domenic said:
Com 1: 16-17 reads, "Fingers moving to fast across key board." I have others also. Just goes to show, some people never read things.
COL 1:16-17
Col.1:15 does not say Jesus was the firstborn
"OF" all creation. It says He is the firstborn
"OVER" all creation. While you strive to take credit away from Him, remember He is "over" you. As the other verses you quote say, in Him (Jesus)
ALL things consist. This includes you. How could all things consist in a created being?
It also says He is the firstborn from the dead. As others have been patiently reminding you, firstborn is a title that denotes headship and authority. The word was used because the readers understood its meaning and therefore understood that Jesus is our leader. You admit that all things were created by Him and through Him, but if He was created as you say, then all things were not created through Him. He would be an exception. But John said in ch.1:3, without Him,
nothing was made that was made. This would also be false if He was made. And you claim that others are in denial?
We give Him the credit He is due, that credit which is the glory he had with His Father from the beginning and that which the Father honors Him with and wants us to also honor Him. I know you are trying to honor God, but the Father is saying "honor My Son". God is not an egotist. He exists in a way that demonstrates humility. Therefore it is right that the existence of God shows several traits that can only be manifested in several persons. In His love, Howie