Yah, arn't you in the Royal Priesthood mentioned in I Peter 1:9?
Or are you still Levitical?
That just sounds like quite the title to appropriate to oneself, that's all.
No, I am not under OT law.
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Yah, arn't you in the Royal Priesthood mentioned in I Peter 1:9?
Or are you still Levitical?
Most of us are Gentiles...few in this part of the country are from the Levitical tribe.That just sounds like quite the title to appropriate to oneself, that's all.
No, I am not under OT law.
And let's not forget those who are indoctrinated by religious theology...and those who are ignorant of His Word who are destroyed for lack of knowledge.False Prophets keep you cozy in the Wide Gate to Death -
Read Matthew 7:13-15 in context.
So do False Apostles, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers.
And lukewarm christians like it so.
Religion can lead you into physical and spiritual death. The Pharisees and Saduccees are a good example of those having a form of godliness but denied the power thereof.No need to 'discuss' - I already know by the Alpha and Omega, as I commented earlier -
I'll stick with who Jesus said the false prophets are, which is clearly spelled out in Matthew 7:13-15.
They will lead you to physical death - which I call the Death-Cults of Christianity.
This thread is not about false prophets but about true prophets of God.I'll stick with who the Creator of the Universe said the false prophets are, which is clearly spelled out in Matthew 7:13-15.
1 Samuel 10: 9-13So what is the difference between prophetic leanings and the office of a prophet? Were the kings considered to be in the prophetic office?
I think about Jonah when I think of prophet, because he had to tell the Ninevites to repent or be destroyed. Then Samuel was not King, but he was in the office of prophet to anoint Saul and David.
I don't know about that, he's sounding a little off to me?You are a pretty awesome evangelist. Welcome to CB.
During the Old Testament, clearly the Prophets of the Bible all had very distinct and varying characters, to the point that I question if there is a standard that can be defined in regard to their personalities, outside of God choosing specific men, for a specific purpose. That is, Jeremiah may not have been the right man for Daniel's position, or maybe Isaiah would not have been as effective as Ezekiel, under the same circumstances, etc...? I don't believe that David was as meek as Moses, nor was Jonah as resolute as Ezra or Nehemiah (if the latter two can be called prophets).Yes. I would say they were all leaders. A man in his own home has the responsibility of acting as a leader, a pastor is a leader, a worship leader is a ... well, a leader. Authorities in our society are leaders. Parents are leaders.
When you are leading people with the instruction of God's word, you are being a leader, whether or not anyone likes it. You are leading them to the truth. Whether or not you're spending a lot of time laying on your side for over a year eating bread made from beans and pulses (Ezekiel 4), or hiding your underwear under a rock (Jeremiah 13) , or preaching naked (Isaiah 20), or the most important leader of all, getting kicked out of town because you sent demons into all of their pigs. (Mark 5)
But we also have Proverbs 16:32 "Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." David seemed pretty chilled out but it was the spirit of God that was with him that made him successful in going out and bringing back a box of a couple hundred you-know-whats, which is pretty gruesome in my opinion. I believe that it was the Lord that gave him his strength. (Have you ever just had the courage rise up in you to where you knew to do something at the right time and you didn't really know where it came from?)
There's a lot of gruesome in there. There's a reason they don't finish the story of David and Goliath in Sunday school.
They were ridgy didge, fair dinkum, no sh.t. What do I mean? They came clean when they saw their mistakes; no ifs or buts....just truthful about their sh.t. ....They repented from the heart and refused to dance in the skating rink of evil. It is exactly the same quality God promises us if we come clean......cuz luke warm means being spat out!What do you think were the qualities of the Biblical prophets that you think made them great leaders?
For example, David was a man after God's own heart. Was it anything in them that contributed to their successful leadership or was it simply that they had the Holy Spirit to lead them?
During the Old Testament, clearly the Prophets of the Bible all had very distinct and varying characters, to the point that I question if there is a standard that can be defined in regard to their personalities, outside of God choosing specific men, for a specific purpose. That is, Jeremiah may not have been the right man for Daniel's position, or maybe Isaiah would not have been as effective as Ezekiel, under the same circumstances, etc...? I don't believe that David was as meek as Moses, nor was Jonah as resolute as Ezra or Nehemiah (if the latter two can be called prophets).
Within this dispensation of Christ, there is the gift of prophecy, that apparently some people's faith allow them to acquire it, where others don't - it sounds open to all believers depending on their faith.
1 Corinthians 12:28-31
12:28. And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. 29. All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? 30. All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? 31. But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.
Ephesians 4:11-12
4:11. And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12. for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
The reason there is a $21 bill is because there is a $20 bill.False Prophets keep you cozy in the Wide Gate to Death -
Read Matthew 7:13-15 in context.
So do False Apostles, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers.
