set can be graphed. It looks like the special shape of 2 circles, where one goes around the other. If you notice, there are smaller circles, each with yellow roots. When one zooms in, the same circle orbiting another circle appears. This process can be repeated to infinity. What does this tell us?

It tells us that our secular, evolutionist friends have no explanation for the evidence before our eyes. They have no explanation because the only explanation is the existence and properties of numbers prove that Godexists and his mind is infinite and beautiful.

A secular, evolutionary mathematician and Atheist, Dr. Eugene Wigner addressed this in his article The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences. His conclusion:

Let me repeat that. The Atheist scientist cannot deny the miracle which are numbers and their application! In fact, 2 miracles emerge in the study of numbers and their properties:

1. The physical universe obeys mathematical laws.
2. Human beings can discover those laws.

The secular, humanist camp cannot make sense of these observations. They cannot account for the existence and properties of numbers or mathematical truths.

The existence of mathematics (which is the concept of quantity) proves God exists because concepts require a mind and numbers existed before man existed. Things like the Mandelbrot set are not a human invention but a human discovery. We discovered this infinite set when computers were used to solve a simple equation over a very large number range and graphed the results.


Questions Secular Evolutionist Atheists Cannot Answer

1. Did law of math evolve?

The secular world cannot apply their idol, evolution, to the observation because they know numbers are a concept and did not evolve. (Our understanding of numbers changed over time. But that is not evolution of numbers).

The secular world cannot explain why there are so many swirls in math and nature, such as the The Mandelbrot Set, higher power variations of the set, rose buds and even galaxies.

1. Why do fractals occur both in math and the physical universe? Fractals are a repeating design that continues to infinity. Examples include lightening, snow flakes, ferns and cystal formation.

1. Why does the physical world obey mathematical laws?

We Christians know the answer. Math is a reflection of God's thoughts. The universe is upheld by the mind of God. Hebrews 1:3. Colossians 1:17.

Thanks! I suspect we can have good conversations because you’re a free thinker. IMO, too many here ‘tow the party line‘ without giving due consideration of ideas that don’t 100% align with their own.

To elaborate, I‘m fairly disgusted with many here in how disrespectfully they treat fellow believers - including me and other minority viewpoints. They probably treat you better than some one who ‘only’ agrees with their theology 95%. We are supposed to be known to the world by how we love each other and we do a piss poor job , are a disgrace to the gracious Lord we claim to follow.

Did you start a thread to introduce yourself? (I don’t want to hijack this thread’s topic.)

Yes I did.
Probably a month ago now.

 

[Mancunian]

The vid below is a long and highly technical analysis. Our Atheist friends claim they follow the scientific evidence. Well, here it is.

Do you remember graphing on the x and y-axis? The Mandelbrot Set can be graphed. It looks like the special shape of 2 circles, where one goes around the other. If you notice, there are smaller circles, each with yellow roots. When one zooms in, the same circle orbiting another circle appears. This process can be repeated to infinity. What does this tell us?

It tells us that our secular, evolutionist friends have no explanation for the evidence before our eyes. They have no explanation because the only explanation is the existence and properties of numbers prove that Godexists and his mind is infinite and beautiful.

A secular, evolutionary mathematician and Atheist, Dr. Eugene Wigner addressed this in his article The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences. His conclusion:

Let me repeat that. The Atheist scientist cannot deny the miracle which are numbers and their application! In fact, 2 miracles emerge in the study of numbers and their properties:

1. The physical universe obeys mathematical laws.
2. Human beings can discover those laws.

The secular, humanist camp cannot make sense of these observations. They cannot account for the existence and properties of numbers or mathematical truths.

The existence of mathematics (which is the concept of quantity) proves God exists because concepts require a mind and numbers existed before man existed. Things like the Mandelbrot set are not a human invention but a human discovery. We discovered this infinite set when computers were used to solve a simple equation over a very large number range and graphed the results.


Questions Secular Evolutionist Atheists Cannot Answer

1. Did law of math evolve?

The secular world cannot apply their idol, evolution, to the observation because they know numbers are a concept and did not evolve. (Our understanding of numbers changed over time. But that is not evolution of numbers).

The secular world cannot explain why there are so many swirls in math and nature, such as the The Mandelbrot Set, higher power variations of the set, rose buds and even galaxies.

1. Why do fractals occur both in math and the physical universe? Fractals are a repeating design that continues to infinity. Examples include lightening, snow flakes, ferns and cystal formation.

1. Why does the physical world obey mathematical laws?

We Christians know the answer. Math is a reflection of God's thoughts. The universe is upheld by the mind of God. Hebrews 1:3. Colossians 1:17.

I'll watch tomorrow, it's getting late and my wife is giving me the side eye.

 

[Mancunian]

I haven’t contradicted myself. I’ve aligned myself with the scriptures. You’ve made yourself an enemy of God and that comes through in your speech.

Which God?

 

[Matthias]

Which God?

You‘ve read the Bible. You know the one God I’m talking about. (And even if you didn’t, the “my God” was me laying my cards on the table; dead giveaway.)

Yahweh. The God of Israel. Everything else is idols.

 

[David in NJ]

Funnily enough, the "one" God.

What does that mean?

 

[David in NJ]

Yachid or Echad

 

[Matthias]

Yachid or Echad

God is never called yachid in scripture. You know that. We’ve already discussed it. The atheist doesn’t care.

 

[David in NJ]

God is never called yachid in scripture. You know that. We’ve already discussed it. The atheist doesn’t care.

Is the new member cahn an atheist?

 

[David in NJ]

And on top of that you're happy that murderers and rapists and paedophiles will be in heaven, because they've been born again.
Anyone who is good with that is a disgusting human being...
I have the 'Moral' high ground here, and if any of you want to argue against that feel free.

It's awful.
It's not right.
It's going against all of our ideas of morality.

Decent free thinkers can't support that, that's why your religion will die a death.

What religion?

 

[Matthias]

Is the new member cahn an atheist?

I don’t think so. He’s registered as “Other Faith”. @Mancunian is an atheist.