And lukewarm christians like it so.
King Saul disobeyed God, threw a spear at Savid1 Samuel 10: 9-13
9 Then it happened, when he turned his back to leave Samuel, that God changed his heart; and all those signs came about on that day. 10 When they came there to the hill, behold, a group of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God rushed upon him, so that he prophesied among them. 11 And it came about, when all who previously knew him saw that he was indeed prophesying with the prophets, that the people said to one another, “What is this that has happened to the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets?” 12 And a man from there responded and said, “And who is their father?” Therefore it became a saying: “Is Saul also among the prophets?” 13 When he had finished prophesying, he came to the high place.
Saul was not a prophet...Samuel was a prophet who anointed Saul as the 1st King of Israel. In the Book of Samuel you read where Saul became extremely jealous of David and even tried to kill him.1 Samuel 10: 9-13
9 Then it happened, when he turned his back to leave Samuel, that God changed his heart; and all those signs came about on that day. 10 When they came there to the hill, behold, a group of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God rushed upon him, so that he prophesied among them. 11 And it came about, when all who previously knew him saw that he was indeed prophesying with the prophets, that the people said to one another, “What is this that has happened to the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets?” 12 And a man from there responded and said, “And who is their father?” Therefore it became a saying: “Is Saul also among the prophets?” 13 When he had finished prophesying, he came to the high place.
King Saul disobeyed God, threw a spear at Savid
Saul was not a prophet...Samuel was a prophet who anointed Saul as the 1st King of Israel. In the Book of Samuel you read where Saul became extremely jealous of David and even tried to kill him.
1 Samuel 18 (KJV)
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¹⁰ And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.
¹¹ And Saul cast the javelin; for he said, I will smite David even to the wall with it. And David avoided out of his presence twice.
1 Samuel 19 (KJV)
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²⁰ And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied.
²¹ And when it was told Saul, he sent other messengers, and they prophesied likewise. And Saul sent messengers again the third time, and they prophesied also.
²² Then went he also to Ramah, and came to a great well that is in Sechu: and he asked and said, Where are Samuel and David? And one said, Behold, they be at Naioth in Ramah.
²³ And he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah.
²⁴ And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?
It is so important to read things in context.
Truth, and to be honest, while everyone should desire to prophesy, lots of people want the gift of prophecy but very few want to live as a prophet. So that's another question, that I intend to look into today and look in the concordance and measure up what's being written, because prophesy can also mean speaking.Jeremiah was thrown into a well, Isaiah was sawn in half, they told people the truth given them by God, to God's people, and they were hated for it.
Some of the meanest people I've ever met say they love Jesus.
To want to be a prophet, you'd either have a death wish, or love God.
Or both.
Love god, love each other, keep it simple, don't be stupid.
Yes, it would stand to reason that this would be a pre-requisite to some degree or another - as God cannot move or inspire someone who does not believe in His power or presence.Faith is a very good point.
The appellation of Prophet is not reserved for those who had a life-long ministry of God inspired prophesying. In the Hebrew TaNaKh, as you probably know, from Joshua to Kings, these are considered the former prophets. Simply meaning, the term is broad. Not to mention the Minor Prophets, who, although their written legacy appears to be brief (Jonah's tenure was shorter than Saul's), are still regarded as Biblical Prophets.King Saul disobeyed God, threw a spear at Savid
Saul was not a prophet...Samuel was a prophet who anointed Saul as the 1st King of Israel. In the Book of Samuel you read where Saul became extremely jealous of David and even tried to kill him.
1 Samuel 18 (KJV)
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¹⁰ And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.
¹¹ And Saul cast the javelin; for he said, I will smite David even to the wall with it. And David avoided out of his presence twice.
1 Samuel 19 (KJV)
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²⁰ And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied.
²¹ And when it was told Saul, he sent other messengers, and they prophesied likewise. And Saul sent messengers again the third time, and they prophesied also.
²² Then went he also to Ramah, and came to a great well that is in Sechu: and he asked and said, Where are Samuel and David? And one said, Behold, they be at Naioth in Ramah.
²³ And he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah.
²⁴ And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?
It is so important to read things in context.
I agree to disagree.The appellation of Prophet is not reserved for those who had a life-long ministry of God inspired prophesying. In the Hebrew TaNaKh, as you probably know, from Joshua to Kings, these are considered the former prophets. Simply meaning, the term is broad. Not to mention the Minor Prophets, who, although their written legacy appears to be brief (Jonah's tenure was shorter than Saul's), are still regarded as Biblical Prophets.
Saul, without controversy, prophesied under the auspices of God, as did Balaam, even despite his original nefarious intent.
Sorry H2S, but you are attempting to define the one's that God's has chosen for a specific purpose, with that of having good character as a pre-requisite. For, who inspired Balaam's donkey to speak?